Just an example of dumbing down for consoles.....

Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

Thats not consolization.

The series has just failed to evolve since the first game, being console or PC has nothing to do with it and plenty of other franchises fall into this.

actually black ops is added a lot more than anything IW ever did :S its got a fairly deep customisation system which is way more robust than the IW one imo.Does away with some silly challenges aswell.

CoD aint really been dumbed down its gotten more advanced in a few terms :S

COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

omg if you think that is bad look at sw as a whole. even dumbed down has been dumbed down! how was it even possible?

COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

-Snooze-

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COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

shakmaster13

All sucked. Rubbish overdone era.

Yo, PC Gamers, you have the Mod community to fix that stuff.

Call of Duty failed to evolve because Activision demands a new one every single year. I know more than one studio makes the games, but still. It has very little to do with consoles.savebattery

Ever since the series came to consoles it has gone downhill.

Consolization.

Oh dear, another upset PC gamer wayning about COD...

Thats not consolization.

The series has just failed to evolve since the first game, being console or PC has nothing to do with it and plenty of other franchises fall into this.

Snagal123

exactly. you can't blame consoles if the series has gone downhill. would Mario become better if it went to PC? highly doubt it,

Games are allowed to evolve. Developers often change gameplay from one game to another to keep things fresh, it draw in a new audience, and to make a better product. If you don't like it, go back to playing the old games.

Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

DudeNtheRoom

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Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

Funconsole

Lolwut? That is the work of devs dumbing down games for the casuals and idiots who play on consoles (note: I am not saying all people who play on console are idiots). Consolization.

[QUOTE="Funconsole"][QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

Remmib

Lolwut? That is the work of devs dumbing down games for the casuals and idiots who play on consoles (note: I am not saying all people who play on console are idiots). Consolization.

That's why pc has the largest casual fanbase, right?

COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

-Snooze-

Can't say I agree there. Throwing potatoes in a tutorial mission because the Russian army couldn't afford real grenades for training>lame obstacle course. 4 had a good campaign, but it all went downhill after that. WAW was decent(minus the enemies having grenade launchers for hands), and MW2 was just hilariously lame in comparison to all other COD campaigns before it.

Multiplayer, I'd have to agree. I can't speak for 1 or UO, but I fail to see what makes COD2 "omgawesomrrawr" other than taking a lot of skill. Meh, I did buy it like two years ago, so maybe I don't have the nolstalgia effect.

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Games these days oftendevolve. Developers often change gameplay from one game to another to attempt to keep things fresh, often failing, it draw in a new dumber audience, and to make a more mainstream (for idiots and kids) product. If you don't like it, go back to playing the old games.

Remmib

Fixed that for you.

Twenty years ago, games were cheap and often had punishing difficulty. That has evolved over time, making games easier in a lot cases, but also improving the game play at the same time.

Developers have to consider profit when making games these days. That means trying to make their game interesting to more than just the hardcore crowd.

Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

DudeNtheRoom

:roll:

are you trying to claim that COD 1 and 2 had great storylines and multiplayer? *shakes head* they are no different then todays cod in the end and dumbing down means that original stuff had to be better and different then the dumbed down stuff.

MW2 multiplayer is far more refined than the original COD and encourages teamwork.

dc337

lol i was like lol

Here is a video of COD multiplayer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wisMFIakmrQ&feature=fvw

A bunch of WWII soldiers running around and shooting each other. MW2 multiplayer is a lot more involved.

I mostly play on the 360 and I could bash consoles from the pc perspective better than 99% of the pc gamers here. Maybe I should offer lessons.

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Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

dc337

yo..you can't seriously mean that.

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[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]

Call of Duty was mostly a PC shooter with a beefy single player and cohesive multiplayer. Then it started gatting popular with the console gamers. Now, it's a shell of a single player game that hasn't changed much over the years except its graphics with some new multiplayer modes that are suppose to be worth buying a whole new game.

Consolation: Fight it!

lawlessx

yo..you can't seriously mean that.

COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

-Snooze-

Call of Duty (PC) had the rush on on Stalingrad, your opinion is invalid.

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[QUOTE="dc337"] Call of duty did not have cohesive multiplayer, it was just a WWII fragfest. The d-day map was pretty fun but it got old after a week. BF1942 was way more fun.

