Kaz hirai: no more cheap prices, expect no compromises

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

All these people Crying about a possibly expensive PS4, and I say really? These idiots buy an I-Pad for $530 thats completely obsolete in 6 months to a year and in 2 to 3 years wont even run the latest apps in the app store and you guys cry about a console that has had a history of a 10 year life cycle? Name the last apple product you bought for $600 that lasted you 10 years none of you can because theres not any.

MirkoS77

News flash for you the PS3 will stil have games come out for it for probalby a bout 3 more years thats where I got 10 years from.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You are both morons, people blabbler about how great Samsungs tv's are yet you can buy a HX850 wich beat Samsung on nearly every website when it came to PQ and it cost the same price as the top tier Samsung yet blows it away from a picture quality standpoint. Let alone Vizio and LG who are even futher behind. Just because you cant afford Sony doesnt mean the cheaper stuff is better thats what all the poor kids do to make themselves feel better.

Ps. BR PQ brings digital to absolute shame.

NVIDIATI

No it doesnt, Plasmaphobes are so delsional its sad. Sorry but when you watch tv somewhere other then mommys basement you are better off with a LED. And the HX950 beats the ST50 in about every conceviable way, the only reason it wont get as good reviews as a ST50 is price to performance ratio which at $3200 is not going to justify the diffrence.

6 posts in a row doing free advertising for sony. i don't think i've ever seen a sony loyalist nutcase like this one. :lol:

6 posts in a row doing free advertising for sony. i don't think i've ever seen a sony loyalist nutcase like this one. :lol:

KarateeeChop

No I responded to the nonsense before it, and you are one of about 10 raging MS fanboys that post on every anti Sony thread.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

I thought the smiley face gave it away I wasn't serious. :)

Anyway, I don't care. I love Sony products. If they start making high-end stuff again, than it's for the better. To me getting a Sony is like a quality guarantee. They have never let me down since I was a kid to this day. Every time I've had a TV or something from someone else i've regretted it. Had a Philips CRT TV, kinda sucked. Have a Panasonic LCD and their answer to dealing with the LCD gamma problem is eye burning brightness with the white levels. Yet I have a couple Sony LCDs and they're great.

AM-Gamer

Um no it doesnt, In blacklevels in overall picture quality a HX950 are still superior and if you put those plasmas in any kind of room with light in it they look like trash. I love how plasmaphobes always leave that out in there comparisons. There is a reason LED outsells Plasma and its simply because Plasmas dont hold up in normal living conditions. In 9 out of 10 households the Sony LED is going to look superior .

Black levels on the HX950 will ALWAYS be washed out by the local dimming backlight. Keep in mind the local dimming backlight is NOT one-to-one with each pixel. If anything Plasma does better in normal living conditions, and the conditions that a consumer views LCD/LED displays found in most stores such as Best Buy are artificial.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Panasonic is known for their plasma displays, not LCDs. Their $1000 ST50 plasma beats out Sony's top of the line $3200 HX950 LCD/LED. As for future Sony products, they're in a partnership for manufacturing OLED displays with Panasonic.

NVIDIATI

Um no it doesnt, In blacklevels in overall picture quality a HX950 are still superior and if you put those plasmas in any kind of room with light in it they look like trash. I love how plasmaphobes always leave that out in there comparisons. There is a reason LED outsells Plasma and its simply because Plasmas dont hold up in normal living conditions. In 9 out of 10 households the Sony LED is going to look superior .

Black levels on the HX950 will ALWAYS be washed out by the local dimming backlight. Keep in mind the local dimming backlight is NOT one-to-one with each pixel. If anything Plasma does better in normal living conditions, and the conditions that a consumer views LCD/LED displays found in most stores such as Best Buy are artificial.

