KillZone 1 (beep) before, so what made you think we wanted more ?

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BioShockOwnz

He asked what franchises FIRST game...and you list sequels...

Yup, my mistake. I just read the thread header. Or maybe I didn't understand what "fist" meant.

In any case...I agree with you.  

"...instead you offer Killzone 2. But KillZone 1 sucked before, so what made you think we wanted more ? "

what francises fist game sucked but the second game rocked ?

Ryuhayabuza

Allow me to add a qualifier: What franchise first game sucked but the next installment was released on a more powerful console? And IMO the first Street Fighter sucked but 2, as well know, owned.  

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"...instead you offer Killzone 2. But KillZone 1 sucked before, so what made you think we wanted more ? "

what francises fist game sucked but the second game rocked ?

CyanX73

Allow me to add a qualifier: What franchise first game sucked but the next installment was released on a more powerful console? And IMO the first Street Fighter sucked but 2, as well know, owned.

The first Street Fighter DID not suck. It was revolutionary for the time. SFII refined everything to the gem it is today.

SF2 IS better thatnSF1, but Street Fighter 1 did not suck.

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Grand Theft Auto wasn't that great before GTAIII.

KZII could be good. Let's hope that 120 dev team + 21 million budget = a great game.

BioShockOwnz

WHAT? Grand theft auto wasnt that good? at the time that came out that game was amazin what r u on?

GTA was okay, but GTAIII brought the series to the mainstream, and was hands down one of the best open world games to date.

U cant compare GTA I and II with III, theres different game types, thats like saying the MARIO nes was ok but the mario 64 made mario big, GTA III was great and would have been a good start to the series, but it came from I and II and without them making those, III wouldnt have been as good

How were they different games? Going from birdseye view to 3D doesn't mean it's a different game. You can compare them, because they are in the same genre and it's the same series.

i dunno, maybe because one came out like 10 years ago?  And i still think saying GTA I sucked looking back at it now it stupid,  My 133 MGHZ computer with DOS sucked when i look at it, so did 56K, but at the time those things came out, they were awsome, if u played the games when they came out, u loved them, GTA I and II were completly original, so i expected GTA III to be good.  it didnt suck....get over it, its not a good example 

We have to search for games that had

a) some sales , enough to think about a sequel

b) worth playing through despite its low score 

c) cool universe 

These may be hard to find. 

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BioShockOwnz

He said what franchise FIRST GAME sucked and second was good. None of those are first games in their series.

If you guys think Killzone 2 will flop your full of your selves. 
Reasons why it will not flop.

1.) Sony top developers are part of the 150 employee base building it.

2.) Sony calls it, the Flagship title.  Sony isn't going to let it flop.

3.) 22 mill budget, shows lots of big wigs involved and lots of testing and perfecting.

4.) Sonys hiding it, who knows why but I bet its like the Ace while Sony's holding a King at the Blackjack table.  And they don't want the competition having ideas to trumph it.

5.) Sony hovers over this project like flyies on shet.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

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Blackbond

He said what franchise FIRST GAME sucked and second was good. None of those are first games in their series.

Age of Empires 2 was WAY better than the first Age of Empires.

There is his example. And it's a Microsoft game. :lol: 

If you guys think Killzone 2 will flop your full of your selves. 
Reasons why it will not flop.

1.) Sony top developers are part of the 150 employee base building it.

2.) Sony calls it, the Flagship title.  Sony isn't going to let it flop.

3.) 22 mill budget, shows lots of big wigs involved and lots of testing and perfecting.

4.) Sonys hiding it, who knows why but I bet its like the Ace while Sony's holding a King at the Blackjack table.  And they don't want the competition having ideas to trumph it.

5.) Sony hovers over this project like flyies on shet.

caseypayne69

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Blackbond

He said what franchise FIRST GAME sucked and second was good. None of those are first games in their series.

No, he said "fist game", and I had no idea what "fist" meant, so I did it my way, k?

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TekkenMaster606

He said what franchise FIRST GAME sucked and second was good. None of those are first games in their series.

Age of Empires 2 was WAY better than the first Age of Empires.

There is his example. And it's a Microsoft game. :lol: 

Great example. I didn't even think of that one, and I am a pretty big fan of Age of Empires.

Here you go, in numbers.

B to AAA

Here you go, in numbers.

 

B to AAA

 

TekkenMaster606

(Ding, ding, ding) We have a winner!

/thread :)

What that? You want another example?

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Here you go, in numbers.

 

B to AAA

 

BioShockOwnz

(Ding, ding, ding) We have a winner!

/thread :)

Kill Zone Liberation on the PSP is a fantastic game that improved on the original. Gives hope that KZ2 on the PS3 can do the same.

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]

If you guys think Killzone 2 will flop your full of your selves. 
Reasons why it will not flop.

1.) Sony top developers are part of the 150 employee base building it.

2.) Sony calls it, the Flagship title.  Sony isn't going to let it flop.

3.) 22 mill budget, shows lots of big wigs involved and lots of testing and perfecting.

4.) Sonys hiding it, who knows why but I bet its like the Ace while Sony's holding a King at the Blackjack table.  And they don't want the competition having ideas to trumph it.

5.) Sony hovers over this project like flyies on shet.

donalbane

I Agree with your point too.  What if we are both right?  I also agree that the cg was better then what they had, so maybe they are covering it to play catch up.  But I believe they are meeting the trailer and if, then so close its scary.  If anyone is gonna pull a magic trick with this system it will be these guys.

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Here you go, in numbers.

 

B to AAA

 

donalbane

(Ding, ding, ding) We have a winner!

/thread :)

No, this proves that a developer can make a new IP, and the first game isn't so great, and then they can turn it around and deliver greatness.

To all the haters who say it can't be done, you've just been owned.  

Kill Zone Liberation on the PSP is a fantastic game that improved on the original. Gives hope that KZ2 on the PS3 can do the same.

 

Bread_or_Decide

I thought the complete opposite. They both aren't very good games, but Killzone for the PS2 was better then Liberation.

What that? You want another example?

 

TekkenMaster606

I was going to say this but 7.3 isn't exactly craptacular but still this is a vast improvement. 

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Kill Zone Liberation on the PSP is a fantastic game that improved on the original. Gives hope that KZ2 on the PS3 can do the same.

 

BioShockOwnz

I thought the complete opposite. They both aren't very good games, but Killzone for the PS2 was better then Liberation.

Liberation got better reviews I think.

This proves that a developer can make a new IP, and the first game isn't so great, and then they can turn it around and deliver greatness.

 

To all the haters who say it can't be done, you've just been owned.  

TekkenMaster606