Kamiya: “Those s&%*s at MS… are they f$^%ing with me…?”

Just a little food for thought. Plenty of people seem to be on one side of the fence or the other over Scalebound's cancellation. Unfortunately, this dot connects all too well with how Microsoft treated the Phantom Dust developers by changing the arrangement of the game to make it impossible to deliver.

I was waiting to see if there was more evidence before posting this, but in light of Kamiya's hiatus from game development and the increasingly public nature of his breakdown over Scalebound development, it seems only right that we as gamers defend him properly.

MSのクソどもはよー…俺をナメてんのか

Never forget. Sometimes, old news bears a reminder. Today is one of those days.

http://www.gameondaily.com/kamiya-is-pissed-off-at-microsoft-are-they-fucking-with-me/

Poor guy. It was his dream game. Hope he retains IP ownership.

I'm going to preorder his next game in full.

I agree that MS (before this gen) has been a bit corporate when it comes to schedules and development.

This game cancellation is completely his fault.

MS granted him multiple delays and budget increases.

The game couldnt meet deadlines.

This is a business.

I agree, he makes great games (for the most part), but he is notorious for rocky development and missing deadlines.

Cant blame MS on this one.

We will keep them in our prayers. Platinum has had some hard times with sales. Hopefully they can create a splash hit.

Kamiya miss the deadline and he can sit there and bitch all he wants but he has nobody to blame but himself.

So, MS hires a guy with this sordid and checkered past.

Parades him on stage and promises a game way in advance (funny, I thought that was a Sony thing to do).

Apparently trolls the poor guy to vent his frustrations on Twitter.

Then they cancel Scalebound a month after The Last Guardian wows audiences all over the great blue homeworld.

But, let's not blame MS here. It's business. I mean, who even expects them to get games out for their users? Silly us.

That has July 2015 article date. Found this of interest too:

"Hideki Kamiya is known to be quite an outspoken character on social media, having been known to berate some fans of his on Twitter, attacking Sony in the past"

Sounds like he has a temper problem!

@navyguy21: Exactly... but I don't think this matters to PS fanboys. I'm sure it'd be a different story if this was Sony.

But anyway...

Man, get out of here with that. I was even willing to play a Windows Store game to do Scalebound. I am legit pissed this game is canceled and if we're real here, probably more likely to buy and play this game than you were. Take a seat.

Well you don't actually know the details of the personal relationship between the two parties so all you are doing is picking a side based on bias without knowing any facts.

I seriously doubt they just cancelled the game to '**** with him'.

Just like when you get fired from a job, there's a reason for it, it doesn't just 'randomly happen.'

Not saying I agree with the cancellation either, but giving this guy a pass without knowing the details is kinda presumptuous.

So what happens if it comes out that he was the problem? Will you then not buy any of his games?

I respect that. Back when the cancellation broke, I was probably the only one telling people to wait until we knew more about it. So, I respect your vantage point on this. Meanwhile, as you can already see in this thread and the cancellation announcement, a certain contingent of repeat offenders immediately went on the attack.

So, if I am wrong, all I can say is I will man up to it. However, it just seems like increasingly people will dogpile the guy until it doesn't matter what the truth is. I'd like to think that we as gamers would normally take the side of the developer on things like this and that this thread was entirely unnecessary. We live in troubled times.

Its rather simple. When these arrangements are made for game development, both parties agree on the terms. Both parties. If one party falters and then blames the terms for being unfair then its their fault because the terms of the agreement was in a mystery bag. This is standard operating procedure. I don't know the behind the scenes details but from experience, these agreements are always mutual. If its not, then someone was being dishonest about the terms. If I promise to deliver in a shorter time than I know is possible then its my fault, not my clients.

I have to give you credit. I know you did indeed say you were looking forward to the game.

Jesus, that last comment to a fan that was actually on his side...

I like his games but the guy's a d*ck. Its kinda funny how he spoke badly about Sony in the past, is speaking sh*t about MS now and his games cant sell for sh*t on Nintendo consoles... at this rate he really might quit gaming. That, or go full PC

Look at lems saying, "its business". You JACKASSES you don't have shit to play in 2017 and Microsoft can't afford to be canceling games.

I ALMOST feel bad for lems lol. Almost but you little shits keep apologizing for the worst mistakes MS makes

@Shewgenja: Does anyone know if MS owns the IP?

Are you calling ME a lem?

Seriously?

Yes, MS owns it

I didnt quote anyone, did I ? Im just speaking from the heart, this shit looks scary man... If i was going to buy an Xbox, for what reason would I do so ? Last hope for them is announce big exclusives at E3

Can we avoid the drama? The game cancelled, sad news. move on.

If this was down to constantly missing deadlines or overblowing budgets, it's hard to blame MS. I'll hold judgement until we see/hear some more.