Read the reviews are better yet do side by side comparisons, When it comes to tv's im far from uniformed I assure you. Full array lit LED TV's can beat any plasma on black levels and thats a fact. The Sony HX950 and the Sharp ELite are two examples. Washed out blacks come from bad local dimming, hell even the Edge lit HX850 produces Plasma like blacks. The areas in the plasma is superior is off angle viewing and less cross talk as the technology of an LED will not allow it to compete with a Plasma in those areas. But as I said before any room that has any Natural light whatsoever the LED will beat the Plasma time and time again as a Plasma is not capable of producing enough ight to maintain its picture quality, regardless most people dont spend the money required to by an expensive LED that can compete with Plasmas

Regardless it realy comes to prefrence , some are going to like Plasmas some are going to like LED but comparing Panasonic and Sony for the most part is pointless as one makes the best Plasma and the other makes the best LED. My point is if you like LED which for my needs its better Sony makes the best.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

6 posts in a row doing free advertising for sony. i don't think i've ever seen a sony loyalist nutcase like this one. :lol:

AM-Gamer

No I responded to the nonsense before it, and you are one of about 10 raging MS fanboys that post on every anti Sony thread.

you freak out at anything people say about sony and made 6 butthurt posts in a row, and now you accuse someone else of raging.

:lol:

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

6 posts in a row doing free advertising for sony. i don't think i've ever seen a sony loyalist nutcase like this one. :lol:

KarateeeChop

No I responded to the nonsense before it, and you are one of about 10 raging MS fanboys that post on every anti Sony thread.

you freak out at anything people say about sony and made 6 butthurt posts in a row, and now you accuse someone else of raging.

:lol:

There was nothing I said that eaked of butthurt, if you wanna see buthurt go look at your post from when you found out the Xbox fell to 3rd place in WW sales. Now that was some butthurt.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

No I responded to the nonsense before it, and you are one of about 10 raging MS fanboys that post on every anti Sony thread.

AM-Gamer

you freak out at anything people say about sony and made 6 butthurt posts in a row, and now you accuse someone else of raging.

:lol:

There was nothing I said that eaked of butthurt, if you wanna see buthurt go look at your post from when you found out the Xbox fell to 3rd place in WW sales. Now that was some butthurt.

oh? can you find me the post you're talking about? because my very first post in the thread was to congratulate sony on the achievement. and then i realized that the op was just trolling the weak-minded sony loyalists like you who would convince themselves of any lies they can think of just to make it seem like your precious ps3 has finally crawled out of last place.

btw, you called me a ms fanboy, and yet i've never said anything nice about ms on sw.

it's sad that you have to continuously make stuff up, about sony and about other users. i don't know how you sony loyalists ended up like this, but it sure is entertaining. :)

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Um no it doesnt, In blacklevels in overall picture quality a HX950 are still superior and if you put those plasmas in any kind of room with light in it they look like trash. I love how plasmaphobes always leave that out in there comparisons. There is a reason LED outsells Plasma and its simply because Plasmas dont hold up in normal living conditions. In 9 out of 10 households the Sony LED is going to look superior .

AM-Gamer

Black levels on the HX950 will ALWAYS be washed out by the local dimming backlight. Keep in mind the local dimming backlight is NOT one-to-one with each pixel. If anything Plasma does better in normal living conditions, and the conditions that a consumer views LCD/LED displays found in most stores such as Best Buy are artificial.

Read the reviews are better yet do side by side comparisons, When it comes to tv's im far from uniformed I assure you. Full array lit LED TV's can beat any plasma on black levels and thats a fact. The Sony HX950 and the Sharp ELite are two examples. Washed out blacks come from bad local dimming, hell even the Edge lit HX850 produces Plasma like blacks. The areas in the plasma is superior is off angle viewing and less cross talk as the technology of an LED will not allow it to compete with a Plasma in those areas. But as I said before any room that has any Natural light whatsoever the LED will beat the Plasma time and time again as a Plasma is not capable of producing enough ight to maintain its picture quality, regardless most people dont spend the money required to by an expensive LED that can compete with Plasmas

Regardless it realy comes to prefrence , some are going to like Plasmas some are going to like LED but comparing Panasonic and Sony for the most part is pointless as one makes the best Plasma and the other makes the best LED. My point is if you like LED which for my needs its better Sony makes the best.

