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#1 OhSnapitz
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I must say that it's one of the best (and worst) video game experiences you'll ever have. The Graphics and Cinematics are off the chart and the story in unmatched in the VG world. However, I must have spent like 6 hours actually playing the game.. :? I will say that if you a MG fan(like me) you won't find a better experience.. but in all honesty I hope Kojima finally put this puppy to bed.

btw, anyone complaining about this game being selected for Best Graphics... you need to play this title.. This game ****s on 98% of 360 games. But I'd imagine having to install every chapter helps.

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PPl are trying to hard the got goty its over get over it stop crying . MGS4 won goty yah.

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good for you

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#4 II_Seraphim_II
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1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.
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#5 rockguy92
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Still with the "Movie" stuff?
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.

I'm sorry but the game has A LOT of cinematics in it regardless of the justification. Still one of the Best games I ever played..
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please man video games are about playing the game not friggin watching it. i understand mgs is all about the story and its "INCREDIBALLY EPIC" or whatever, i never got into the series, i played mgs 1 and mgs 2 (didnt finish, had to save one night but i had to wait for a cutscene to finish first, mom wanted to watch her soaps, 20 minutes later I said **** it and never played that crap again). the game play was fun, not great at best, but it rarely ever came by, whats worse is as soon as your done a cutscene and take a few steps the stupid codec starts ringing. if your a fan, u musta loved it im sure it deserves all these "GAME" of the year awards, but honestly when I hear how ridiculously long the cutscenes are in mgs 4 i start to wonder if hideo kojima is nothing but a wannabe director who never made it and then conveyed it thru video games. I love the ps3 and Im a cow i wont lie, I hate xbots and 360 in general and the fanboys on here who actually defend that garbage. but mgs 4 is a movie before a video game. i thought about it, and i will be steering clear of the mgs franchise. I hope to god this new shooter hideo is going to develop has just as epic a story but he cuts down the lengths of them significantly. LIKE **** dude.
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[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]please man video games are about playing the game not friggin watching it. i understand mgs is all about the story and its "INCREDIBALLY EPIC" or whatever, i never got into the series, i played mgs 1 and mgs 2 (didnt finish, had to save one night but i had to wait for a cutscene to finish first, mom wanted to watch her soaps, 20 minutes later I said **** it and never played that crap again). the game play was fun, not great at best, but it rarely ever came by, whats worse is as soon as your done a cutscene and take a few steps the stupid codec starts ringing. if your a fan, u musta loved it im sure it deserves all these "GAME" of the year awards, but honestly when I hear how ridiculously long the cutscenes are in mgs 4 i start to wonder if hideo kojima is nothing but a wannabe director who never made it and then conveyed it thru video games. I love the ps3 and Im a cow i wont lie, I hate xbots and 360 in general and the fanboys on here who actually defend that garbage. but mgs 4 is a movie before a video game. i thought about it, and i will be steering clear of the mgs franchise. I hope to god this new shooter hideo is going to develop has just as epic a story but he cuts down the lengths of them significantly. LIKE **** dude.

I agree 100%.. However I've been a MG fan for a very long time so I didn't mind the cut scenes that much... Having said that DAMN.. This game has some of the LONGEST death scenes in the history of man!!! :?
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Oh look, now you have done it! All the MGS and Sony fanboys are entering this thread to eat you alive.

On topic, who cares? Blog it.

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funny I rememberd around 10+ hours of fun gameplay.
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.

That might have been the worse reasoning I've ever heard. Long cinematic are never a plus in video games.
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funny I rememberd around 10+ hours of fun gameplay.dattruth4real
I never said the gameplay wasn't fun... :|
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.AAllxxjjnn
That might have been the worse reasoning I've ever heard. Long cinematic are never a plus in video games.

Think of it this way, mgs4 was mainly a lovenote too fans, it wasnt meant too pick up any new fans, although it deffinetley has, and the whole long cinematic complaint is extremely longwinded, the only overly long cinematic was the ending one, but it was a bit justified when you look at it as Kojima had too close all the open gaps in the otherwise fantastic saga.

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.dattruth4real

That might have been the worse reasoning I've ever heard. Long cinematic are never a plus in video games.