There are lots of reasons to buy an XB1, and I own a PS4 and Gaming PC.

Granted, most of the XB1/PC games i get on PC, most of the people on my friends list have only XB1s because they arent into building PCs or PC gaming in general. They'd rather plug and play (as much as you can anymore).

This arbitrary holding on to true exclusives is crazy.

My 13yr old nephew will never be into PC gaming like I was at that age, neither will his friends............or school for that matter.

To those people...............the vast majority of the population............console exclusives matter.

Sony just has better 1st party and support in Japan, they will have great games regardless of how good or bad the platform is doing.

That doesnt mean XB1 is crappy or that console exclusives dont matter.

For you then. But for me, No. That was my point..

It certainly doesnt inspire confidence in the future of Xbox you must agree, no ?

Pretending you had confidence in an xbox console are we? Please dude you're a cow and you don't hide it so don't pretend like you give a shit about MS or it's consoles.

Kamiya? Avoid Drama? Nah.

The cancellation of Scalebound?

Games get cancelled all the time and it is ALWAYS fodder for fanboys.

I look at things in context.

Kamiya has always had troubles keeping timelines and schedules, not to mention he lashes out at reporters, journalists, and his own fans.

Im surprised it was cancelled, but I expected it to be a 7 at the most.

If MS hadnt made any changes to XB1 since the reveal, hadnt made UI chances, added features, made it easier to develop for, invested in new IPs..............then maybe i would agree.

Fact is XB1 had a good year and great holiday, PS4 was just better.

Doesnt mean XB1 is dead.

MS heads just screwed up with the XB1 in general (3rd console curse), only so far you can come back from that.

PS4 is just a better and more powerful platform.

Scorpio looks like a step in the right direction.

Based on his tweets, this guy sounds like actual cancer. I don't care if you're one of the best at what you do, people shouldn't have to put up with you if you're a jerk. Surprised any company would want to fund him or any dev would want to work with him.

@kingtito: I know...these cows are laying it on thick since the Scalebound announcement.

PS4 is finally getting some games in 2017 now they are acting like PS4 hasn't had a game drought for most of this gen too.

Even if MS brings out no new games this year, I can do the exact same thing they did the first two years of PS4, play multiplats.

These Sony drama queens need to give it a rest.

In these cases I can't ever see myself taking the side of Microsoft or Sony. I'm not some corporatist team player working at a cubicle sucking up to the board of directors of the company who sympathizes with their buisiness problems or profits. I'm a game enthusiast and the people who actually make the games are heroes to me. It rubs me the wrong way when people will knee jerk support the non game playing number crunchers instead of the artists. I feel it's best just to stay out of the politics and drama and support the creators who's work I enjoy.

allegedly the game was cancelled cause x1 is too weak and they couldn't get it to run well.

The e3 presentation was probably 100% scripted and ran on high end pc

@oflow: Oh and don't forget what games sold best on PS4 last year... That is right multiplats not exclusive titles. There are going to be a metric shit ton of different games to play on the Xbox One. From multiplats to console exclusives, so who gives a shit. A game is a game not matter the platform, exclusive, or multiplatform. For the love of god people be gamers, not fanboys!

Thank you, sir, for getting it. At the point where people openly decide to be armchair quarterback for the pencil pushers instead of the game creators, we have real problems. The irony that much of this is coming from the exact same System Wars faction that dismisses sales threads as beneath them is also rather bizzarre.

Talk about being a drama queen. Speaking from the heart? LMAO. Things looking scary? ROFLMAO

lol that was from 18 months ago. He seems a little high strung :P

Lot of salty lemmings in here.

The only thing I see salty in this thread is Kamiya. :P ha!

What's funny is Sony fans were looking more foward to Scalebound than Lemmings. Lemmings only wanted Scalebound for ammo in the console war.

@Shewgenja: Since you love being impartial (yeah right) what happens if it's all Kamiya's fault, will you be all over him for Scalebounds demise? i think not, you'll probably make some excuse for him. How about calm your tits, take a deep breath and WAIT for the details to emerge, because you are making one side look like a monster and the other side look like a saint with no proof whatsoever.

If it is because of some BS that MS did then sure kick them in the balls because they will deserve it, but again we should wait for details to emerge, but hey fanboys gotta fanboy i guess.

It sucks that Scalebound got cancelled as it was in my top 5 games i was wanting to play this year.

I also love video games, but with a statement like yours show that you can't be impartial, and that the devs are never in the wrong. Like i said above we should wait for details to emerge before laying blame here.

Well, like I told oflow earlier in the thread. . . If you would police your own, this thread wouldn't have to happen. I don't see you putting on the glow in the dark vest and orange blinkers to play crossing guard for the lems who are absolutely throwing an established developer under the bus over this. You're saying "fanboys gotta fanboy" but in doing so, you are missing the entire point.

