Key franchises that will help the ps3...

Many here are constantly pointing out that the ps3 has a piss-poor selection of games, and are saying that the ps3 has and will always have horrible sales because people will always be "waiting" for the ps3s games to come out.According to them, all the games currently in development for the ps3 will, apparently,never actually come out.

Well, this is partially true. RIGHT NOW, the ps3 has almost no games whatsoever, a $600 pricetag, and thus horrible sales. However, these games WILL eventually make there way to store shelves, and there are a hell of a lot of them in the works.

As far as games go, there is one major advantage that the ps3 has over the 360 that will help pick up it's sales tremendously over the next few years - well established franchises. Many of these franchises sold very well on the ps2, and have gathered quite a following - the majority of which i assume have yet to move on to the next generation of consoles. When the next iterations of these franchises start to come out, and people in general start to really embrace the next generation, these fanbases will probably jump to the ps3.

Here's a list of all the notable franchises from the ps2 that are still ps3 exclusive, ranked in order of average sales from highest to lowest:

Gran Turismo
Final Fantasy (the next primary installment in the series is exclusive, if nothing else)
Metal Gear Solid
Tekken
Socom
Ratchet & Clank
God of War
Everybody's Golf (AKA Hot Shots Golf)

And here are other franchises that have also sold over 1 mil. each. However, the next iteration of each series is only rumored to be in the works at this time. These are also ordered by number of sales:

Jak & Daxter
Twisted Metal
Ape Escape
Sly Cooper

And then for the more hardcore of us, there is also the next game in the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus realm, from the legendary Team Ico.

With all of these great franchises in the works for the ps3, along with dozens of new IPs, including some from these same developers (Naughty Dog - J&D/Uncharted, Insomniac - R&C/Resistance), how can anyone think that the ps3 will always sell poorly, to the end of its days?

Things will pick up for the ps3, and it will begin over these next few months. The ps3 will be almost in full stride come the Fall, especially if a price drop hits before the holidays (which Sony would be mad not to do, given the current state of things).

people dont like good threads, they ignore my E3 thread too :(

i agree, the PS3 is far from out, it just needs some time

R-Dot-Yung

Yeah, it will do very well in the end.

Which e3 thread was that, might i ask?

Those games will help sales for sure, but I have a feeling that by the time the really big titles are out (namely FF and GT) it'll be too little too late. The 360 has a huge lineup for the remainder of 2007 which along with a price cut (which should happen this year) it'll get a big sales boost, and the Wii is well... the Wii. I'm sure the PS3 will be successful, just not as much as the competition.

Those games will help sales for sure, but I have a feeling that by the time the really big titles are out (namely FF and GT) it'll be too little too late. The 360 has a huge lineup for the remainder of 2007 which along with a price cut (which should happen this year) it'll get a big sales boost, and the Wii is well... the Wii. I'm sure the PS3 will be successful, just not as much as the competition.

pundog

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

[QUOTE="pundog"]

Those games will help sales for sure, but I have a feeling that by the time the really big titles are out (namely FF and GT) it'll be too little too late. The 360 has a huge lineup for the remainder of 2007 which along with a price cut (which should happen this year) it'll get a big sales boost, and the Wii is well... the Wii. I'm sure the PS3 will be successful, just not as much as the competition.

makingmusic476

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

New IP's?

What a horrible thing!

I mean why would we want something NEW and FRESH instead of the SAME OLD SAME OLD!

Seems like the 360 has new IP's that sell at least 1 million copies and I am sure they have a huge list for 08 that noone even knows about.

I prefer new over old and cheap anyday of the week!

The ps3 also has a slew of new IPs (in addition to R&C5 and possibly MGS4)coming this Holiday, and it's definately enough to get by. When most of these series begin to hit (throughtout 08), i don't know if the 360 will have anything but a handfulof new IPs to compete, unless NG2 or Gears 2 come outby then. And even NG2 may nto be exclusive.

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

makingmusic476

It may do alright in other regions, but I highly doubt it will get high sales in the US. The US population tends to be very price sensitive, and the PS3 has competitors priced at 42% and 67% of the PS3's cost. It simply needs a price drop in that region if it wants to maintain it's older brother's market share.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="pundog"]

Those games will help sales for sure, but I have a feeling that by the time the really big titles are out (namely FF and GT) it'll be too little too late. The 360 has a huge lineup for the remainder of 2007 which along with a price cut (which should happen this year) it'll get a big sales boost, and the Wii is well... the Wii. I'm sure the PS3 will be successful, just not as much as the competition.

cjnwo4life

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

New IP's?

What a horrible thing!

I mean why would we want something NEW and FRESH instead of the SAME OLD SAME OLD!

Seems like the 360 has new IP's that sell at least 1 million copies and I am sure they have a huge list for 08 that noone even knows about.

I prefer new over old and cheap anyday of the week!