Think of it this way, mgs4 was mainly a lovenote too fans, it wasnt meant too pick up any new fans, although it deffinetley has, and the whole long cinematic complaint is extremely longwinded, the only overly long cinematic was the ending one, but it was a bit justified when you look at it as Kojima had too close all the open gaps in the otherwise fantastic saga.

He closed pretty much all of the story archs in this final chapter but the cut scenes were painfully long sometimes..
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.

That might have been the worse reasoning I've ever heard. Long cinematic are never a plus in video games.

I would agree if you couldnt skip them. But you can just as easily skip them or pause them. The cinematics were made for MGS fans who love the MGS story and are used to these long cinematics. Now, if they had add long cinematics and crappy gameplay, you would have a point, but MGS4 has as much gameplay as most other shooters this gen (and more than Gears and COD4, so dont even claim the gameplay is short) and its some fantastic gameplay. If the cinematics are too long for you, skip them. If you actually want to fully understand the story, then you have to play all the previous titles and if you played the previous titles, long cutscenes should come as no suprise to you. And your statement is way too general and broad. In the case of MGS4, long cinematics are plus as they add alot to the overal explanation of the story and the character development. Story is just as important as gameplay in the MGS franchise, so it gets just as much attention. If you have a problem with that, then I have to ask "why are you playing MGS games?" Its like saying "oh man, I hate shooters" then going out and buying Gears2 and complaining.
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#16 GodofBigMacs
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Probably only 40-45% of the game is gameplay... it seems like a lot more, though, probably since the ending is nearly an hour or more long. I agree with how Metal Gear fans will not find a better experience. This was (supposedly) the last MGS, so the cutscenes were bound to be even longer.
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[QUOTE="dattruth4real"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] That might have been the worse reasoning I've ever heard. Long cinematic are never a plus in video games.OhSnapitz

Think of it this way, mgs4 was mainly a lovenote too fans, it wasnt meant too pick up any new fans, although it deffinetley has, and the whole long cinematic complaint is extremely longwinded, the only overly long cinematic was the ending one, but it was a bit justified when you look at it as Kojima had too close all the open gaps in the otherwise fantastic saga.

He closed pretty much all of the story archs in this final chapter but the cut scenes were painfully long sometimes..

The only one I felt was really over long was the ending, too each his own I guess.. I never once felt bored, more intrigue than anything.
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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="dattruth4real"]

Think of it this way, mgs4 was mainly a lovenote too fans, it wasnt meant too pick up any new fans, although it deffinetley has, and the whole long cinematic complaint is extremely longwinded, the only overly long cinematic was the ending one, but it was a bit justified when you look at it as Kojima had too close all the open gaps in the otherwise fantastic saga.

dattruth4real
He closed pretty much all of the story archs in this final chapter but the cut scenes were painfully long sometimes..

The only one I felt was really over long was the ending, too each his own I guess.. I never once felt bored, more intrigue than anything.

I found that sometimes they would go off on a rant about something or simply were entirely too redundant.. It's most likely due to the fact that I've cleared all the MGS games and I know most of the story..
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#19 dattruth4real
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[QUOTE="dattruth4real"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] He closed pretty much all of the story archs in this final chapter but the cut scenes were painfully long sometimes.. OhSnapitz
The only one I felt was really over long was the ending, too each his own I guess.. I never once felt bored, more intrigue than anything.

I found that sometimes they would go off on a rant about something or simply were entirely too redundant.. It's most likely due to the fact that I've cleared all the MGS games and I know most of the story..

oh I have also, i just like the camp and melodrama more I guess, I loved it, damn I think i might go play it again lol.
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In a sense, I agree with you. Some of the cut-scenes were too drawn out. In fact, I loved the majority of them. Some of the mission briefings really vexed me because they were about 20 - 30 minutes long, where virtually nothing happens. That said, some of the scenes in the game are the best of all time, for me (i.e. river cut-scene, the second split-screen sequence and the last boss fight were all epic). It's also my favourite game this gen, just ahead of The Orange Box.
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^Yeah, I agree. E.G. when yoU *SPOILERS* meet Big Mama, she ends up just recapping everything in MGS3 for you. I mean, I know all that crap already!! Now tell me more about the Patriots!
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I must say that it's one of the best (and worst) video game experiences you'll ever have. The Graphics and Cinematics are off the chart and the story in unmatched in the VG world. However, I must have spent like 6 hours actually playing the game.. :? I will say that if you a MG fan(like me) you won't find a better experience.. but in all honesty I hope Kojima finally put this puppy to bed.

btw, anyone complaining about this game being selected for Best Graphics... you need to play this title.. This game ****s on 98% of 360 games. But I'd imagine having to install every chapter helps.

