Killzone 2 changes everything

[QUOTE="DeckardLee"]

http://ps3thevolution.com/2009/03/09/killzone-2-smoke-and-mirrors-from-a-cgi-artist/

MotoJ19

I dont think he does make interesting points. He complains about the lighting in Killzone being artificial? Really?!? The lighting in Killzone is some of the best lighting effects ever done on a console. That guy gets a 180 degrees wrong.

I walked around that game looking for spots where the light being reflected didnt have a light source in the game... couldnt find one. But in Gears of war you can walk under a walkway into the shade and you are still lit up. I dont know what they did between gears 1 and 2 but they they screwed something up. Gears 1 lighting was a lot better.

Secondly, he complains about low rez textures? I have a news flash. Every game on a console has some poor textures. These aren't high powered PC's so they have to cut corners that wont be noticed if you are busy playing the game instead of searching for low quality textures. What is important is the overall effect created by putting all of the pieces together.

That so called "professional" doesnt come off as a bit of a fanboy. He is a fanboy trying to come off as a professional CGI expert. He's a douche.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]KZ2 raised the bar for FPS developers. Pretty excited to see the game that tops it. Although it will be awhile. McdonaIdsGuy

Pfffffff pawhahaha.... Lemmings love to fall back on their old games. Where is that Halo review that compares itself to KZ2? I haven't seen it yet?
Oh wait yes I found one: http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/209018/killzone-2-vs-halo-3/

Guess who wins?

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="Trinners"] So how's the 360 2009 line-up coming along? Oh wait...Trinners

Environments look enormousteemany

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]KZ2 raised the bar for FPS developers. Pretty excited to see the game that tops it. Although it will be awhile. EmperorSupreme

Pfffffff pawhahaha.... Lemmings love to fall back on their old games. Where is that Halo review that compares itself to KZ2? I haven't seen it yet?
Oh wait yes I found one: http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/209018/killzone-2-vs-halo-3/

Guess who wins?

I'm not fan of either of those games, but that article is as bias as it gets.

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]KZ2 raised the bar for FPS developers. Pretty excited to see the game that tops it. Although it will be awhile. EmperorSupreme

Pfffffff pawhahaha.... Lemmings love to fall back on their old games. Where is that Halo review that compares itself to KZ2? I haven't seen it yet?
Oh wait yes I found one: http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/209018/killzone-2-vs-halo-3/

Guess who wins?

Tell me what FPS string together different objectives all in the same match while maintaining a class-system? Trinners

Most people [who actually know what they're talking about] maintain that the xbox360 and PS3 are about the same in terms of what they are technically capable of...67gt500

"It's incredible to see huge levels and see the deferred rendering and note that on all the SPU's, even on the heaviest load were coming up to about 60%," Haynes said. "They weren't coming close to maxing out. .They had about 40% of space before they started tripping or saw slow down on some of the processes."

All it changes is the graphics standard, which isn't the most important thing in a FPS.supercubedude64

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"] Pfffffff pawhahaha raised the bar? that's why it didn't outscore Resistance 2,Halo 3,COD4 and Crysis nice joke post!AAllxxjjnn

Pfffffff pawhahaha.... Lemmings love to fall back on their old games. Where is that Halo review that compares itself to KZ2? I haven't seen it yet?
Oh wait yes I found one: http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/209018/killzone-2-vs-halo-3/

Guess who wins?

I'm not fan of either of those games, but that article is as bias as it gets.

Helmets fly off enemies' heads after headshots, while Helghast soldiers scream and writhe in pain after suffering attacks by a flamethrower. What? exactly like the do in Call of Duty WaW? incredible.

No doubt a great game, Halo 3 is a great game too.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

Pfffffff pawhahaha.... Lemmings love to fall back on their old games. Where is that Halo review that compares itself to KZ2? I haven't seen it yet?
Oh wait yes I found one: http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/209018/killzone-2-vs-halo-3/

Guess who wins?

EmperorSupreme

I'm not fan of either of those games, but that article is as bias as it gets.

Helmets fly off enemies' heads after headshots, while Helghast soldiers scream and writhe in pain after suffering attacks by a flamethrower. What? exactly like the do in Call of Duty WaW? incredible.

No doubt a great game, Halo 3 is a great game too.

