JUST ACCEPT IT!!! THE PS3 is NOT More Powerful for Games!!!!

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

septicvirus

Its too close to call. Especially with devs making 360 multiplats first befroe the PS3 version.Cedmln

Huhh?? If the PS3 was more powerful it would show on most multi-plat games. Please don't use the "it's harder to develop for" excusebecause TEH CELL is SUPPOSED to be an advantage.

Also, games realeased months or years later and look slightly better don't count. Even though sometimes the PS3 multiplats released months later still look and play worse. As a matter of fact, I think there are some games that were develops with the PS3 as the lead platform which STILL end up looking/playing better on the 360.

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How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

Sully28

PLEASE DON'T BRING UP THE GRAPHICS OF GAMES THAT ARE NOT EXISTANT YET. It is not fair to compare that to what is currently available for each system.

I saw Lair today at Fry's and that game looked pretty awesome. The environment looked hella expansive but not so much up close. GT5 also looks pretty good compared to Forza 2 so I think the PS3 is pretty powerful.PikaPichu

PLEASE DON'T BRING UP THE GRAPHICS OF GAMES THAT ARE NOT EXISTANT YET. It is not fair to compare that to what is currently available for each system.

It doesn't bother me that they are the same power wise. The ps3 is going to be cheaper in the long run for me and has more exclusives that I really want coming down the line.

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

septicvirus

You are one of the people who don't think before they speak!!! Please do me a favor and compare the two systems starting their lounch side by side!!! You will be suprised!

its been one year. 360 has had more time. wait at least 1 more year before starting to say that they cant winhustler_151

Exactly,why should the public buy a more expensive product with a promise saying "just wait, it will be better than the cheaper competition - its not our fault we are behind"

If that's your argument, then the PS3 will ALWAYS be 1 year behind the 360 in terms of graphics quality. UNLESS you are naive enough to think that the 360 will be the first system to ever reach its peak within the first 5 years.

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]I saw Lair today at Fry's and that game looked pretty awesome. The environment looked hella expansive but not so much up close. GT5 also looks pretty good compared to Forza 2 so I think the PS3 is pretty powerful.septicvirus

PLEASE DON'T BRING UP THE GRAPHICS OF GAMES THAT ARE NOT EXISTANT YET. It is not fair to compare that to what is currently available for each system.

Um okay... so then let's just say Lair then?

[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

Playstation97

You are one of the people who don't think before they speak!!! Please do me a favor and compare the two systems starting their lounch side by side!!! You will be suprised!

PLEASE LIVE IN THE PRESENT. why is it acceptable for the consumer to SUFFER because SONY chose to launch their system a year later. they should have made their system a year better!

its been one year. 360 has had more time. wait at least 1 more year before starting to say that they cant winhustler_151

I agree and will give the PS3 until Nov 23 to produce a better looking game then Gears of War. Good luck :)

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[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]I saw Lair today at Fry's and that game looked pretty awesome. The environment looked hella expansive but not so much up close. GT5 also looks pretty good compared to Forza 2 so I think the PS3 is pretty powerful.PikaPichu

PLEASE DON'T BRING UP THE GRAPHICS OF GAMES THAT ARE NOT EXISTANT YET. It is not fair to compare that to what is currently available for each system.

Um okay... so then let's just say Lair then?

OK?? so your argument is that LAIR looks and plays (ie framrate) better than anything currently on the 360???

[QUOTE="hustler_151"]its been one year. 360 has had more time. wait at least 1 more year before starting to say that they cant winJimmyT2

I agree and will give the PS3 until Nov 23 to produce a better looking game then Gears of War. Good luck :)

So the PS3 will continually be held to the standards of the - 360 one year ago??

C'mon people open your eyes!It is Sony's duty - if they are going to make us wait another year for their system - to make it worthwhile!!!

I think it is funny when people say you can't use the "it's harder to develop for argument." You know why, because it genuinely is harder, actually much harder to develop for. Unlike the XBox and 360 the PS3 doesn't have a graphics API that has been being under constant revision since 1996 and being used by developers for just as long(DirectX). Also we are seeing a paradigm shift in the way that we program, possibly the biggest shift in programming ever since we move away from a mostly linear programming thread and move to multi and parrellel threading.dlp21

So this is what we are paying extra $$$ for?? please don't say teh blu-ray movies...