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#23 VoxteX
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Shouldn't we be praising a bit of variety? Everybody on here that's bashing MGS4 for having long cutscenes, feel free to go play any other game out there that has little to no cutscenes at all. The MGS series is a total of 4 games, all 4 of these games are known for having a cinematic experience with long cutscenes, these are pretty much the only games in the entire market that have this kind of experience. It's not for everyone, but it's unique, and it should be appreciated. Do you want every game to be like COD4 or Gears of War? MGS4 is special, it's different, and it's not for everyone. At least be glad that Kojima stuck with what he does best and didn't casualize the game like everything else that's coming out nowadays.
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ah the undying fanboy flame...if you were a mgs fan... you wouldn't be saying it's one of the worst experiences. You would know what to expect in mgs4 if you've played the ones b4.
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I love MGS4, it was one of the best games I played this year
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#26 OhSnapitz
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ah the undying fanboy flame...if you were a mgs fan... you wouldn't be saying it's one of the worst experiences. You would know what to expect in mgs4 if you've played the ones b4.eklineage
These kind of statements kill me... If you are a fan of a series then you have the right to criticize it, it's no different than a TV show or Movie series. Just because I thought the cut scenes were too drawn out, doesn't mean I didn't like most of them. It also doesn't mean I didn't like the game.
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^Yeah, I agree. E.G. when yoU *spoilers*GodofBigMacs
I think that was just a sort of Easter Egg for veteran fans, to reveal who she was. :P
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] I would agree if you couldnt skip them. But you can just as easily skip them or pause them. The cinematics were made for MGS fans who love the MGS story and are used to these long cinematics. Now, if they had add long cinematics and crappy gameplay, you would have a point, but MGS4 has as much gameplay as most other shooters this gen (and more than Gears and COD4, so dont even claim the gameplay is short) and its some fantastic gameplay. If the cinematics are too long for you, skip them. If you actually want to fully understand the story, then you have to play all the previous titles and if you played the previous titles, long cutscenes should come as no suprise to you. And your statement is way too general and broad. In the case of MGS4, long cinematics are plus as they add alot to the overal explanation of the story and the character development. Story is just as important as gameplay in the MGS franchise, so it gets just as much attention. If you have a problem with that, then I have to ask "why are you playing MGS games?" Its like saying "oh man, I hate shooters" then going out and buying Gears2 and complaining.

You are missing the point. The point is it's being rewarded for having these long cutscenes. Like it's praiseworthy for video games to emulate movies and just tell their stories like a movie would. Gamespot's whole explanation was just them trying to come up with reasons to justify the long cut scenes and as to why it deserves all those wins. Cutscenes are a minus because they remove the player from the game, i don't care how seamless it blends back into gameplay, it still took me out of the game for 20 minutes. It's not as amazing as they make it out to be. I'd like a story, just not one told entirely through cutscenes. Some of the **** in MGS4 didn't even have to be in cutscene form. And i don't agree with it having fantastic gameplay, but lets not even get into that.
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Well enjoy it. There are not too many games like MGS4. So calm down. It was my favorite game this gen so I coun't care wether it won GOTY or not. I usually disaggree with reviewers anyway. Play Lost Odessy that game is amazing too, if you like movie like games.
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poor lemms, they just cant get over that the ps3 has exclusive GOTY for 2008. maybe next year lemmings with , hmm i cant think of any games for the 360 for 09 :(
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[QUOTE="eklineage"]ah the undying fanboy flame...if you were a mgs fan... you wouldn't be saying it's one of the worst experiences. You would know what to expect in mgs4 if you've played the ones b4.OhSnapitz
These kind of statements kill me... If you are a fan of a series then you have the right to criticize it, it's no different than a TV show or Movie series. Just because I thought the cut scenes were too drawn out, doesn't mean I didn't like most of them. It also doesn't mean I didn't like the game.

you don't have to prove anything to me. I wouldn't care anyhow.
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In all my years of gaming, I've never played a more immersive game than MGS4. The cutscenes simply add to the overall experience and are entirely necessary. It's better than 20 pages of typed print trying to tell you the story.