SgtWhiskeyjack

Sorry TC but i will always take serious the comments from the guy(IBM developer) who worked for both projects(ps3 and xbox 360)and he claims that both consoles at the end of the day are equal in power,you can't prove him wrong because you have 0 idea of what you're talking about,in other words fanboy drivel.McdonaIdsGuy

^^This. Ever since KZ2 both Lem and Cow fanboys have been going crazy. It's a great game and a fine addition to the PS3 exclusive library. Leave it at that.

Killzone 2 hasn't raised the bar in the FPS genre. It hasn't. You're the one ignoring the facts. We've been over this in the other threads you've said this in, and we've broken down your argument every single time.

AAllxxjjnn

Graphics, animations, destructible environments, first person cover system, new online mode. dual tier ranking system, etc.. Those are some of the things that KZ2 has done to raise the bar. I don't know what some people expect out of games these days. Does it have to be an out of body experience? KZ2 is what it is a top notch highly polished FPS that raises the bar. I think Gamespot said it well "Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways."

Sorry TC but i will always take serious the comments from the guy(IBM developer) who worked for both projects(ps3 and xbox 360)and he claims that both consoles at the end of the day are equal in power,you can't prove him wrong because you have 0 idea of what you're talking about,in other words fanboy drivel.McdonaIdsGuy

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

Helmets fly off enemies' heads after headshots, while Helghast soldiers scream and writhe in pain after suffering attacks by a flamethrower. What? exactly like the do in Call of Duty WaW? incredible.

No doubt a great game, Halo 3 is a great game too.

teemany

Becauseof the Animation? Yes - AI? No

Things like this are scripted, they don't scream because the AI has made them more alive :lol:

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Killzone 2 hasn't raised the bar in the FPS genre. It hasn't. You're the one ignoring the facts. We've been over this in the other threads you've said this in, and we've broken down your argument every single time.

EmperorSupreme

Graphics, animations, destructible environments, first person cover system, new online mode. dual tier ranking system, etc.. Those are some of the things that KZ2 has done to raise the bar. I don't know what some people expect out of games these days. Does it have to be an out of body experience? KZ2 is what it is a top notch highly polished FPS that raises the bar. I think Gamespot said it well "Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways."

Sorry TC but i will always take serious the comments from the guy(IBM developer) who worked for both projects(ps3 and xbox 360)and he claims that both consoles at the end of the day are equal in power,you can't prove him wrong because you have 0 idea of what you're talking about,in other words fanboy drivel.McdonaIdsGuy

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Killzone 2 hasn't raised the bar in the FPS genre. It hasn't. You're the one ignoring the facts. We've been over this in the other threads you've said this in, and we've broken down your argument every single time.

pyromaniac223

Graphics, animations, destructible environments, first person cover system, new online mode. dual tier ranking system, etc.. Those are some of the things that KZ2 has done to raise the bar. I don't know what some people expect out of games these days. Does it have to be an out of body experience? KZ2 is what it is a top notch highly polished FPS that raises the bar. I think Gamespot said it well "Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways."

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Killzone 2 hasn't raised the bar in the FPS genre. It hasn't. You're the one ignoring the facts. We've been over this in the other threads you've said this in, and we've broken down your argument every single time.

EmperorSupreme

Graphics, animations, destructible environments, first person cover system, new online mode. dual tier ranking system, etc.. Those are some of the things that KZ2 has done to raise the bar. I don't know what some people expect out of games these days. Does it have to be an out of body experience? KZ2 is what it is a top notch highly polished FPS that raises the bar. I think Gamespot said it well "Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways."

Graphics- Crysis

Animations - Crysis

Destructible Environments - Crysis

First Person Cover System - Not much of an innovation, lean and peak has been on PC forever, and vietcong2 had a "FP cover system"

Ranking Systems - Battlefield 2 had this.

New Online Mode - i'll give you that if it's really that big of a deal.

Did not raise the bar at all.

I can't stand this Killzone 2 nonsense for much longer. I just wish another exclsuive big hitter would release now so that people can have something else to yap on about. With any luck KZ2 will be forgotten and ignored within the next 3 or 4 months.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] Killzone 2 hasn't raised the bar in the FPS genre. It hasn't. You're the one ignoring the facts. We've been over this in the other threads you've said this in, and we've broken down your argument every single time.

AAllxxjjnn

Graphics, animations, destructible environments, first person cover system, new online mode. dual tier ranking system, etc.. Those are some of the things that KZ2 has done to raise the bar. I don't know what some people expect out of games these days. Does it have to be an out of body experience? KZ2 is what it is a top notch highly polished FPS that raises the bar. I think Gamespot said it well "Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways."

