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#51  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@XboxStache said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
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Bring Scalebound to PS4; and leave out of touch Murricans to keep losing this entire gen.

You're such a fakeboy, also it's the Japanese that are out of touch, not Murricans

No. It's the murricans in Microsoft. Hence, no Xflop console has had success in Japan. It should be in the interest of microsoft to appeal to all fanbases. Kamiya just noted the disrespectful nature of Microsoft that surprises no one at all except hardcore lems or idiots such as yourself.

Mate, PS4 aint doing so hot in Japan either, they got kicked out by Wii U. Wii U owns Japan now. Selling in Japan is no easy feat.

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#52  Edited By UltimateImp
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@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
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And this surprises no one.

thought we were having a good convo for a min there..then you went and turned fakeboy

Eh, just a little hyperbole. Seriously, though. In the entertainment industry, it takes a little out-of-the-box thinking to keep these people chill. It's actually weird to me MS is having these problems considering they had Itagaki of all people singing like a bird for them once upon a time.

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

Don't make up shit just to defend Microsoft. They don't need your help, they can do well without your pity.

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#53 FireEmblem_Man
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@ultimateimp said:
@lawlessx said:

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

Don't make up shit, just to defend Microsoft. They don't need your help, they can do well without your petty.

He isn't making up anything

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#54 lawlessx
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@ultimateimp said:
@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:

And this surprises no one.

thought we were having a good convo for a min there..then you went and turned fakeboy

Eh, just a little hyperbole. Seriously, though. In the entertainment industry, it takes a little out-of-the-box thinking to keep these people chill. It's actually weird to me MS is having these problems considering they had Itagaki of all people singing like a bird for them once upon a time.

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

Don't make up shit just to defend Microsoft. They don't need your help, they can do well without your pity.

Clearly i posted that as speculation.

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#55  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:

And this surprises no one.

thought we were having a good convo for a min there..then you went and turned fakeboy

Eh, just a little hyperbole. Seriously, though. In the entertainment industry, it takes a little out-of-the-box thinking to keep these people chill. It's actually weird to me MS is having these problems considering they had Itagaki of all people singing like a bird for them once upon a time.

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

It would be smart of them, Sony has literally everything practically going their way with intense JP support incoming. If kamiya actually wants to kill some of the rumors surrounding his game with actual controlled gameplay and MS just want to use him as a talking head/ bullet point attached to some weak ass promo video bullshit, there's going to be problems.

Kamiya probably doesn't want to deal with the fallout of another Wonderful 101 copies sold. Hopefully that's all and it's not MS actually affecting how much say so he gets in the development of a game he has his name attached to.

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#56  Edited By lawlessx
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@ReadingRainbow4 said:
@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:

And this surprises no one.

thought we were having a good convo for a min there..then you went and turned fakeboy

Eh, just a little hyperbole. Seriously, though. In the entertainment industry, it takes a little out-of-the-box thinking to keep these people chill. It's actually weird to me MS is having these problems considering they had Itagaki of all people singing like a bird for them once upon a time.

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

It would be smart of them, Sony has literally everything practically going their way with intense JP support incoming off his game with actual controlled gameplay and MS just want to use him as a talking head/ bullet point attached to some weak ass promo video bullshit, there's going to be problems.

Kamiya probably doesn't want to deal with the fallout of another Wonderful 1 copies sold.

My question is how is it he had no clue how his game was going to be marketed? I always assumed there was a roadmap drawn out when developers/publishers write these contracts detailing the terms and how the marketing team was gonna promote the game. He went public complaining about the artwork microsoft picked when the game was announced ..went public complaining about his role at E3..now he's complaining about how the game is shown at Games con and his role at the event.

What the hell? is it possible he didn't know what he was signing up for?

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#57 UltimateImp
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@lawlessx said:
@ultimateimp said:
@lawlessx said:

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

Don't make up shit just to defend Microsoft. They don't need your help, they can do well without your pity.

Clearly i posted that as speculation.

Again, stop putting up a narrative where your gods in suits are never wrong. They're notorious for the way they treat devs, they've pissed, trembled and destroyed devs. This guy is a legend that's making you an exclusive, wants nothing but to please you as his fans before the suits. You're nothing more than a keyboard warriors talking shit about someone who did in his one life much more than a thousand of the likes of you could ever accomplish.

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#59  Edited By oflow
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artists are drama queens. story at 11

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@lawlessx said:
@ReadingRainbow4 said:
@lawlessx said:
@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:

And this surprises no one.

thought we were having a good convo for a min there..then you went and turned fakeboy

Eh, just a little hyperbole. Seriously, though. In the entertainment industry, it takes a little out-of-the-box thinking to keep these people chill. It's actually weird to me MS is having these problems considering they had Itagaki of all people singing like a bird for them once upon a time.

