Killlzone 2 - have PS owners been deprived of decent FPS's?

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"][QUOTE="poptart"]

So when I play GRAW and I switch between first and third person perspective its a differant genre? No not even a differant game!!!?? But a whole differnt genre in itself!!!!!!!!!!!!???????? Well bugger me backwards... You learn something differant every day..................

poptart

I played GRAW in first person perspective. I did a little in 3rd also. My point mentioning GRAW was that by your own definition I played the sames game but in 2 differant genres. Am i wrong?

But the main viewpoint of the game is 3rd person. You have the choice to change it, but the developers made it from a 3rd person perspective thus it be called a TPS.

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"] Where did I mention GRAW? You're just clutching at straws now. GeoW is in third person for the entire game, so how is it a first person shooter? jfcundiff

I played GRAW in first person perspective. I did a little in 3rd also. My point mentioning GRAW was that by your own definition I played the sames game but in 2 differant genres. Am i wrong?

But the main viewpoint of the game is 3rd person. You have the choice to change it, but the developers made it from a 3rd person perspective thus it be called a TPS.

Main viewpoint of the game or not - changing it it doesn't alter its genre. It's still the same game for f**ks sake

Not really, Reststance, and then 2, COD4 and 5, R6V and 2, most of them multiplat, but still good sahooters.

Killzone 2 is being hyped since its the best looking console game to date, and the gameplay looks stunning. The F)PS cover system is sooo cool.

Killzone 2 is a MUST have for FPS lovers, much like gears 2 is a kucst have for TPS lovers.

I played GRAW in first person perspective. I did a little in 3rd also. My point mentioning GRAW was that by your own definition I played the sames game but in 2 differant genres. Am i wrong?

But the main viewpoint of the game is 3rd person. You have the choice to change it, but the developers made it from a 3rd person perspective thus it be called a TPS.

Main viewpoint of the game or not - changing it it doesn't alter its genre. It's still the same game for f**ks sake

The N64 had Goldeneye, Turok and Perfect Dark.

The xbox had Halo and Riddick.

The 360 of course has GeoW

The PC has had more than its fair share of FPS's.

Is the hype around Killzone 2 from PS owners really born out of the fact they've rarely experienced a decent FPS, or is it deservedly hyped as a benchmark in console gaming?

poptart

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"]

But the main viewpoint of the game is 3rd person. You have the choice to change it, but the developers made it from a 3rd person perspective thus it be called a TPS.

jfcundiff

Main viewpoint of the game or not - changing it it doesn't alter its genre. It's still the same game for f**ks sake

FIRST PERSON and THIRD PERSON does not define an genre.. Get over yourself, They define a viewpoint.

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Resistance 2 /threadpoptart

My point exactly! I hope KZ2 will be great, although I can't help but feel this exagerated hype is precisely because of the reason you've mentioned - 10 years of PS yet the only relevant FPS is one released within the last month or so.

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"] GeoW also isn't an FPS. Try again. campzor

Oh I'm sorry. We'll move the camera 3 feet from the protagonists head and call it differnt genre shall we?

Genres are not defined by where the camera is placed. We both know that.

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="poptart"]

Main viewpoint of the game or not - changing it it doesn't alter its genre. It's still the same game for f**ks sake

poptart

FIRST PERSON and THIRD PERSON does not define an genre.. Get over yourself, They define a viewpoint.

You have a shooter genre which is made up of a bunch of sub-genres which include FPS, TPS, tatical shooters, light gun shooters, etc.

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="Stumpt25"]Resistance 2 /threadeklineage

My point exactly! I hope KZ2 will be great, although I can't help but feel this exagerated hype is precisely because of the reason you've mentioned - 10 years of PS yet the only relevant FPS is one released within the last month or so.

'A lot of console gamers are PC gamers as well?' I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"] Yes it does. That is why there is a genre called FPS and TPS. Get over it!jfcundiff

FIRST PERSON and THIRD PERSON does not define an genre.. Get over yourself, They define a viewpoint.

You have a shooter genre which is made up of a bunch of sub-genres which include FPS, TPS, tatical shooters, light gun shooters, etc.

A light gun shooter such as HOTD is vastly different from GRAW, R2 and halo - we both know that. Halo 3 is played in first and third perspective for a start. I'm not playing in a differant genre when I get into a vehicle in Halo 3 am I now? No. MGS4 is a differant genre I agree, but it's not principally defined by the angle of the camera is it now.... Otherwise we'd define pacman as a 'top-down gobble-em-up' wouldn't we?

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"][QUOTE="poptart"]

GeoW isn't a bad place to start :|

poptart

Oh I'm sorry. We'll move the camera 3 feet from the protagonists head and call it differnt genre shall we?