The problem here still lies that the current display technologies stopped advancing in 2008 and have still been playing catch-up. So far, only OLED can offer that true PQ in a post-Kuro market.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]This is just silly, you're trolling me or you're horribly uniformed...

Black levels on the HX950 will ALWAYS be washed out by the local dimming backlight. Keep in mind the local dimming backlight is NOT one-to-one with each pixel. If anything Plasma does better in normal living conditions, and the conditions that a consumer views LCD/LED displays found in most stores such as Best Buy are artificial.

NVIDIATI

Read the reviews are better yet do side by side comparisons, When it comes to tv's im far from uniformed I assure you. Full array lit LED TV's can beat any plasma on black levels and thats a fact. The Sony HX950 and the Sharp ELite are two examples. Washed out blacks come from bad local dimming, hell even the Edge lit HX850 produces Plasma like blacks. The areas in the plasma is superior is off angle viewing and less cross talk as the technology of an LED will not allow it to compete with a Plasma in those areas. But as I said before any room that has any Natural light whatsoever the LED will beat the Plasma time and time again as a Plasma is not capable of producing enough ight to maintain its picture quality, regardless most people dont spend the money required to by an expensive LED that can compete with Plasmas

Regardless it realy comes to prefrence , some are going to like Plasmas some are going to like LED but comparing Panasonic and Sony for the most part is pointless as one makes the best Plasma and the other makes the best LED. My point is if you like LED which for my needs its better Sony makes the best.

The problem here still lies that the current display technologies stopped advancing in 2008 and have still been playing catch-up. So far, only OLED can offer that true PQ in a post-Kuro market.

Thats because for most consumers there going to sacrafice a 5% diffrencein PQ at best over a 80% better design. As great as the Kuro picture looks it would take a robot to notice the diffrences between the Kuro, Elite and HX950. Other then the fact the Kuro is horribly bulky by todays standards and unless TV makers want to sacrafice far better style for a marginal diffrence in PQ that will never happen. Although I do agree 4k OLED will be the the true next gen TV set which it seems both Sony and Panasonic wll be very similar.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

you freak out at anything people say about sony and made 6 butthurt posts in a row, and now you accuse someone else of raging.

:lol:

KarateeeChop

There was nothing I said that eaked of butthurt, if you wanna see buthurt go look at your post from when you found out the Xbox fell to 3rd place in WW sales. Now that was some butthurt.

oh? can you find me the post you're talking about? because my very first post in the thread was to congratulate sony on the achievement. and then i realized that the op was just trolling the weak-minded sony loyalists like you who would convince themselves of any lies they can think of just to make it seem like your precious ps3 has finally crawled out of last place.

btw, you called me a ms fanboy, and yet i've never said anything nice about ms on sw.

it's sad that you have to continuously make stuff up, about sony and about other users. i don't know how you sony loyalists ended up like this, but it sure is entertaining. :)

Your post reaks of butthurt and how is he trolling Sony loyalist whent he article headlinged every gamign website and MS didnt even respond to it , you know why? Because they know its true as they did was brag about NA sales because they got lost WW shipments which is consoles sold to retailers which is how companys track there data. There was nothing trolling about it , its a stonecold fact that you are still buthurt about and cant deal with.

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

There was nothing I said that eaked of butthurt, if you wanna see buthurt go look at your post from when you found out the Xbox fell to 3rd place in WW sales. Now that was some butthurt.

