@GreySeal9 said:
@jg4xchamp said:
Late Registration is terrific and parts of College Dropout are great. That said Kanye has always been really mediocre on the mic, he is however an excellent producer. But, some great rapper? Nah, not even close.
You are right. He is an average, often clumsy, but also often quotable MC. But he's just so willing to go that extra mile as far as the entire musical production is concerned that I can live with his limited rapping talent. I'd sure rather listen to a sonically interesting Kanye track with questionable rapping (most of Yeezus) than a song with impressive spitting but stale beats (much of Eminem's discography).
Eminem can fall off a cliff all he wants, but his production is hardly an issue. Slim Shady LP, MMLP, and Eminem Show were more than terrific in that regard, hell even his lesser albums have good production. The larger issue isn't his stale beats, it's eminem being stale in general. There were was a time when him rapping about his mom, and kim, and how he doesn't give a **** worked, and then he made the same albums, but tried to get cute with.
Then he made Recovery and MMLP2 and you realized oh okay, he had a brief window where his music had merit, and now it's like he's fishing to make a comeback.
He suffers from something similar to modern day Jay-Z. The difference is Jay-Z's change feels natural and he is aware of it all, his justification works. His best music was when Jay-Z was more raw, when he could validate being more raw, he wasn't the juggernaut that he is today. So naturally all his music today is I'm the shit, i'm rich, I'm a business god in the hip hop scene, etc, etc. You don't have to like it, but you can respect that Jay-Z's evolution makes sense and is validated. Eminem's evolution was a product of him fishing because he's creatively deprived.
That said we're taking Em's best tracks vs Kanye, I'll take Eminem's work any day of the week. The Way I am is legit fantastic, ditto for Criminal, ditto for the over abused Till I Colapse, ditto for his beef tracks like canibitch, maria carey diss, nail in the coffin, or his verses on renegade or the sheer greatness that is hellbound. Kanye post college dropout? No thank you. Kanye can be "imaginative" and "forward thinking" all he wants, he sucks.
Must be a chicago thing, they got weak rappers.
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