The N64 had Goldeneye, Turok and Perfect Dark.

The xbox had Halo and Riddick.

The 360 of course has GeoW

The PC has had more than its fair share of FPS's.

Is the hype around Killzone 2 from PS owners really born out of the fact they've rarely experienced a decent FPS, or is it deservedly hyped as a benchmark in console gaming?

The N64 had Goldeneye, Turok and Perfect Dark.

The xbox had Halo and Riddick.

The 360 of course has GeoW

Is the hype around Killzone 2 from PS owners really born out of the fact they've rarely experienced a decent FPS, or is it deservedly hyped as a benchmark in console gaming?

poptart

First of all, GeoW is NOT FPS.

PSOne got one of the greatest Exclusive FPS in it's day, MEDAL OF HONOR!Medal of Honor was fabulous, and created on PSONE!

PS2 had RedFaction1, Timesplitters1 and the series (Creators of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, HELLO!), Medal of Honor Series, Call of Duty series , and of course the sequels

PS3 has Resistance, COD4, Resistance 2, etc. Killzone 2, may or may not rock, but we will see. Killzone wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't great.

Does Xbox get MORE? Sure, but PS Owners haven't been DEPRIVED at all.

FIRST PERSON and THIRD PERSON does not define an genre.. Get over yourself, They define a viewpoint.

You have a shooter genre which is made up of a bunch of sub-genres which include FPS, TPS, tatical shooters, light gun shooters, etc.

A light gun shooter such as HOTD is vastly different from GRAW, R2 and halo - we both know that. Halo 3 is played in first and third perspective for a start. I'm not playing in a differant genre when I get into a vehicle in Halo 3 am I now? No. MGS4 is a differant genre I agree, but it's not principally defined by the angle of the camera is it now.... Otherwise we'd define pacman as a 'top-down gobble-em-up' wouldn't we?

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"] GeoW also isn't an FPS. Try again. jhcho2

Oh I'm sorry. We'll move the camera 3 feet from the protagonists head and call it differnt genre shall we?

RE and GeoW are miles apart for reasons not related to the angle of the camera. Do you really think playing GeoW in a first person perspective would have altered its genre? It's like playing GT4 with the camera either in-car or out-car - it's still the same game. As for Mass Effect, by your definition its a TPS right? Like GeoW right...

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"]

You have a shooter genre which is made up of a bunch of sub-genres which include FPS, TPS, tatical shooters, light gun shooters, etc.

jfcundiff

A light gun shooter such as HOTD is vastly different from GRAW, R2 and halo - we both know that. Halo 3 is played in first and third perspective for a start. I'm not playing in a differant genre when I get into a vehicle in Halo 3 am I now? No. MGS4 is a differant genre I agree, but it's not principally defined by the angle of the camera is it now.... Otherwise we'd define pacman as a 'top-down gobble-em-up' wouldn't we?

Yes, but by your definition then that short period of time in Halo when you jump in a vehicle alters the entire genre of the game. The Genre. You know and I know that's rubbish.

[QUOTE="poptart"]

The N64 had Goldeneye, Turok and Perfect Dark.

The xbox had Halo and Riddick.

The 360 of course has GeoW

Is the hype around Killzone 2 from PS owners really born out of the fact they've rarely experienced a decent FPS, or is it deservedly hyped as a benchmark in console gaming?

SolidTy

First of all, GeoW is NOT FPS.

PSOne got one of the greatest Exclusive FPS in it's day, MEDAL OF HONOR!Medal of Honor was fabulous, and created on PSONE!

PS2 had RedFaction1, Timesplitters1 and the series (Creators of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, HELLO!), Medal of Honor Series, Call of Duty series , and of course the sequels

PS3 has Resistance, COD4, Resistance 2, etc. Killzone 2, may or may not rock, but we will see. Killzone wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't great.

Does Xbox get MORE? Sure, but PS Owners haven't been DEPRIVED at all.

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="poptart"]

A light gun shooter such as HOTD is vastly different from GRAW, R2 and halo - we both know that. Halo 3 is played in first and third perspective for a start. I'm not playing in a differant genre when I get into a vehicle in Halo 3 am I now? No. MGS4 is a differant genre I agree, but it's not principally defined by the angle of the camera is it now.... Otherwise we'd define pacman as a 'top-down gobble-em-up' wouldn't we?

poptart

Yes, but by your definition then that short period of time in Halo when you jump in a vehicle alters the entire genre of the game. The Genre. You know and I know that's rubbish.

