Killzone 2 Lighting Engine Reviewed (56k takes a dirt nap)

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there are many games with way better lighting than this, and i dont see people making threads for them. mabey since killzone 1 sucked so bad, sony is trying to awe us with lighting soo complex it looks like it makes no diffrence. take a good look at those pictures tc.

saolin323

Mass Effect lighitng has already KILLED anything i have seen in Killzone, the self shadows are perfect, the world shadows stunning, and the volumetric lights kill anything in KZ2 IMO

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[QUOTE="cyborgjak427"]Wow, System Wars has a new trend: hyping games for features, not gameplay:roll:.neogeo419

if you played the first, you would realize all it needed was some technical polish to have awesome gameplay.

I, did, and you are wrong.

See? I can do it too.

The first Killzone was lacking to be sure, but its gameplay was far from bad.

that sounds like a fanboy rant, notice how the poster was banned.kevy619

It was an analysis of the game's lighting techniques. That's not what a rant is. Learn to read before you comment.

TC=noob....Killzone lighting sucks....to prove my point, Ill post the following screenshot....

Shot at 2007-08-03

Crysis noob....note the beautiful lighting effects, and, the fact that this game uses real time soft shadows....tree shadows move with the wind....Everything in this game looks beautiful...further proof that PC tanks PS3

A little child holding a flashlight can make better lighting effects then those seen in killzone 2...

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Thats one ugly screen of crysis.... should of picked a better picture to prove ur point.... the grass looks terrable and the rest just looks like far cry with a coat of new paint....hermits pwnd,,, cause they like the brag about a poorly opptimized game that none of them can really run it that well.... prove me wrong hermit!!! show me a video of u playing crysis at a STABLE 35-40 fps even with mass fire fights and physics at atleast 1280x1024 and quality set at high/very high.... and ill let you off easy and you dont have to turn on any AA......oh yeah but teh console games so many jaggles!!!111!!!!1!

because it has nice graphics? Why arent we hearing anything about why the game is fun to play?kevy619

Why can't lighting make the game fun to play?

One of the only reasons the original one had "fun" handicaps was because of all the technical problems and visual awkwardness. As has already been shown, they've fixed these things.

[QUOTE="useLOGIC"][QUOTE="cyprus646"]

Still looks like a downgraded grey mess to me. :?

kevy619

did you even read about why its so gray? would it be gray during, say, a clear sunset? no, thanks to the lighting engine.

The review is a fanboy rant in his blog, give us all a break.

So no. You didn't read it--And yet you're still commenting on it.

Don't think I ever saw this thread. Well they seem to be taking their time and putting a lot of work into this game. For me it will be something new since I didn't play the first one. Who knows, this one may turn out really good.

So we're hyping games bacause of lightning now...? :|bobby_king

hell yeah. Lighting is what makes you see thing buddy. it's FAR mor important than a sharp texture (the only thing you and the other fanboys are looking for). Lighting can make a game 100 x more immersive.

great thread. But i expect plenty more threads with titles like: "Killzone, why the hype, the first one ****?"

As cool as that all is, I hope they don't have to sacrifice texture resolution to keeping the framerate silky smooth.musicalmac

here we go... ha, ha.. yeah. look around you in real life. all textures are rasor sharp and you are really noticing them all the time right?... no.

lighting doesnt save bad gameplay (killzone 1, Shellshock: Nam '67)FreakyDeacky2

VERY true. but it can make good gameplay 100 x more immersive. Killzonbe2 is not Killzone1. only 360 fanatics hope that.

It's nice, but technically there is nothing setting it apart from any other game, hell half the renderer isn't dynamic...in many area's it's prebaked effects.

There are other games that match that, Crysis and Halo 3's MRT GI(Global Illumination)HDR systems for example are better IMHO, COD4's lighting system is pretty nice as well...

Thats not to say that killzone's isn't nice, it very much is...but it's not the best, it's up there though.

It's nice, but technically there is nothing setting it apart from any other game Innovazero2000

yes it does. CoD4 does not have the same lighting. MOST games do not have this sort of complex lighting. maybe Crysis..

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It's nice, but technically there is nothing setting it apart from any other game Always-Honest

yes it does. CoD4 does not have the same lighting. MOST games do not have this sort of complex lighting. maybe Crysis..

What I'm saying is the engine isn't even completely dynamic. The only real impressive thing is the number of dynamic lights it can throw out, and the reflect/refract effects are nice.

But Halo 3 and Crysis's lighting engines are more impressive to me, and I didn't say COD4's was better, I just said was nice...

good thread!

this is def going to be a great looking game...

What I'm saying is the engine isn't even completely dynamic. The only real impressive thing is the number of dynamic lights it can throw out, and the reflect/refract effects are nice.

But Halo 3 and Crysis's lighting engines are more impressive to me, and I didn't say COD4's was better, I just said was nice...