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[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

I must say that it's one of the best (and worst) video game experiences you'll ever have. The Graphics and Cinematics are off the chart and the story in unmatched in the VG world. However, I must have spent like 6 hours actually playing the game.. :? I will say that if you a MG fan(like me) you won't find a better experience.. but in all honesty I hope Kojima finally put this puppy to bed.

btw, anyone complaining about this game being selected for Best Graphics... you need to play this title.. This game ****s on 98% of 360 games. But I'd imagine having to install every chapter helps.

I am not a MGS fan and i imagine that's why i didn't like it. The game had 5 hours gameplay for me (it felt like a speedrun). Some of the cutscenes were just too much. Some were monologues flooded with dramatic pauses and thers had those cheesy dramatic looks and stuff. I don't get how the story gets so much praise, it is not super awesome it is just too lenghy and complicated. And the visuals are not GOTY worthy, and are certainly not the best on consoles, IMO uncharted and Gears 2 take the cake. It looks like a prettier version of GRAW.
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] I would agree if you couldnt skip them. But you can just as easily skip them or pause them. The cinematics were made for MGS fans who love the MGS story and are used to these long cinematics. Now, if they had add long cinematics and crappy gameplay, you would have a point, but MGS4 has as much gameplay as most other shooters this gen (and more than Gears and COD4, so dont even claim the gameplay is short) and its some fantastic gameplay. If the cinematics are too long for you, skip them. If you actually want to fully understand the story, then you have to play all the previous titles and if you played the previous titles, long cutscenes should come as no suprise to you. And your statement is way too general and broad. In the case of MGS4, long cinematics are plus as they add alot to the overal explanation of the story and the character development. Story is just as important as gameplay in the MGS franchise, so it gets just as much attention. If you have a problem with that, then I have to ask "why are you playing MGS games?" Its like saying "oh man, I hate shooters" then going out and buying Gears2 and complaining.AAllxxjjnn
You are missing the point. The point is it's being rewarded for having these long cutscenes. Like it's praiseworthy for video games to emulate movies and just tell their stories like a movie would. Gamespot's whole explanation was just them trying to come up with reasons to justify the long cut scenes and as to why it deserves all those wins. Cutscenes are a minus because they remove the player from the game, i don't care how seamless it blends back into gameplay, it still took me out of the game for 20 minutes. It's not as amazing as they make it out to be. I'd like a story, just not one told entirely through cutscenes. Some of the **** in MGS4 didn't even have to be in cutscene form. And i don't agree with it having fantastic gameplay, but lets not even get into that.

Exactly. Everytime a cutscene showed up it was like taking a 20 minutes break from the game. And sometimes right after a cutscene there was 5 minutes of gameplay and then *gasp!* ANOTHER CUTSCENE! I want to play the game. And so what if it goes back to gameplay seaminglessly. I really don't care about that. No, not all of them were bad. I actually liked some, even if i didn't understand why some of them actually happened.
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poor lemms, they just cant get over that the ps3 has exclusive GOTY for 2008. maybe next year lemmings with , hmm i cant think of any games for the 360 for 09 :(spike6566

Yeah good luck trying to outsell the 360 in 2009.

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#36 Lionheart08
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As long as there's the option to skip over them, I don't understand the major malfunction of long cutscenes. It's one thing if you're forced to sit through 20+ cutscenes but in this case you aren't.

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#37 DarxPhil
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MGS4 has pretty good graphics but Warhead should have won.
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They never said that the game didn't have good graphics. What they did say was that it wasn't the best graphics. It was going up against Crysis Warhead which should have won the title. I suspect that MGS4 won because of the limitations of the PS3 and what was done with it.
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#39 LookAnDrolL
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As long as there's the option to skip over them, I don't understand the major malfunction of long cutscenes. It's one thing if you're forced to sit through 20+ cutscenes but in this case you aren't.

Lionheart08

Because its an adult game, its not for kids who just wants to shoot things... not mindless action, like gears

Its for mature people, not the type of people you'll find in a video game forum

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#40 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

As long as there's the option to skip over them, I don't understand the major malfunction of long cutscenes. It's one thing if you're forced to sit through 20+ cutscenes but in this case you aren't.