No it does not. Games like Gears or GRAW are TPS. The Halos, R2, KZ2, CSS, HL, etc are first person shooters.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="poptart"]

The N64 had Goldeneye, Turok and Perfect Dark.

The xbox had Halo and Riddick.

The 360 of course has GeoW

Is the hype around Killzone 2 from PS owners really born out of the fact they've rarely experienced a decent FPS, or is it deservedly hyped as a benchmark in console gaming?

poptart

First of all, GeoW is NOT FPS.

PSOne got one of the greatest Exclusive FPS in it's day, MEDAL OF HONOR!Medal of Honor was fabulous, and created on PSONE!

PS2 had RedFaction1, Timesplitters1 and the series (Creators of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, HELLO!), Medal of Honor Series, Call of Duty series , and of course the sequels

PS3 has Resistance, COD4, Resistance 2, etc. Killzone 2, may or may not rock, but we will see. Killzone wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't great.

Does Xbox get MORE? Sure, but PS Owners haven't been DEPRIVED at all.

I love you

I love you too, poptart. You have always been one of my favorite "I'm in a rush and I don't have time for a proper breakfast" kinds of meals. I am surprised to see you post here in SW, but I'm glad a great speedy breakfast can be here with us as well. I'm still looking for Captain Crunch and we can all post together, and talk about old times!

:)

All this tells me is that you don't know what an FPS is. GeoW isn't a FIRST PERSON shooter. The change in camera angle doesn't change the genre (shooter), but it does change the sub-genre, which is why FPS and TPS are talked about differently. Look at your first post again. You clearly stated that you thought GeoW was an FPS, which it clearly isn't. Silent-Hal

Subgenre? Do you really think GeoW shouldn't be bundled in with the FPS crowd? Name some other games in its 'subgenre' it shuld be compared to then.

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]All this tells me is that you don't know what an FPS is. GeoW isn't a FIRST PERSON shooter. The change in camera angle doesn't change the genre (shooter), but it does change the sub-genre, which is why FPS and TPS are talked about differently. Look at your first post again. You clearly stated that you thought GeoW was an FPS, which it clearly isn't. poptart

Subgenre? Do you really think GeoW shouldn't be bundled in with the FPS crowd? Name some other games in its 'subgenre' it shuld be compared to then.

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]All this tells me is that you don't know what an FPS is. GeoW isn't a FIRST PERSON shooter. The change in camera angle doesn't change the genre (shooter), but it does change the sub-genre, which is why FPS and TPS are talked about differently. Look at your first post again. You clearly stated that you thought GeoW was an FPS, which it clearly isn't. poptart

Subgenre? Do you really think GeoW shouldn't be bundled in with the FPS crowd? Name some other games in its 'subgenre' it shuld be compared to then.

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"] Halo 3 is a FPS. That short time in vehicles just not change its main formula as being a game being played through the eyes of thecharacter 95% of the time. HOTD might be different from Halo, R2, GRAW, but it is still a game that is in 1st person view plus uses a light gun to play. I did not make these genres up. jfcundiff

Yes, but by your definition then that short period of time in Halo when you jump in a vehicle alters the entire genre of the game. The Genre. You know and I know that's rubbish.

No it does not. Games like Gears or GRAW are TPS. The Halos, R2, KZ2, CSS, HL, etc are first person shooters.

What if I play GRAW in FPS mode (which I have done all the way through)., your suggesting by doing so it makes it a differant genre altogether??? It's the same game, viewed from a slightly differant angle isn't it?

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"]Gears isn't a fps. Hmmm to you have a 360 or just the need to add to the list lol.poptart

There's little distiniction betwen an FPS and TPS. Come on - we both know that. The only differnece is that you see a head/body on the screen or you don't. The mechanics are the same. Let's not be facetious...

But that literally changes everything about your first post. :|

Using your very own logic, the PS3 now has: Uncharted, MGS4, GTA4, Resistance 1 and 2.

Yes, but by your definition then that short period of time in Halo when you jump in a vehicle alters the entire genre of the game. The Genre. You know and I know that's rubbish.

No it does not. Games like Gears or GRAW are TPS. The Halos, R2, KZ2, CSS, HL, etc are first person shooters.

What if I play GRAW in FPS mode (which I have done all the way through)., your suggesting by doing so it makes it a differant genre altogether??? It's the same game, viewed from a slightly differant angle isn't it?

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]All this tells me is that you don't know what an FPS is. GeoW isn't a FIRST PERSON shooter. The change in camera angle doesn't change the genre (shooter), but it does change the sub-genre, which is why FPS and TPS are talked about differently. Look at your first post again. You clearly stated that you thought GeoW was an FPS, which it clearly isn't. Silent-Hal

Subgenre? Do you really think GeoW shouldn't be bundled in with the FPS crowd? Name some other games in its 'subgenre' it shuld be compared to then.