AM-Gamer

oh? can you find me the post you're talking about? because my very first post in the thread was to congratulate sony on the achievement. and then i realized that the op was just trolling the weak-minded sony loyalists like you who would convince themselves of any lies they can think of just to make it seem like your precious ps3 has finally crawled out of last place.

btw, you called me a ms fanboy, and yet i've never said anything nice about ms on sw.

it's sad that you have to continuously make stuff up, about sony and about other users. i don't know how you sony loyalists ended up like this, but it sure is entertaining. :)

Your post reaks of butthurt and how is he trolling Sony loyalist whent he article headlinged every gamign website and MS didnt even respond to it , you know why? Because they know its true as they did was brag about NA sales because they got lost WW shipments which is consoles sold to retailers which is how companys track there data. There was nothing trolling about it , its a stonecold fact that you are still buthurt about and cant deal with.

the sad thing about you is that you actually started believing your own lies, and whoever points out a fact that contradicts your lies you will call them butthurt. i don't know if i can help you. :(

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="KarateeeChop"]

oh? can you find me the post you're talking about? because my very first post in the thread was to congratulate sony on the achievement. and then i realized that the op was just trolling the weak-minded sony loyalists like you who would convince themselves of any lies they can think of just to make it seem like your precious ps3 has finally crawled out of last place.

btw, you called me a ms fanboy, and yet i've never said anything nice about ms on sw.

it's sad that you have to continuously make stuff up, about sony and about other users. i don't know how you sony loyalists ended up like this, but it sure is entertaining. :)

KarateeeChop

Your post reaks of butthurt and how is he trolling Sony loyalist whent he article headlinged every gamign website and MS didnt even respond to it , you know why? Because they know its true as they did was brag about NA sales because they got lost WW shipments which is consoles sold to retailers which is how companys track there data. There was nothing trolling about it , its a stonecold fact that you are still buthurt about and cant deal with.

the sad thing about you is that you actually started believing your own lies, and whoever points out a fact that contradicts your lies you will call them butthurt. i don't know if i can help you. :(

Tell me how that lie is when they release there reports in March.

Other then the fact the Kuro is horribly bulky by todays standards and unless TV makers want to sacrafice far better style for a marginal diffrence in PQ that will never happen. AM-Gamer

These are TVs we're talking about, not a phone or tablet, they sit on a stand or they sit on a wall...

The reason companies still haven't exceeded the PQ is due to the fact that Panasonic purchased Pioneer's patents and likely couldn't afford to implement the technology. Meanwhile if Pioneer had remained on the market, the ECC technology (zero black on a plasma display), would have been the heart of a 10th or 11th generation plasma display. If ECC made it to market late 2009, OLED's impact would not have been as large.

The pricing thing seems to be about their TV department.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"] Other then the fact the Kuro is horribly bulky by todays standards and unless TV makers want to sacrafice far better style for a marginal diffrence in PQ that will never happen. NVIDIATI

These are TVs we're talking about, not a phone or tablet, they sit on a stand or they sit on a wall...

The reason companies still haven't exceeded the PQ is due to the fact that Panasonic purchased Pioneer's patents and likely couldn't afford to implement the technology. Meanwhile if Pioneer had remained on the market, the ECC technology (zero black on a plasma display), would have been the heart of a 10th or 11th generation plasma display. If ECC made it to market late 2009, OLED's impact would not have been as large.

To the general public though that matters, keep in mind edge lit LED's sale more then local dimming as they are thinner and cheaper, why do you think Samsung and LG sale so well despite being worse then there Japanease rivals in PQ. Its because there bezels are generally thinner and they are slightly cheaper. If they kept that pattent the TV's would still be in the $6000.00 range and its beter to spend the development cost on OLED which is going to be far superior anyway. Hopefully OLED will bring Sony and Panasonic back to where they belong which is number 1 because as far as quality goes they never left the top spot.

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

All these people Crying about a possibly expensive PS4, and I say really? These idiots buy an I-Pad for $530 thats completely obsolete in 6 months to a year and in 2 to 3 years wont even run the latest apps in the app store and you guys cry about a console that has had a history of a 10 year life cycle? Name the last apple product you bought for $600 that lasted you 10 years none of you can because theres not any.

AM-Gamer

News flash for you the PS3 will stil have games come out for it for probalby a bout 3 more years thats where I got 10 years from.

Sony, you are not Apple. You cannot get away with charging top dollar.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Sony, you are not Apple. You cannot get away with charging top dollar.