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[QUOTE="hustler_151"]its been one year. 360 has had more time. wait at least 1 more year before starting to say that they cant winsepticvirus

I agree and will give the PS3 until Nov 23 to produce a better looking game then Gears of War. Good luck :)

So the PS3 will continually be held to the standards of the - 360 one year ago??

C'mon people open your eyes!It is Sony's duty - if they are going to make us wait another year for their system - to make it worthwhile!!!

I agree it's not fair but I think it is up to the task regardless. I very much doubt the PS3 will have anything significantly better looking then Gears of War by Nov 23.

[QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

septicvirus

You are one of the people who don't think before they speak!!! Please do me a favor and compare the two systems starting their lounch side by side!!! You will be suprised!

PLEASE LIVE IN THE PRESENT. why is it acceptable for the consumer to SUFFER because SONY chose to launch their system a year later. they should have made their system a year better!

I have a PS3....I'm not suffering!! What are you talking about? I'll wait untill games come out and than I buy them and play them just like I did it before. I live in the present but you have to know that developers been working on the Xbox 360 much longer than on the PS3. It's obvious that they know the 360 better than the PS3. We don't know how much more powerfull the PS3 is than the 360 but you have no cule either. Or do you work for a major developing studio and work on both systems?? because if you state something like that you must know the technology preatty well right??? You are not stupid enough to just say that out of pure fanboyism right??? I trust that you know what the PS3 is fully capable of and what the 360 is fully capable of!! So could you let us know in tecnhical termas and at the same time support your argument with something more than pure fanboy logic?? thank you!

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]I saw Lair today at Fry's and that game looked pretty awesome. The environment looked hella expansive but not so much up close. GT5 also looks pretty good compared to Forza 2 so I think the PS3 is pretty powerful.septicvirus

PLEASE DON'T BRING UP THE GRAPHICS OF GAMES THAT ARE NOT EXISTANT YET. It is not fair to compare that to what is currently available for each system.

Um okay... so then let's just say Lair then?

OK?? so your argument is that LAIR looks and plays (ie framrate) better than anything currently on the 360???

It looked pretty nice from what I saw at Fry's. Oh and don't put words in my mouth. :P

How about this.

Last year (basically its first year) for 360 when Gears came out, oh my gawd best graphics evar, PS3 can't do this.

First year for PS3, UT3 comes into play and already looks better than Gears.

Hm something isn't right here.

Two different games for Epic using hte same engine, released within the first year of each console, but hte PS3 gets a better looking game than the360 did.

Can't say "More dev time". That will only apply to the 360 version of UT3.

first of all the 2 tflops of the ps3 is wrong and for that matter the 1 tflop of the x360. similar cards from nvidia and ati are around 200 and 400 respectively thougth the cell is unique and is more powerful then core 2 duos when it comes it flops..

even theoretically the ps3 is not that much more powerful and considering that the devolpers take more time devoloping for the ps3 (and many have said that the x360 has better tools it should be clear that the x360 will have more graphically better games.

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

septicvirus

Check out the 1up skate comparison you'll notice(on ps3 version) SLIGHTLY better textures and SLIGHTLY better AA so it coming along. But UT3 looks nice and GT5 PROLOGE look better than forza 2 and PGR4. So I'd say PS3 games will be looking better pretty soon.

How about this.

Last year (basically its first year) for 360 when Gears came out, oh my gawd best graphics evar, PS3 can't do this.

First year for PS3, UT3 comes into play and already looks better than Gears.

Hm something isn't right here.

Two different games for Epic using hte same engine, released within the first year of each console, but hte PS3 gets a better looking game than the360 did.

Can't say "More dev time". That will only apply to the 360 version of UT3.

Cedmln

UT3 on PS3 will look better then Gears? I don't know about that. When it's released I will know but given the nature of the game and the limited RAM on consoles I can't see it looking as sharp.

How about this.

Last year (basically its first year) for 360 when Gears came out, oh my gawd best graphics evar, PS3 can't do this.

First year for PS3, UT3 comes into play and already looks better than Gears.

Hm something isn't right here.