LookAnDrolL

Because its an adult game, its not for kids who just wants to shoot things... not mindless action, like gears

Its for mature people, not the type of people you'll find in a video game forum

MGS4 has poop jokes. Poop jokes=/= mature. Look at my avatar and signature, the images are from movies, "adult movies". So I obviously have no problem watching things for hours on end. You aren't seeing the point.
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#41 desyple
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[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

As long as there's the option to skip over them, I don't understand the major malfunction of long cutscenes. It's one thing if you're forced to sit through 20+ cutscenes but in this case you aren't.

AAllxxjjnn

Because its an adult game, its not for kids who just wants to shoot things... not mindless action, like gears

Its for mature people, not the type of people you'll find in a video game forum

MGS4 has poop jokes. Poop jokes=/= mature. Look at my avatar and signature, the images are from movies, "adult movies". So I obviously have no problem watching things for hours on end. You aren't seeing the point.

now that u mention it ur sig is quite disturbing. ive always wanted to mention that but i end up forgetting.lol
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#42 whackedjob213
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That was my first MGS game and I loved it. I wiki'd the old stories to get background as my PS3 has no BC. The cutscenes were so well done it really didn't matter that they were long. It took me like 13 hours the first time and the other 3 times 8 or so.
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#43 IIJuggaNottII
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Great game. I'll play Gears of War 2 and believe that those are the greatest graphics I have ever seen, then I'll play MGS4...changes my mind...Play Drakes and my mind is changed again. I just give it to MGS4 for the simple fact that It had so much animation in it....It has to win for its preformance. It was a great game.
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#44 Jigsaw9798
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funny I rememberd around 10+ hours of fun gameplay.dattruth4real
You're either exaggerating, or you REALLY took your time. I completed a Big Boss emblem run in 3 1/2 hours, and my first playthrough took 16 hours minus 10 or so hours of cutscenes.
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#45 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]1. Its Metal Gear Solid..."Movie Gear Solid" is got real old eons ago :? 2. Watch the GOTY video here at GS and fully understand why the long movies are an plus rather than a minus.

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#46 Afro_Samurai1
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why do people hate good games
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#47 II_Seraphim_II
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why do people hate good gamesAfro_Samurai1
havent you heard? its cool to be a hater!
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#48 Bread_or_Decide
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Oh my godz! MGS has lots of cinemas! What's next? The sun is yellow? The seas are blue because they reflect the sky? Blood flows through our veins? 1991 wants its old complaints back. This has been thrown at every single MGS game and guess what...nobody cares. Its the only hate that can be spewed for those with tiny attention spans and a lack of appreciation for the artistic nature of video games. You want instant dumb fun? Put in gears of war. Bam. Or just pop into some halo 3 multiplayer. All the dumb fun you want. MGS is obviously a higher caliber of entertainment and is not for you.
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#49 Lto_thaG
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It's my GOTY and the game is a masterpiece and it didn't deserve the graphics award imo.
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#50 SteezyZ
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Oh my godz! MGS has lots of cinemas! What's next? The sun is yellow? The seas are blue because they reflect the sky? Blood flows through our veins? 1991 wants its old complaints back. This has been thrown at every single MGS game and guess what...nobody cares. Its the only hate that can be spewed for those with tiny attention spans and a lack of appreciation for the artistic nature of video games. You want instant dumb fun? Put in gears of war. Bam. Or just pop into some halo 3 multiplayer. All the dumb fun you want. MGS is obviously a higher caliber of entertainment and is not for you. Bread_or_Decide

I guess I wouldn't complain about MGS cutscenes if they were all good. To me, it is as distracting/negative in such a story-heavy game to have poor dialog/timing as having a bad level in any other game (Library in Halo anyone?).

You talk as if all 10-or-so hours of cinematics were amazing...well, they really weren't (Drebin Beast postmortem monologues = fail), and it has nothing to do with attention span. In fact, the heavy-handed nature and often repetitive dialog in which Kojima presents the story is not "higher caliber entertainment", it's treating me like I'm a child.

I appreciate that MGS is unique in its cinematic presentation and high production values, and I can see how the "same old" complaints against it are annoying...but I'm just as tired of fanboys acting like it's Oscar/Pulitzer material.