I'm talking about games that will really help sell systems here. Shadow of the Colossus, as great as it was, didn't sell very well at all, because it was a new IP that almost nobody but hardcore gamers had heard of.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

The ps3 also has a slew of new IPs (in addition to R&C5 and possibly MGS4)coming this Holiday, and it's definately enough to get by. When most of these series begin to hit (throughtout 08), i don't know if the 360 will have anything but a handfulof new IPs to compete, unless NG2 or Gears 2 come outby then. And even NG2 may nto be exclusive.

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

mattbbpl

It may do alright in other regions, but I highly doubt it will get high sales in the US. The US population tends to be very price sensitive, and the PS3 has competitors priced at 42% and 67% of the PS3's cost. It simply needs a price drop in that region if it wants to maintain it's older brother's market share.

really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. alfy13

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. marklarmer

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="pundog"]

Those games will help sales for sure, but I have a feeling that by the time the really big titles are out (namely FF and GT) it'll be too little too late. The 360 has a huge lineup for the remainder of 2007 which along with a price cut (which should happen this year) it'll get a big sales boost, and the Wii is well... the Wii. I'm sure the PS3 will be successful, just not as much as the competition.

makingmusic476

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

New IP's?

What a horrible thing!

I mean why would we want something NEW and FRESH instead of the SAME OLD SAME OLD!

Seems like the 360 has new IP's that sell at least 1 million copies and I am sure they have a huge list for 08 that noone even knows about.

I prefer new over old and cheap anyday of the week!

I'm talking about games that will really help sell systems here. Shadow of the Colossus, as great as it was, didn't sell very well at all, because it was a new IP that almost nobody but hardcore gamers had heard of.

That is one difference between Microsoft and Sony, Microsoft can get behind a game and market the hell out of it while Sony doesn't really do much in terms of marketing games. Look how Microsoft advertised Gears of War in NA(like you already mentioned) and Blue Dragon in Japan. Sure the sales of Blue Dragon weren't shattering, but Microsoft still did a huge job with the marketing of it.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="cjnwo4life"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="pundog"]

Those games will help sales for sure, but I have a feeling that by the time the really big titles are out (namely FF and GT) it'll be too little too late. The 360 has a huge lineup for the remainder of 2007 which along with a price cut (which should happen this year) it'll get a big sales boost, and the Wii is well... the Wii. I'm sure the PS3 will be successful, just not as much as the competition.

spinecaton

Halo 3 is the 360's only really big exclusive. The ps3 has at least three, in the form of GT5, MGS4, and FFXIII, two of which won't be out until next year, when the 360 has nothing but new IPs. GT3 sold 15 mil. and GT4 sold 7 mil. MGS and the more recent FFs tend to get 4-5 mil. a piece. How can the lone Halo compete?

New IP's?

What a horrible thing!

I mean why would we want something NEW and FRESH instead of the SAME OLD SAME OLD!

Seems like the 360 has new IP's that sell at least 1 million copies and I am sure they have a huge list for 08 that noone even knows about.

I prefer new over old and cheap anyday of the week!

I'm talking about games that will really help sell systems here. Shadow of the Colossus, as great as it was, didn't sell very well at all, because it was a new IP that almost nobody but hardcore gamers had heard of.

That is one difference between Microsoft and Sony, Microsoft can get behind a game and market the hell out of it while Sony doesn't really do much in terms of marketing games. Look how Microsoft advertised Gears of War in NA(like you already mentioned) and Blue Dragon in Japan. Sure the sales of Blue Dragon weren't shattering, but Microsoft still did a huge job with the marketing of it.

btw you put that TVR sargis to shame :(

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. marklarmer

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

They aren't the only games they'll get for the system, but they are the major one's that will push them over the edge.

That's like saying nobody bought a 360 just for Gears/Halo. They did, knowing that there would be other games they'd want too.

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. marklarmer

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

GT5 BABY!

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. Ibacai

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. makingmusic476

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

It would be suicidal to drop the price, they re still losing money on each ps3 sold man...

Wait one more year...

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. R-Dot-Yung

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

Yes

So you think a couple good games are worth 400 dollars?

cmon people that argument is so dam lame

a year and a half ago yeah, when there were only a couple good games on the 360.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="alfy13"]really good post tc. i have friends who are only going to buy the ps3 when certain games drop such as GT5, MGS, FF because they are fans of the franchise. AgentA-Mi6

So they think a couple of good games are worth$600?

It would be suicidal to drop the price, they re still losing money on each ps3 sold man...

Wait one more year...

Sony is in a much better position to cut costs for the ps3 than MS is with the 360. MS is using normal technology that won't really benefit from economy of scale or mass production. However, technologies such as the Cell and Blu-Ray will. Blu-ray diodes cost $125 a pop when the ps3 launched, butare nowdown to the$8 mark (this is shown in the drastic price drop of standalone BR players). Also, Sony is outsourcing production of the Cell to China to cut cost, and removed the EE+GS from every new ps3 in production, switching over to software emulation for BC. Combine that with the normal drop in cost of parts due to mass production (things like the case, ram, psu,etc.) and the price is dropping very very fast, making a price drop quite feasible later this year.

Not too mention, Sony NEEDS a price drop.