For all we know Kamiya wanted to do a 10 min live demo and/or an Q&A while microsoft didn't feel it necessary. i doubt Itagaki complained to microsoft about appearing in gaming conventions to promote his games. he loved the attention and being in the spotlight.

It would be smart of them, Sony has literally everything practically going their way with intense JP support incoming off his game with actual controlled gameplay and MS just want to use him as a talking head/ bullet point attached to some weak ass promo video bullshit, there's going to be problems.

Kamiya probably doesn't want to deal with the fallout of another Wonderful 1 copies sold.

My question is how is it he had no clue how his game was going to be marketed? I always assumed there was a roadmap drawn out when developers/publishers write these contracts detailing the terms and how the marketing team was gonna promote the game. He went public complaining about the artwork microsoft picked when the game was announced ..went public complaining about his role at E3..now he's complaining about how the game is shown at Games con and his role at the event.

What the hell? is it possible he didn't know what he was signing up for?

http://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142

Apparently MS has a history of not being transparent.

Hires Developer to make a Multiplayer Online game for 5 million (Phantom Dust)

Demands a full singleplayer campaign shortly after the initial agreement had been made and refuses to budge on the 5 million.

That's just plain classy.

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@mesome713 said:
@XboxStache said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:

Bring Scalebound to PS4; and leave out of touch Murricans to keep losing this entire gen.

You're such a fakeboy, also it's the Japanese that are out of touch, not Murricans

No. It's the murricans in Microsoft. Hence, no Xflop console has had success in Japan. It should be in the interest of microsoft to appeal to all fanbases. Kamiya just noted the disrespectful nature of Microsoft that surprises no one at all except hardcore lems or idiots such as yourself.

Mate, PS4 aint doing so hot in Japan either, they got kicked out by Wii U. Wii U owns Japan now. Selling in Japan is no easy feat.

And the Wii U is still last in sales; so there goes that theory. PS4 is probably at 30 million is not dangerously close; and it's quality speaks for itself.

Why Kamiya chose a shitty console like the Bone for Scalebound is bound to bite him in the ass. If this were on PS4, doubtless, he'd be jubilant about the presentation as they'd respectfully showcase this game whilst giving due credit. Seems like all SWs does is hate on the GodstationQuad.

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@XboxStache said:

And the Wii U is still last in sales; so there goes that theory. PS4 is probably at 30 million is not dangerously close; and it's quality speaks for itself.

Why Kamiya chose a shitty console like the Bone for Scalebound is bound to bite him in the ass. If this were on PS4, doubtless, he'd be jubilant about the presentation as they'd respectfully showcase this game whilst giving due credit. Seems like all SWs does is hate on the GodstationQuad.

Maybe if Sony wasn't being run into the ground by morons they could afford to pay Kamiya and get a game like Scalebound on the PS4, it's really Sony's own fault for being incompetent when it comes to running a business

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Never heard of Scalebound... dont know what it is

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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:

Bring Scalebound to PS4; and leave out of touch Murricans to keep losing this entire gen.

You're such a fakeboy, also it's the Japanese that are out of touch, not Murricans

No. It's the murricans in Microsoft. Hence, no Xflop console has had success in Japan. It should be in the interest of microsoft to appeal to all fanbases. Kamiya just noted the disrespectful nature of Microsoft that surprises no one at all except hardcore lems or idiots such as yourself.

Hah, I'm not the idiot that complained about buying an Xbox One and expected big changes with Console Gaming. I own a PC, Wii U, and Xbox One. I don't need a PS4 as I got everything covered for my Xbox One and PC for multiplats.

So what, I own an XBone and Wii U as well. You're missing out on the definitive gaming experience by convincing yourself you have all your gaming needs and somehow skipping the PS4, when it has the most exclusives of the best quality. On a side note, at least you saved yourself from total mediocrity by owning the Wii U. I think the Wii U's actually a good console...but what on earth were you thinking by getting an underpowered Bone?

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@mesome713: PS4 is doing OK in Japan and will do even better when games like Dragon Quest XI, FFXV, KHIII and FFVII Remake release. It lead in sales by a large amount this past week so not sure why you are trying lie like the Wii U is dominating there.

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@XboxStache said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:

Bring Scalebound to PS4; and leave out of touch Murricans to keep losing this entire gen.