AM-Gamer

So you like overpriced garbage with 400% markup on devices that are obsolete in 6 months , hmmm interesting.

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

You are both morons, people blabbler about how great Samsungs tv's are yet you can buy a HX850 wich beat Samsung on nearly every website when it came to PQ and it cost the same price as the top tier Samsung yet blows it away from a picture quality standpoint. Let alone Vizio and LG who are even futher behind. Just because you cant afford Sony doesnt mean the cheaper stuff is better thats what all the poor kids do to make themselves feel better.

Ps. BR PQ brings digital to absolute shame.

AM-Gamer

Im sorry but in terms of quality Sony beats Samsung year after year. Panasonic Plasmas are the only ones that can hold up in PQ and thats if you like watching everything ina complete black room. from a sales standpoint Panasonic is in 5th place and lost nearly 9 billion dollars last year.

if $599 wasnt a cheap price, then I down want to see what sony believe as a fair price. could hurt them in the first few years too

If they go cheap with crappy hardware, it will be similar to Nintendo's way of things.
Which I rather not have and have something to goes further and better for a home entertainment console system.
No doubt it will sell less due to affordability especially when you have a cheaper 720 on the shelf.

I don't expect it to be cheap like a high spec PC would be too.

tsk tsk

If true I guess I'll go full PC next gen

Vatusus

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] Panasonic is the rock and Samsung is the hard place that Sony televisions are in between. Seriously, Sony makes nice tv's, but they are not the best. If your product is going to cost more, it should either be clearly better than the competition, or it needs the kind of hype that Apple generates. I do think the PS3 is a better value than the Xbox because it costs less after paying for Xbox live and I like the blu ray format. The average consumer doesn't think like that, though. They just see a superior game console in the Xbox at a lower price than the PS3.delta3074

Im sorry but in terms of quality Sony beats Samsung year after year. Panasonic Plasmas are the only ones that can hold up in PQ and thats if you like watching everything ina complete black room. from a sales standpoint Panasonic is in 5th place and lost nearly 9 billion dollars last year.

You can buy a 55inch HX850 for under $2k wich is about the same price as the top of the line Samsung LED and it outperforms it in just about every major area. The only tv's that are ridiculously expensive are the full array with local dimming sets which for most are not worth the extra cost.

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Sony, you are not Apple. You cannot get away with charging top dollar.

AM-Gamer

So you like overpriced garbage with 400% markup on devices that are obsolete in 6 months , hmmm interesting.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Im sorry but in terms of quality Sony beats Samsung year after year. Panasonic Plasmas are the only ones that can hold up in PQ and thats if you like watching everything ina complete black room. from a sales standpoint Panasonic is in 5th place and lost nearly 9 billion dollars last year.

AM-Gamer

You can buy a 55inch HX850 for under $2k wich is about the same price as the top of the line Samsung LED and it outperforms it in just about every major area. The only tv's that are ridiculously expensive are the full array with local dimming sets which for most are not worth the extra cost.

Dont care if the PS4 is $1000, day 1. Heil68

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]But SONY's TV's are not better enough to justify the Extra cost is what he is saying, yes they are better but twice the Price better? no.delta3074

You can buy a 55inch HX850 for under $2k wich is about the same price as the top of the line Samsung LED and it outperforms it in just about every major area. The only tv's that are ridiculously expensive are the full array with local dimming sets which for most are not worth the extra cost.

Those are extremely low end televisions, Sony cannot comepete in that area as I said before they can never build a tv as cheap as the Chinease or Korean Manufactures. That is the whole point of this thread as Sony will most likely not even make these models anymore.

I just purchased a HX850 and I couldnt be more pleased.

SEVEN HUNDRED NINETY NINE US DOLLARS.

What? You're telling me that the PS3 and the Vita were "cheaping out"? They were the most expensive systems on launch of their kind. And I thought that wasridiculous.

damn, you idiots just dont read....

A push for 4k resolution is looking more and more likely.

balance the gamig division and Tv's in one fell swoop.