Two different games for Epic using hte same engine, released within the first year of each console, but hte PS3 gets a better looking game than the360 did.

Can't say "More dev time". That will only apply to the 360 version of UT3.

Cedmln

WOW!! You played UT3 for the PS3???!!

So it looks better than Gears did back when??? REALLY? WHEN DID THEY RELEASE THAT GAME OR THE DEMO???

first of all the 2 tflops of the ps3 is wrong and for that matter the 1 tflop of the x360. similar cards from nvidia and ati are around 200 and 400 respectively thougth the cell is unique and is more powerful then core 2 duos when it comes it flops..

even theoretically the ps3 is not that much more powerful and considering that the devolpers take more time devoloping for the ps3 (and many have said that the x360 has better tools it should be clear that the x360 will have more graphically better games.

ppau08223

UMMHH... I don't really understand your first paragraph - but I think you may be on to something....

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septicvirus

WOW!! You played UT3 for the PS3???!!

So it looks better than Gears did back when??? REALLY? WHEN DID THEY RELEASE THAT GAME OR THE DEMO???

...because there are no videos of the game running on PS3 hardware. :roll:

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How about this.

Last year (basically its first year) for 360 when Gears came out, oh my gawd best graphics evar, PS3 can't do this.

First year for PS3, UT3 comes into play and already looks better than Gears.

Hm something isn't right here.

Two different games for Epic using hte same engine, released within the first year of each console, but hte PS3 gets a better looking game than the360 did.

Can't say "More dev time". That will only apply to the 360 version of UT3.

septicvirus

WOW!! You played UT3 for the PS3???!!

So it looks better than Gears did back when??? REALLY? WHEN DID THEY RELEASE THAT GAME OR THE DEMO???

First!!! Calm down!! Second, Epic themselfs stated that UT3 looks better than Gears of War! Third, answer my question abovekid!!

Its too close to call. Especially with devs making 360 multiplats first befroe the PS3 version.Cedmln

No doubt. And I am pretty sure many in the gaming business have said they are very impressed with what they've seen from PS3 games. And its only been less than a year.

TC. How long will it take you to realize that just because one system comes out early doesn't mean all of the others will/need to run on all cylindars right away? Consoles have ALWAYS taken time to get going.

[QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="Playstation97"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

Playstation97

You are one of the people who don't think before they speak!!! Please do me a favor and compare the two systems starting their lounch side by side!!! You will be suprised!

PLEASE LIVE IN THE PRESENT. why is it acceptable for the consumer to SUFFER because SONY chose to launch their system a year later. they should have made their system a year better!

I have a PS3....I'm not suffering!! What are you talking about? I'll wait untill games come out and than I buy them and play them just like I did it before. I live in the present but you have to know that developers been working on the Xbox 360 much longer than on the PS3. It's obvious that they know the 360 better than the PS3. We don't know how much more powerfull the PS3 is than the 360 but you have no cule either. Or do you work for a major developing studio and work on both systems?? because if you state something like that you must know the technology preatty well right??? You are not stupid enough to just say that out of pure fanboyism right??? I trust that you know what the PS3 is fully capable of and what the 360 is fully capable of!! So could you let us know in tecnhical termas and at the same time support your argument with something more than pure fanboy logic?? thank you!

Sorry but being that you frequent this gaming forum --- You suffer every time a PS3 game hyped AAA or even AA FLOPS. The only reason these games are prematurely hyped is because cows have such faith that the games will eventually justify the purchase.

You are one of the people who don't think before they speak!!! Please do me a favor and compare the two systems starting their lounch side by side!!! You will be suprised!

Playstation97

PS3 does have more juice in it than 360 though, just accept it.iMacBot

What kind of juice? How does it impact the game developing process in order to produce better games?

OH WAIT!!! You must be refering to the CELL! The NUMBER ONE AND ONLY reason people claim that PS3 games don't look better than 360 games yet.

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farrell2k

UT3 is not out yet. How can we dermine which looks better, if we can't directly compare the two? Oh, wait. You mean screenshots? :lol: I can pretty much guarantee that you won't see much or any antialiasing on the ps3 version. It'll ultimately be the worse looking port.

Sure. I mean we all know there hasn't been a video of the game running on PS3 hardware, everyone impressions are the it doesn't look better than gears, and of course it will be the worse version of the game becuse oblivion doesn't look or run better on the PS3 when compared to the 360 version.