MW2 multiplayer is far more refined than the original COD and encourages teamwork.

I give your attempt at bashing consoles a 2/10, and that is generous.

dc337

yo..you can't seriously mean that.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

-Snooze-

All sucked. Rubbish overdone era.

Have you played any of the three? And how could they be overdone when CoD is what made the WW2 shooter popular?

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"] CoD, UO, and CoD 2 would like to say hi.shakmaster13

All sucked. Rubbish overdone era.

Have you played any of the three? And how could they be overdone when CoD is what made the WW2 shooter popular?

Not to mention the modern war shooter is now more overdone than World War II shooters.

what is your point though? your saying that MW2 encourages team work while the first game that started the series does not. Do you have anything to help support that claim besides a youtube video?

lawlessx

There's no stopping it. So, just go with the flow or quit gaming.

COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

So when games come to consoles they become revolutionary, genre bending, mimic inducing hits like Call of Duty 4 that turn franchises into gold?

With this logic I can't understand why PC only games exist when consolization apparently does so much for gaming.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]what is your point though? your saying that MW2 encourages team work while the first game that started the series does not. Do you have anything to help support that claim besides a youtube video?

dc337

COD multiplayer has always been a casual affair. MW2 multiplayer isnt incredibly popular because it requires a ton of skill... its popular because the average joe can log into a multiplayer match and start snagging kills relatively effortlessly. But at the same time, none of the other CODs were any different.

Call of Duty's single player was never beefy. This is coming from someone who played the original CoD on the PC back when the series started fresh. I'd argue the campaign have improved significantly with more spectacular scripted sequences and more varied set pieces. Now, I'd say there hasn't been much progress since CoD 4, but still, point is the single player offerings of Call of Duty has never been significantly better than it is now.

If theres any aspect of Call of Duty that has ever felt like it suffered for being specifically catered to console gamers it's the multiplayer. Specifically, Modern Warfare 2. But from what I understand Black Ops turned things around a bit.

the single player offerings of Call of Duty has never been significantly better than it is now.vashkey

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COD4 had a better singleplayer then any COD ever ...

Multiplayer too actually. Just a great game.

shakmaster13

I second this!

For me personally I thought CoD4 was one of the probably the worst video games I've ever played. Only Rex Ronan is worse to me, but at least there's some nostalgia for Rex Ronan...

Meh, at least CoD4 created it's own kind of singleplayer campain (that they've copied four times now). The original CoD felt like just another generic WWII shooter back in the day. It was good and have the critical praise but so has every CoD game.

The online wasn't really interesting or fun either.

You could argue the same with PC only games though. The singleplayer in Starcraft 2 is awfully generic and dull compared to the original but that doesn't matter as we all know online is the real interest. Just like CoD today.

Meh, at least CoD4 created it's own kind of singleplayer campain (that they've copied four times now). The original CoD felt like just another generic WWII shooter back in the day. It was good and have the critical praise but so has every CoD game.

The online wasn't really interesting or fun either.

You could argue the same with PC only games though. The singleplayer in Starcraft 2 is awfully generic and dull compared to the original but that doesn't matter as we all know online is the real interest. Just like CoD today.

JLF1

what what? original COD was amazing, it had a great cinematic feel very few other shooters could compete with at the time. But i would argue the COD series of games has only continued to improve on that concept.

EDIT: nm im thinking of cod2... i just looked at some youtube vids to jog my memory and COD1 was kinda generic.

[QUOTE="vashkey"] the single player offerings of Call of Duty has never been significantly better than it is now.shakmaster13

True story bro. Damn, I really miss the old CoD games.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="vashkey"] the single player offerings of Call of Duty has never been significantly better than it is now.Remmib

True story bro. Damn, I really miss the old CoD games.

then go play them.... and i can guarantee they will suck by today's standards and pale in comparison to the new COD games. Nostalgia is fun, but its also a form of delusion.

actually black ops is added a lot more than anything IW ever did :S its got a fairly deep customisation system which is way more robust than the IW one imo.Does away with some silly challenges aswell.

CoD aint really been dumbed down its gotten more advanced in a few terms :S

razgriz_101