Graphics- Crysis

Animations - Crysis

Destructible Environments - Crysis

First Person Cover System - Not much of an innovation, lean and peak has been on PC forever, and vietcong2 had a "FP cover system"

Ranking Systems - Battlefield 2 had this.

New Online Mode - i'll give you that if it's really that big of a deal.

Did not raise the bar at all.

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]Sorry TC but i will always take serious the comments from the guy(IBM developer) who worked for both projects(ps3 and xbox 360)and he claims that both consoles at the end of the day are equal in power,you can't prove him wrong because you have 0 idea of what you're talking about,in other words fanboy drivel.teemany

If you're not going to trust IBM for that little act, I suggest you never believe anything Sony has to say.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

Graphics, animations, destructible environments, first person cover system, new online mode. dual tier ranking system, etc.. Those are some of the things that KZ2 has done to raise the bar. I don't know what some people expect out of games these days. Does it have to be an out of body experience? KZ2 is what it is a top notch highly polished FPS that raises the bar. I think Gamespot said it well "Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways."

EmperorSupreme

Graphics- Crysis

Animations - Crysis

Destructible Environments - Crysis

First Person Cover System - Not much of an innovation, lean and peak has been on PC forever, and vietcong2 had a "FP cover system"

Ranking Systems - Battlefield 2 had this.

New Online Mode - i'll give you that if it's really that big of a deal.

Did not raise the bar at all.

I can't stand this Killzone 2 nonsense for much longer. I just wish another exclsuive big hitter would release now so that people can have something else to yap on about. With any luck KZ2 will be forgotten and ignored within the next 3 or 4 months.

Ek-Andy

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

I can't stand this Killzone 2 nonsense for much longer. I just wish another exclsuive big hitter would release now so that people can have something else to yap on about. With any luck KZ2 will be forgotten and ignored within the next 3 or 4 months.

teemany

I say RE5 looks almost as good as KZ2, in some aspects better.

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

Graphics- Crysis

Animations - Crysis

Destructible Environments - Crysis

First Person Cover System - Not much of an innovation, lean and peak has been on PC forever, and vietcong2 had a "FP cover system"

Ranking Systems - Battlefield 2 had this.

New Online Mode - i'll give you that if it's really that big of a deal.

Did not raise the bar at all.

AAllxxjjnn

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

DarkGamer007

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] So you had to list 3 different games that KZ2 does all in one package. I think you've proven my point.EmperorSupreme

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

CaseyWegner

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

Better than this?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/review.html

Opening paragraph... Huh sounds pretty well "received" to me.

"Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways. From groundbreaking visuals to well-crafted multiplayer maps, most of Killzone 2's individual elements stand out in a crowded genre, making its meager attempts at storytelling easy to ignore. PlayStation 3 owners looking for a shooter to keep them busy for the rest of 2009 and beyond need look no further: The fierce action will keep you glued to your television screen for some time to come."

Do games have to be a perfect 10 now days?

edit: In your own sites reviews it says "set new standards in subtle but significant ways." I bolded it for you.

Some people still don't believe in Evolution. Some still believe that the Earth Flat. Some, like you?, still think Killzone 2 doesn't have the best console graphics. Such is life, I guess. I can live with that teemany

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

CaseyWegner

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

Don't expect to get an answer to this. Whenever Sony fanboys start going on about how MGS4 crushes everything, I ask them why MGS4 doesn't have a higher averaged score and I get no answer.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

EmperorSupreme

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

Better than this?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/review.html

Opening paragraph... Huh sounds pretty well "received" to me.

"Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways. From groundbreaking visuals to well-crafted multiplayer maps, most of Killzone 2's individual elements stand out in a crowded genre, making its meager attempts at storytelling easy to ignore. PlayStation 3 owners looking for a shooter to keep them busy for the rest of 2009 and beyond need look no further: The fierce action will keep you glued to your television screen for some time to come."

Do games have to be a perfect 10 now days?

i said "better" receieved...not "well" received.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

Better than this?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/review.html

Opening paragraph... Huh sounds pretty well "received" to me.

"Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways. From groundbreaking visuals to well-crafted multiplayer maps, most of Killzone 2's individual elements stand out in a crowded genre, making its meager attempts at storytelling easy to ignore. PlayStation 3 owners looking for a shooter to keep them busy for the rest of 2009 and beyond need look no further: The fierce action will keep you glued to your television screen for some time to come."

