Killzone 2 Fake Lighting

Can someone please post a link explaining how the Developers of Killzone 2 use "fake" dynamic lighting. Everytime someone here uses lighting as a plus there are about 5 people claiming it to be fake lighting compared to other games.

Thanks.

EDIT: Thanks for the replies. However, for those who say that KZ2 has no dynamic lighting, where is the link to support that claim. That's really what I'm looking for.

Thanks again.

You spelled it wrong BTW.

Can someone please post a link explaining how the Developers of Killzone 2 use "fake" dynamic lighting. Everytime someone here uses lighting as a plus there are about 5 people claiming it to be fake lighting compared to other games.

Thanks.

Zero_epyon

if it gets the job done what difference does it make?

tbo it's things like that that i like because if it frees up system resources to make something else look better to me it's a huge win

But it is fake! It's totally virtual!

I doubt EVERY light source in KZ2 is dynamic, it would be a waste and the difference in graphics would be minor.
Although I'm sure all of the in your face lights are dynamic.

You spelled it wrong BTW.

White_wolf_eye

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

You spelled it wrong BTW.

ChopperDave1

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

You spelled it wrong BTW.

ChopperDave1

[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

You spelled it wrong BTW.

White_wolf_eye

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"] thats from the intro movie, not from in the game

Ilikemyname420

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

How can the lighting be fake? :S There barely is any.

[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

You spelled it wrong BTW.

White_wolf_eye

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

Well in a few areas in SP, there's lightning EVERYWHERE. Same with a bunch of MP maps.

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"] thats from the intro movie, not from in the game

GodofBigMacs

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

Well in a few areas in SP, there's lightning EVERYWHERE. Same with a bunch of MP maps.

Basically all I think it's refering to is that some of the lighting/shadows for the levels are drawn onto the texture maps instead of done dynamicaly..... but frankly it doesn't matter when you mostly have static lightsources, this isn't Crysis where you have a changing time of day etc....and aside from some of the shadows and lighting on the levels themselves Killzone 2 still uses plenty of dynamic lighting(light on the shot gun etc).

Calling it 'fake lighting' is kind of silly....'uses some simplistic shading methods along with some dynamic lighting' would be more appropriate....but that doesn't sound as cool :P

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

jsmoke03

Well in a few areas in SP, there's lightning EVERYWHERE. Same with a bunch of MP maps.

Can someone please post a link explaining how the Developers of Killzone 2 use "fake" dynamic lighting. Everytime someone here uses lighting as a plus there are about 5 people claiming it to be fake lighting compared to other games.

Thanks.

Zero_epyon

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="White_wolf_eye"]

[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"] thats from the intro movie, not from in the game

GodofBigMacs

Iv barely seen lightning in actual gameplay anyway :S

Well in a few areas in SP, there's lightning EVERYWHERE. Same with a bunch of MP maps.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

dakan45

You're confusing HDR with Dynamic Lighting.

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

Teufelhuhn

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

ogvampire

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

dakan45

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

swazidoughman

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

ogvampire

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

Sure, there's no geometic object representing the light source, but there is a light, and it is causing objects to cast shadows.
It's just an example of putting a light source in a silly/ illogical place.

A light sources 'beam' in a game is always invisible in thin air unless the light is volumetric.

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

ogvampire

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

What are you trying to say? That they forgot to put an object there to justify the light source? The light is still there man, and it's working as it should.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

swazidoughman

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

Sure, there's no geometic object representing the light source, but there is a light, and it is causing objects to cast shadows.
It's just an example of putting a light source in a silly/ illogical place.

A light sources 'beam' in a game is always invisible in thin air unless the light is volumetric.

i think thats what his point was... there is a light without a source. hence, the term 'fake lighting'

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

SambaLele

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

What are you trying to say? That they forgot to put an object there to justify the light source? The light is still there man, and it's working as it should.

well yeah. wouldnt a light without a source be considered 'fake'?

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

ogvampire

Sure, there's no geometic object representing the light source, but there is a light, and it is causing objects to cast shadows.
It's just an example of putting a light source in a silly/ illogical place.