I know what an FPS is. The clue is in the title. Just answer me when I ask what other games would you put in this 'subgenre'.

It irks me when people say 'OOOOO we can't can't compare 'this' game to 'that' because on 'this' game you can see the players head rather than looking through his eyes'

'It must be alike a totally differant genre'

Bo**cks

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

First of all, GeoW is NOT FPS.

PSOne got one of the greatest Exclusive FPS in it's day, MEDAL OF HONOR!Medal of Honor was fabulous, and created on PSONE!

PS2 had RedFaction1, Timesplitters1 and the series (Creators of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, HELLO!), Medal of Honor Series, Call of Duty series , and of course the sequels

PS3 has Resistance, COD4, Resistance 2, etc. Killzone 2, may or may not rock, but we will see. Killzone wasn't a bad game, it just wasn't great.

Does Xbox get MORE? Sure, but PS Owners haven't been DEPRIVED at all.

SolidTy

I love you

I love you too, poptart. You have always been one of my favorite "I'm in a rush and I don't have time for a proper breakfast" kinds of meals. I am surprised to see you post here in SW, but I'm glad a great speedy breakfast can be here with us as well. I'm still looking for Captain Crunch and we can all post together, and talk about old times!

:)

I think we've bonded

I stopped caring about this thread when the TC listed GeOW as an FPS.Seriously do people even know what the hell FPS mean anymore?FPS stands for First Person Shooter,you know those games where you play from your character's point of view,those are First Person games.GeOW is a TPS,Third Person Shooter,a game where you play from the third person perspective.Some people....Rockman999

You stopped caring enough to comment. Do you think I know 'what the hell FPS mean anymore"!!??? Do you really think GeoW is a totally differant genre to the likes of R2 due to the position of the camera? OPEN YOUR EYES MAN! IT'S NOT LIKE I'M PLAYING HUNCHBACK FOR F**K'S SAKE.

Jesus... some people...

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"]

No it does not. Games like Gears or GRAW are TPS. The Halos, R2, KZ2, CSS, HL, etc are first person shooters.

jfcundiff

What if I play GRAW in FPS mode (which I have done all the way through)., your suggesting by doing so it makes it a differant genre altogether??? It's the same game, viewed from a slightly differant angle isn't it?

360

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]I stopped caring about this thread when the TC listed GeOW as an FPS.Seriously do people even know what the hell FPS mean anymore?FPS stands for First Person Shooter,you know those games where you play from your character's point of view,those are First Person games.GeOW is a TPS,Third Person Shooter,a game where you play from the third person perspective.Some people....poptart

You stopped caring enough to comment. Do you think I know 'what the hell FPS mean anymore"!!??? Do you really think GeoW is a totally differant genre to the likes of R2 due to the position of the camera? OPEN YOUR EYES MAN! IT'S NOT LIKE I'M PLAYING HUNCHBACK FOR F**K'S SAKE.

Jesus... some people...

I stopped caring about this thread when the TC listed GeOW as an FPS.Seriously do people even know what the hell FPS mean anymore?FPS stands for First Person Shooter,you know those games where you play from your character's point of view,those are First Person games.GeOW is a TPS,Third Person Shooter,a game where you play from the third person perspective.Some people....Rockman999

You stopped caring enough to comment. Do you think I know 'what the hell FPS mean anymore"!!??? Do you really think GeoW is a totally differant genre to the likes of R2 due to the position of the camera? OPEN YOUR EYES MAN! IT'S NOT LIKE I'M PLAYING HUNCHBACK FOR F**K'S SAKE.

Jesus... some people...

All console only gamers are deprived of decent FPS's. Arguing console FPS games is like arguing over who's poop stinks less.hhttppp

[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"] GeoW also isn't an FPS. Try again. campzor

Oh I'm sorry. We'll move the camera 3 feet from the protagonists head and call it differnt genre shall we?

You owned them.

last time i checked cod4 and waw were both released on ps3. we have every multiplat thats worth a damn and there is no exclusive FPS better than cod4. period. add resistance2 to the mix as an exclusive and i'm pretty sure ps3 owners are set. KZ2 looks great anyway, reguardless of what system its going to be on. its going to be a solid shooter so its time you children get of whatever high horse you think your on.

and by the way lems, yeah, halo was a fantastic game, probally my fav of all time, but 2 and 3 were poor by comparision. those two titles were trash compared to the first SP wise so don't make it seem like you have the market cornered on console FPSs please....