Do games have to be a perfect 10 now days?

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

I can't stand this Killzone 2 nonsense for much longer. I just wish another exclsuive big hitter would release now so that people can have something else to yap on about. With any luck KZ2 will be forgotten and ignored within the next 3 or 4 months.

teemany

I don't really care enough to mark your words with any real effor, but if you insist. There you go, it's marked with italics, bold and underline.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

CaseyWegner

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

One obvious standard that it set is visual presentation, something for which it received universal praise from critics. From now on when a new shooter comes out, people will be saying "It doesnt look as good as KZ2 or KZ2 is still the graphics king." I will definitely be comparing the lighting of every future game to this game.

Another standard, imo is enemy AI. This is the only shooter that had me frustrated because the damn computer is hiding for his life behind a box; I had been spoiled with stupid, easily predictable AI. Once the damn helgast was in front of me and hiding behind a box then I went to go get him and he was gone. Next thing I know he is hitting me in the back of the head with the butt of his rifle. This game has some good AI.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

Mr_Ditters

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

One obvious standard that it set is visual presentation, something for which it received universal praise from critics. From now on when a new shooter comes out, people will be saying "It doesnt look as good as KZ2 or KZ2 is still the graphics king." I will definitely be comparing the lighting of every future game to this game.

Another standard, imo is enemy AI. This is the only shooter that had me frustrated because the damn computer is hiding for his life behind a box; I had been spoiled with stupid, easily predictable AI. Once the damn helgast was in front of me and hiding behind a box then I went to go get him and he was gone. Next thing I know he is hitting me in the back of the head with the butt of his rifle. This game has some good AI.

F.E.A.R. also had great A.I. and Half-Life 2 did aswell.

[QUOTE="teemany"] Some people still don't believe in Evolution. Some still believe that the Earth Flat. Some, like you?, still think Killzone 2 doesn't have the best console graphics. Such is life, I guess. I can live with that IronBass

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

So what exactly are the standards that Killzone 2 set?

EmperorSupreme

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

Better than this?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/review.html

Opening paragraph... Huh sounds pretty well "received" to me.

"Killzone 2 is a tremendous package, offering an exciting campaign and terrific competitive online play, neither of which create new paradigms for first-person shooters, but rather set new standards in subtle but significant ways. From groundbreaking visuals to well-crafted multiplayer maps, most of Killzone 2's individual elements stand out in a crowded genre, making its meager attempts at storytelling easy to ignore. PlayStation 3 owners looking for a shooter to keep them busy for the rest of 2009 and beyond need look no further: The fierce action will keep you glued to your television screen for some time to come."

Do games have to be a perfect 10 now days?

He didn't say it wasn't well recieved. The point he's making is that games that become the new standard usually have higher reviews scores than Killzone 2 did.

What everybody else sees as a great game that got a great reception, you guys see as some kind of legend of gaming.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="teemany"] Some people still don't believe in Evolution. Some still believe that the Earth Flat. Some, like you?, still think Killzone 2 doesn't have the best console graphics. Such is life, I guess. I can live with that teemany

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="teemany"] Some people still don't believe in Evolution. Some still believe that the Earth Flat. Some, like you?, still think Killzone 2 doesn't have the best console graphics. Such is life, I guess. I can live with that teemany

Graphics are mostly subjective. It doesn't make you look very bright to go on about people not seeing facts when all you've done is rattle off opinions.

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you'd think it would need to have been a better received game if it's supposed to be the new standard for shooters.

DarkGamer007

One obvious standard that it set is visual presentation, something for which it received universal praise from critics. From now on when a new shooter comes out, people will be saying "It doesnt look as good as KZ2 or KZ2 is still the graphics king." I will definitely be comparing the lighting of every future game to this game.

Another standard, imo is enemy AI. This is the only shooter that had me frustrated because the damn computer is hiding for his life behind a box; I had been spoiled with stupid, easily predictable AI. Once the damn helgast was in front of me and hiding behind a box then I went to go get him and he was gone. Next thing I know he is hitting me in the back of the head with the butt of his rifle. This game has some good AI.

F.E.A.R. also had great A.I. and Half-Life 2 did aswell.

I agree. But, Killzone had some moments where I was just like wtf-where at times it was just frustrating because the computer was flanking me or doing a good job of not getting shot. I didnt have those moments in fear or halflife.