So, I say, System War is gonna System War. . . and you're calling me out because I've got more facts on my side than not. I did my homework. I brought the links into this conversation.

And I have more where that came from.

Why do I need to be impartial? I don't care about quarterly statements and shareholder meetings. I care about games. It doesn't matter to me who is wrong or right. I want skilled game developers to continue to make games I can enjoy. Who actually cares about the buisiness side of things? Are you also following the ins and outs of other fortune 500 companies with bated breath right now as well? I want good games to be released, I'm not worried bout Microsoft's image. I'm not actually taking a side in this. One party I care about and the other I don't.

Then get ready to pre order a Nintendo Switch.

Oh, I'm already all up in that. Can't wait! The Switch is one of the best ideas Nintendo has had since the Super Nintendo.

Both cows & lems are throwing both Platinum & MS under the bus in the Scalebound thread, but you decided to make a whole new thread and have brought no facts to this situation other then to bring situations up from the past.

The only fact here is neither you, me nor anyone else knows the details with relation to the Scalebound cancellation case, yet you felt the need to make a thread to defend a guy you clearly are fanboying over (consoles aren't exclusive to fanboys shocking i know)

What's next a MS broke Kamiya and now he's in a mental institution thread?

Fixed that for you, and you're welcome.

Kamiya is a douche.

I don't care for shareholders or this other BS you're on about. You stated above that you could never take the side of Sony or MS, so indeed you are taking sides and will side with devs because they are your heroes. All i'm saying is we should wait and see what's gone on here before we pass judgement.

@i_p_daily: If MS actually drove a developer to a break down, I'd hope to high heaven that it would be seen as big a deal as always connected 24/7 drm check ins were.

We're gamers here. We're going to care about gaming.

What to make of this considering this was mentioned well over a year ago. Thing about the Scalebound cancellation is that the game continually missed milestones and for the most part appeared to be on Platinum's back-burner for quite a long time while they worked on other games such as Bayonetta 2, and a slew of Activision licensed shovelware like Korra, Transformers, and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; yeah, don't remind me if you love Transformers and found the game awesome. Also Platinum prioritized the release of Star Fox for Wii U and now Nier Automata ahead of Scalebound. Could be MS wasn't pleased about being a last consideration when they were probably willing to shell out good money for a game from them, to be put into consideration behind Korra, Transformers, and TMNT, and even on top of that Star Fox for Wii U probably put up some red flags to worry Microsoft seeing them drop the ball on a very important Nintendo IP that they were entrusted with. And seeming that Platinum's one project they're putting the most effort and attention into happens to benefit one of MS's biggest competitors in the gaming market, namely Sony with Nier Automata, it is quite a worrying mixed bag of circumstances. Why risk propping up something the developer seems to be putting no significant effort or attention into while they're out there making generic shit for Activision, or making a seemingly great game for one competitor but also dropping the ball with a big name IP like Star Fox while they're juggling too much work? I can't blame them for calling it off.

As for Phantom Dust, it's actually still set to come out, as upscaled emulation, was announced last E3. With regard to the original cancellation, I'm still convinced there's a juicy tale here not being told people have no idea about. From the looks of it, despite what people believe, I actually think the original cancelled project had absolutely no affiliation with the game's original creator, Yukio Futatsugi. After the release of Crimson Dragon, Grounding Inc / Yukio Futatsugi was actually considering remaking this game himself, was seeking crowd source funding and seeking affiliation with a western studio as he wasn't able to use any of the crowd source networks without it. I'm actually convinced somehow the Darkside Studios project had no affiliation with him and he silently got MS to pull the plug on their work with Darkside Studios, a project I think Darkside Studios started on their own initiative, or maybe one MS solicited. Either way, I feel Yukio Futatsugi didn't want the project that was his brainchild, even if in the end MS owned the IP, to be pursued through Darkside. Yukio Futatsugi might have wanted to re-release the game, but he also had other projects he'd been mulling over. He wanted to either do Panzer Dragoon remaster or possibly a Crimson Dragon RPG (like PD Saga). Last I saw from clues written years back was that he was actually working on a project for Nintendo's next system, this all taking place before rumors of NX/Switch were ever formulating. Who knows what he's working on there, but I'd love to see something either dealing with the Panzer Dragoon IP or another Crimson Dragon game if possible. Could be he worked out something with MS to allow for the release of Phantom Dust via their emulation method in exchange for licensing rights if he already didn't have them. Either way, I've a feeling the current to-be iteration of Phantom Dust is what the original creator wanted, since the current project was said to be secretly crowd funded by internal elements within Microsoft's Xbox gaming division, but kept secret until they had something to show off, before they got the green light from Microsoft. Considering the nature of how they got initial funding, I've a feeling Yukio Futatsugi worked with MS to get what he wanted done; quite different from the other narrative going around that Microsoft was stymieing the creative endeavors of its partners.