Innovazero2000

i disagree. Halo3 had some impressive lighting, but far from the immersive lighting Killzone 2 will bring. I really liked how in Hlao3 everything had the right shine. But Halo3 's lighting doesn't come even close to the lighting in Crysis and Killzone2.. can't you just see that from watching a single video.. it's right in front of you...

I want this game to be good, theres so much scope and the story is as appealing as gears of war. But if we start to see bugs, texture pop in (or just plain bad textures) with motion blur and lighting covering it up, we know we have a duff game rushed by geurilla. However, if they have indeed learnt their lesson from KZ1 we can expect to see one FPS actually worth getting a PS3 for.hongkingkong

no Killzone 2 for you.

I guess some of the lighting looks good,but it's all too dark,gray and dull for my taste,just like the first game,although i did enjoy the first game,the scenery did get rather boring after a while.

Compared to halo,which looks alot better imo,colour>gray scale

I guess some of the lighting looks good,but it's all too dark,gray and dull for my taste,just like the first game,although i did enjoy the first game,the scenery did get rather boring after a while.

Compared to halo,which looks alot better imo,colour>gray scale

blacktorn

thats's just art direction.. and the screens are much darker than the game.

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

It's nice, but technically there is nothing setting it apart from any other game Innovazero2000

yes it does. CoD4 does not have the same lighting. MOST games do not have this sort of complex lighting. maybe Crysis..

What I'm saying is the engine isn't even completely dynamic. The only real impressive thing is the number of dynamic lights it can throw out, and the reflect/refract effects are nice.

But Halo 3 and Crysis's lighting engines are more impressive to me, and I didn't say COD4's was better, I just said was nice...

How can you be talking down KZ2 for not being completely dyanmic, then go ahead and praise Halo in the same breath.

Wow, System Wars has a new trend: hyping games for features, not gameplay:roll:.cyborgjak427

I think you were being sarcastic. Lemmings did it with Halo 3 and Forza 2.

Wow, System Wars has a new trend: hyping games for features, not gameplay:roll:.cyborgjak427

While playing CoD4 did anyone think "god i hate this lighting, it would be so much better if they had proper lighting like KZ2"??? no cuz its sooo fun to play.

I am however impressed by the technology, but gameplay first please guerrilla. Riddick wasnt one of the best games last gen just because it had lots of normal mapping

[QUOTE="cyborgjak427"]Wow, System Wars has a new trend: hyping games for features, not gameplay:roll:.Cedmln

I think you were being sarcastic. Lemmings did it with Halo 3 and Forza 2.

LOL @ Cows hyping LIGHTING.

This is so silly, it's as if the horrendous first Killzone didn't exist :roll:

So we're hyping games bacause of lightning now...? :|bobby_king

[QUOTE="cyborgjak427"]Wow, System Wars has a new trend: hyping games for features, not gameplay:roll:.Cedmln

I think you were being sarcastic. Lemmings did it with Halo 3 and Forza 2.

So nobody ever hyped Halo 3 for equipment, forge, new vehicles, weapons ect lol.

So nobody ever hyped Forza 2 for being more realistic, more customization, and an even more in depth online mode lol.

I mean obvioulsy lemmings only hyped Forza 2 and Halo 3 because they were graphical power houses lol.

Halo 3 was getting new info from Bungie.net routinely you could find tons of ways to hype the game besides graphics.

lighting doesnt save bad gameplay (killzone 1, Shellshock: Nam '67)FreakyDeacky2

Guerilla doesnt know how to make a decent game

Old Article but I think the textures look great. for Pre Alpha.

Old Article but I think the textures look great. Especially for Pre Alpha.

caseypayne69

This is old news man. Im hyped for KZ2 as much as the next guy but still its not like im gonna notice this amazing lighting while im playing so its no big deal. No one even noticed the lighting before but someone makes so big review on it and all of a sudden lighting is a big deal. Give it a break.

Blitz_Nemesis

So theyre using lighting techniques that have already been in use in alot of PC games for years now and its supposed to be impressive? And on top of that theyre clearly just trying to cover up the poor texture quality with "good" (meaning really dark or overly bright) lighting effects? Brilliant!Acurev

Considering that console games look inferior to Crysis, Killzone 2 looks pretty damn good and far better then garbage like Halo 3.

KZ2 will be the biggest flop in gaming historyNugtoka

From what i've seen i can't see your prediction happening, what makes you beleive KZ2 will flop?

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]KZ2 will be the biggest flop in gaming historyhongkingkong

From what i've seen i can't see your prediction happening, what makes you beleive KZ2 will flop?

1) KZ1

2) Sony's lies for the frst thing i trust nothing they hype until its in my hands and i'm playing it myself.

[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]KZ2 will be the biggest flop in gaming historyhongkingkong

From what i've seen i can't see your prediction happening, what makes you beleive KZ2 will flop?

Flippity Flop Flop.. just like Killzone 1

Im not buying a ps3 again until Metal Gear Solid or a Suikoden game comes out