You're such a fakeboy, also it's the Japanese that are out of touch, not Murricans

No. It's the murricans in Microsoft. Hence, no Xflop console has had success in Japan. It should be in the interest of microsoft to appeal to all fanbases. Kamiya just noted the disrespectful nature of Microsoft that surprises no one at all except hardcore lems or idiots such as yourself.

Hah, I'm not the idiot that complained about buying an Xbox One and expected big changes with Console Gaming. I own a PC, Wii U, and Xbox One. I don't need a PS4 as I got everything covered for my Xbox One and PC for multiplats.

So what, I own an XBone and Wii U as well. You're missing out on the definitive gaming experience by convincing yourself you have all your gaming needs and somehow skipping the PS4, when it has the most exclusives of the best quality. On a side note, at least you saved yourself from total mediocrity by owning the Wii U. I think the Wii U's actually a good console...but what on earth were you thinking by getting an underpowered Bone?

No I'm not, I don't care how many games or consoles you own, I'm not flashing my e-peen!

I'm not interested in Sony's First Party titles at all, also the definitive gaming experience is all PC

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#67  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@StrongBlackVine: Yeah, forgive me, i was just stating facts. Japan is big on mobile gaming, i dont think they will ever care for PS4, they are ready for Dragon Quest XI on 3DS though.

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@FireEmblem_Man: You're the one who told me about the Wii U and Bone.

Hey, do what you will. I just don't see the justification in owning an Xbox One, when it doesn't have exclusives, is underpowered, has a terrible UI, and sucks at loading apps, it's basically only good for Youtube, Netflix, Hulu Plus or TV box.

Then you bring up PC....wow. How embarrassing is it to own underpowered garbage accompanied by a PC? Especially when you can play 99 percent of so-called Xflop exclusives on PC. That makes no sense.

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Stage shows are so 2000s. They should let Kamiya do a presentation on the game like The Wonderful 101 Direct. It seemed like he enjoyed doing that.

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#70  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@mesome713: Yes 3DS dominates, but not Wii U. Any way once games like Dragon Quest XI, FFXV, FFVII Remake, Kingdom Hearts III, Street Fighter V, Dark Souls III etc start releasing PS4 sales will rise.

Square Enix in particular is pushing it hard.

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@StrongBlackVine: Wii U has almost sold double what PS4 has in Japan. Also with Splatoon being huge and Super Mario Maker and others coming soon it will only further help Wii U sales in Japan.

Japan will not care for Dragon Quest XI on PS4 since all the Dragon Quest games are already on Nintendo consoles. Kingdom Hearts doesnt sale good in Japan, guess not their thing. Bloodborne didnt help PS4 at all in Japan, i dont think DSIII will either. I dont see FF doing anything either, Japan has never really been big on the series, they like Dragon Quest like crazy. Street Fighter dont sale in Japan either, im sorry, Smash Bros is big in Japan. Good luck though.

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@XboxStache said:

@FireEmblem_Man: You're the one who told me about the Wii U and Bone.

Hey, do what you will. I just don't see the justification in owning an Xbox One, when it doesn't have exclusives, is underpowered, has a terrible UI, and sucks at loading apps, it's basically only good for Youtube, Netflix, Hulu Plus or TV box.

Then you bring up PC....wow. How embarrassing is it to own underpowered garbage accompanied by a PC? Especially when you can play 99 percent of so-called Xflop exclusives on PC. That makes no sense.

So you're saying that I can't own a PC with my Xbox One and Wii U?

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#73 UltimateImp
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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:

@FireEmblem_Man: You're the one who told me about the Wii U and Bone.

Hey, do what you will. I just don't see the justification in owning an Xbox One, when it doesn't have exclusives, is underpowered, has a terrible UI, and sucks at loading apps, it's basically only good for Youtube, Netflix, Hulu Plus or TV box.

Then you bring up PC....wow. How embarrassing is it to own underpowered garbage accompanied by a PC? Especially when you can play 99 percent of so-called Xflop exclusives on PC. That makes no sense.

So you're saying that I can't own a PC with my Xbox One and Wii U?

He never said that, stop deflecting what he's saying. Stop posting when you didn't even understand his comment. Take a 5 to think before you post. This is a basic reading-comprehension lesson.

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#74  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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@mesome713: Yeah it isn't nearly as dire a picture as you paint. All those games will sell consoles. PS3 only sold 10 million in Japan. PS4 won't do much worse than that.

Not that it really matters to me much as PS4 owns the rest of world and those Japanese games keep churning out.

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@StrongBlackVine: I never said it was dire, im just saying Wii U is doing pretty good in Japan, heck, Wii U is actually doing pretty good in America, its Europe that Wii U is doing bad. Sure sales will increase some, but dont expect it to come close to what PS3 did in Japan. Sony is focused on Europe and America, which they should be, thats where all their sells are coming from, they have no need to cater to Japan.