A light sources 'beam' in a game is always invisible in thin air unless the light is volumetric.

i think thats what his point was... there is a light without a source. hence, the term 'fake lighting'

But there is a source, and therefor not fake, however there isn't a geometric representation of the light source.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

swazidoughman

You're confusing HDR with Dynamic Lighting.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

Sure, there's no geometic object representing the light source, but there is a light, and it is causing objects to cast shadows.
It's just an example of putting a light source in a silly/ illogical place.

A light sources 'beam' in a game is always invisible in thin air unless the light is volumetric.

swazidoughman

i think thats what his point was... there is a light without a source. hence, the term 'fake lighting'

But there is a source, and therefor not fake, however there isn't a geometric representation of the light source.

huh? you got it backwards. there is a light, but there is no source. therefore, 'fake'

i think thats what his point was... there is a light without a source. hence, the term 'fake lighting'

ogvampire

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

swazidoughman

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

That guy must be an idiot.

A light source is clearly making an object cast a shadow.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

yeah, but where is that light source?

at that angle of shadow, the light source should be somewhere directly behind that helgast dude. but there isnt anything there

ogvampire

What are you trying to say? That they forgot to put an object there to justify the light source? The light is still there man, and it's working as it should.

well yeah. wouldnt a light without a source be considered 'fake'?

No, i'm not a dev and know nothing of how to design 3d etc, but i did already play a little with some developing engines and autodesks like Maya, and it's perfectly possible for you to put a light from whatever angle you want without "attaching" it to an object.

In fact, the light can be like an object itself, and it'll work perfectly. As it is in that shot.

You really think that every light sources in games have an object "explaining" it's existence? That's far from the truth, and don't take an expert to realize that.

huh? you got it backwards. there is a light, but there is no source. therefore, 'fake'

ogvampire

try increasing the brightness and the shadows wont look that good, so yeah its fake lighting allright....

dakan45

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

What are you trying to say? That they forgot to put an object there to justify the light source? The light is still there man, and it's working as it should.

SambaLele

well yeah. wouldnt a light without a source be considered 'fake'?

No, i'm not a dev and know nothing of how to design 3d etc, but i did already play a little with some developing engines and autodesks like Maya, and it's perfectly possible for you to put a light from whatever angle you want without "attaching" it to an object.

In fact, the light can be like an object itself, and it'll work perfectly. As it is in that shot.

You really think that every light sources in games have an object "explaining" it's existence? That's far from the truth, and don't take an expert to realize that.

in programming, yes, light can be an object. in a game that boasts realism like kz2, you would think that light needs a source, especially in such an obvious place like in the pic

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

huh? you got it backwards. there is a light, but there is no source. therefore, 'fake'

Teufelhuhn

im sorry, but i have never noticed such 'fake' lighting as that pic in any other game. i will try to notice this next time i play

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

huh? you got it backwards. there is a light, but there is no source. therefore, 'fake'

Teufelhuhn

Exactly.

Ok, that should be enough to end this thread.

I wasted my hard earned 10 minutes to do this.

As you can see, in the rendered image you can see that an there is an invisible light source :o

Just because you can see the light, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

navyguy21

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

well yeah. wouldnt a light without a source be considered 'fake'?

ogvampire

No, i'm not a dev and know nothing of how to design 3d etc, but i did already play a little with some developing engines and autodesks like Maya, and it's perfectly possible for you to put a light from whatever angle you want without "attaching" it to an object.

In fact, the light can be like an object itself, and it'll work perfectly. As it is in that shot.

You really think that every light sources in games have an object "explaining" it's existence? That's far from the truth, and don't take an expert to realize that.

in programming, yes, light can be an object. in a game that boasts realism like kz2, you would think that light needs a source, especially in such an obvious place like in the pic

If you go nitpick like that on all games, you'll see that 100% of them do that.

There is not one game that doesn't do that... maybe Crysis, but even in that one you could probably find lights without a "source".

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

It's a bunch of nonsense spread by people completely misinterpreting the technical details of their engine. I assure you there's nothing "fake" about the way Killzone 2 handles its lighting.

ogvampire

i think it was an article where some self-proclaimed designer noticed somethings. he pointed to this picture to show the 'fake lighting'

It's not fake, it's just doctored.

Killzone 2 doesn't have fully dynamic lighting, but it doesn't need it either.