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[QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

How about this.

Last year (basically its first year) for 360 when Gears came out, oh my gawd best graphics evar, PS3 can't do this.

First year for PS3, UT3 comes into play and already looks better than Gears.

Hm something isn't right here.

Two different games for Epic using hte same engine, released within the first year of each console, but hte PS3 gets a better looking game than the360 did.

Can't say "More dev time". That will only apply to the 360 version of UT3.

Playstation97

WOW!! You played UT3 for the PS3???!!

So it looks better than Gears did back when??? REALLY? WHEN DID THEY RELEASE THAT GAME OR THE DEMO???

First!!! Calm down!! Second, Epic themselfs stated that UT3 looks better than Gears of War! Third, answer my question abovekid!!

The PC version or console versions? Anyway developers like to sell their new games and would hardly say something bad about them. The main reasons I think the PS3/360 versions will not look as good as Gears is the RAM limitations on consoles. With Gears the 360 was the lead platform and the game was built with these limitations in mind. With UT3 the PC is the lead platform and consoles may have to sacrifice texture detail or framerate on some of the larger levels so the PC version isn't gimped in terms of level design.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

How about this.

Last year (basically its first year) for 360 when Gears came out, oh my gawd best graphics evar, PS3 can't do this.

First year for PS3, UT3 comes into play and already looks better than Gears.

Hm something isn't right here.

Two different games for Epic using hte same engine, released within the first year of each console, but hte PS3 gets a better looking game than the360 did.

Can't say "More dev time". That will only apply to the 360 version of UT3.

farrell2k

UT3 is not out yet. How can we dermine which looks better, if we can't directly compare the two? Oh, wait. You mean screenshots? :lol: I can pretty much guarantee that you won't see much or any antialiasing on the ps3 version. It'll ultimately be the worse looking port.

Let's get even more real here. Resistance, a PS3 launch title was not so far off of Gears. The game is quite the step into next-gen for a launch title. You can't deny that.

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You are one of the people who don't think before they speak!!! Please do me a favor and compare the two systems starting their lounch side by side!!! You will be suprised!

lowe0

True. Sony fanyboys give Sony a pass for using a gpu inferior to the 360's and STILL not upgrading even though they MADE US wait an extra year so they could FORCE FEED us their Blu-Ray format. Why should'nt they pay? Looking at Microsoft - they are paying what $1-2 billion for their hardware reliability corner cutting (which they easily could've avoided if they would've chose to use more expensive parts)

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

septicvirus

well both systems have their strengths and weaknesses. we will just have to wait a goodfour years to see each systems full potential. Dont judge a system just yet.

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How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

imapieceofwood

well both systems have their strengths and weaknesses. we will just have to wait a goodfour years to see each systems full potential. Dont judge a system just yet.

So it takes a good 4 years for a more powerful more expensive system to finally outperform its counterpart? Wow, it just doesn't seem worth it to me...

Well, right now I'd give the nod to the 360, but we'll just have to see what lies ahead in the future.

KillZone 2

now where's your proof?

KillZone 2

now where's your proof?

da1on2

very lame. where is your proof?

By your logic. Once KZ2 is realeased it won't matter just as long as Lemmings can point to an unreleased game that looks better.

[QUOTE="hustler_151"]its been one year. 360 has had more time. wait at least 1 more year before starting to say that they cant winsepticvirus

Exactly,why should the public buy a more expensive product with a promise saying "just wait, it will be better than the cheaper competition - its not our fault we are behind"

If that's your argument, then the PS3 will ALWAYS be 1 year behind the 360 in terms of graphics quality. UNLESS you are naive enough to think that the 360 will be the first system to ever reach its peak within the first 5 years.

that's not how it works. the gap does not remain constant over time. the gap is closed eventually. as developers progress in getting more results out of the hardware, the 'power' is realized in successively smaller leaps.

How long into this generation do we have to go for everyone to accept it.

Yes the PS3 may be able to theoretically calculate more floating point tetrabytes (or whatever you want to say), but how many years of better looking games on the 360 need to go by before we accept the PS3 marketing stafffor simply being great at their job???

septicvirus