If Sony was smart they would take advantage of Europe by producing and funding a Sonic game with Sega. Europe doesnt care for Nintendo much and Xbox is struggling over there, they can take control over and do some damage, but they better hurry, China is about to open to Nintendo soon.

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#76  Edited By Shewgenja
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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@Shewgenja said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@Shewgenja said:
@lawlessx said:

And this surprises no one.

thought we were having a good convo for a min there..then you went and turned fakeboy

Eh, just a little hyperbole. Seriously, though. In the entertainment industry, it takes a little out-of-the-box thinking to keep these people chill. It's actually weird to me MS is having these problems considering they had Itagaki of all people singing like a bird for them once upon a time.

Yet, that was when Itagaki was with Tecmo and Team Ninja, but not anymore and his game Devil's Third has been in Development Hell for so long.

MS is trying to promote the game to everyone, but when you have a talented dev that can't swallow his ego, it paints a bad picture to the press as well as the company that's funding the game. When you sign a contract, you better damn well follow it and not bitch about it, because he's the one that signed it. He had a choice not to, but in the end MS was the only option for him to fund his game.

Well, now we're seeing the downfalls of the philosophy that one can merely buy their way into the industry. If this doesn't underline the need for pragmatism over billions, nothing will. I mean, let's call a spade a spade here. It's not like MS even had a big new third party IP to announce at E3 this year. Money isn't everything.

Such cliche drivel

Money is what gets you a place to live, eat, and provide your entertainment needs. I honestly hate money as it changes people's behavior, but for Kamiya, why didn't he go to Kickstarter instead to fund for his game?

Real talk man. That is a very limited view of how things work. I know in my career life I had to make decisions between staying with a company that has been in business since charters were a thing or take a gamble on having a lateral position change at an emerging MNC. There's no right or wrong answer when it comes to "taking the money". That goes to whether you're a worker drone like little old me or a creative director for a game company.

Cliche drivel? Cliche drivel is ear-marking a dollar sign to your own branding as a content creator and expecting the entire user base to get what your trade-offs are for any decision you make. Don't come at me crazy with that kind of talk. Not when I've seen both sides of the coin. Just because your soul is for sale doesn't mean everyone operates the same. Talent will change your perspective and I actually hope you find yourself in a point in life where you do understand the meaning of this.

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#77  Edited By Articuno76
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TBH I see Kamiya's point. There's really no point him even being there if all MS are going to do is wheel him out on stage to say "Hi" before a demo rolls. A waste of time that could be going into development instead.

If MS's commitment to supporting Kamiya is anything more than skin-deep then the aren't showing it. And if I was a developer I'd feel a little tricked if a platform holder told me I was a huge deal for them and then turn around and contradict that with their treatment of the game/developer.

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#78 Scipio8
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This is all a storm in a teacup, Kamiya knows that if he partners with the Sh*tStation4 he will only get a kickstarter campaign. LOL

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@freedomfreak: "Kamiya speaks out. A lot"

Maybe he should not be a whiny bitch and speak with your business partner about these things rather than run to social media to vent.

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@Scipio8 said:

This is all a storm in a teacup, Kamiya knows that if he partners with the Sh*tStation4 he will only get a kickstarter campaign. LOL

People keep asking why Kamiya chose to work with Microsoft and not Sony when the answer is simple, Microsoft has money and can afford to pay him, Sony cannot.

Kamiya should really keep his mouth shut, collect his paycheck and go home, it's Microsoft's IP and they could do whatever they want.

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What a big baby...

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People are really defending his manchild behavior?

Funny thing is... if he was some vague indie/slightly unknown developer he would be burned for behaving like this. Look at Phil Fish...

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@XboxStache said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@XboxStache said:

Bring Scalebound to PS4; and leave out of touch Murricans to keep losing this entire gen.

You're such a fakeboy, also it's the Japanese that are out of touch, not Murricans

No. It's the murricans in Microsoft. Hence, no Xflop console has had success in Japan. It should be in the interest of microsoft to appeal to all fanbases. Kamiya just noted the disrespectful nature of Microsoft that surprises no one at all except hardcore lems or idiots such as yourself.

Oh spare me your bullshyte. The man has had drama queen issues with others including the Japanese at Nintendo.

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#84  Edited By Alucard_Prime
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Well he seems happy in this rehearsal pic. Only 3 days now!

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Damn Sony are fucking idiots for not hiring Kamiya. Scalebound is gonna be terrific.