Killzone 2 Preview shows disappointing AI

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#1 spidey008
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At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.php
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#2 cobrax25
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At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phpspidey008

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

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#3 GarchomPro
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its definetly not the worst ive seen, but yeh at some parts it seems like its not that great, but remember this is pre-alpha
They still have about 6 months if not more to get it ready
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#4 numba1234
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Yea, the ai was horrible. crappy, duck and cover sequences, and really didn't look that good in conterast to the game. The AI, should get tweaked after a while, it is only pre alpha stage right now.
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#5 Bballer101
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Its not even close to being finished yet, atleast give em a chance to work out the flaws before we judge

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#6 AvIdGaMeR444
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The better the graphics, the worse the AI? Seems to be the case with this title so far...
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#7 EPaul
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The game has several months b4 being released
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#8 mjarantilla
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When is this coming out? The AI should make the biggest improvement the closer to release we get.
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#9 PBSnipes
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They still have a ton of development time to fix it, but it is worrying.
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[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phpcobrax25

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard... If they don't fix that (which they will) it could end up bad.

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hey..look on the bright side. At least Guerrilla is consistent... :D
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#12 Bballer101
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phphorrowhip

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard...

I was very surprised also when he i found out it was on medium-hard. I always thought the A.I. was on very very easy when they showed off the game.

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#13 PBSnipes
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The better the graphics, the worse the AI? Seems to be the case with this title so far...AvIdGaMeR444
That probably has more to do with the development cycle than the actual game. Guerrilla is obviously putting a ton of work into making KZ2 one of the best looking games, so obviously other parts of the game are going to have to be neglected. That is also the reason for Forza 2 having sub-par graphics, the developer focused on the gameplay and AI over the graphics.
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#14 l_The_DetoX_l
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phphorrowhip

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard... If they don't fix that (which they will) it could end up bad.

The guy said the game was set on God mode. Assuming you'd fit the role of god, the game should be pretty easy to go through.

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#15 GARRYTH
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rread gamespot hand-on because like we all say in here gamespot is the one that counts. they seemed to like it alot no.
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[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]The better the graphics, the worse the AI? Seems to be the case with this title so far...PBSnipes
That probably has more to do with the development cycle than the actual game. Guerrilla is obviously putting a ton of work into making KZ2 one of the best looking games, so obviously other parts of the game are going to have to be neglected. That is also the reason for Forza 2 having sub-par graphics, the developer focused on the gameplay and AI over the graphics.

Forza does NOT have "sub par" graphics...

fanboys...:lol:

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[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phpl_The_DetoX_l

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard... If they don't fix that (which they will) it could end up bad.

The guy said the game was set on God mode. Assuming you'd fit the role of god, the game should be pretty easy to go through.

did you read Kotaku's impressions? They said they shot the AI in the side twice and he never reacted... Sorry, but that is just sad.
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[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phphorrowhip

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard... If they don't fix that (which they will) it could end up bad.

The guy said the game was set on God mode. Assuming you'd fit the role of god, the game should be pretty easy to go through.

did you read Kotaku's impressions? They said they shot the AI in the side twice and he never reacted... Sorry, but that is just sad.

i'm wondering, tho...wouldn't this be a collision detection issue instead of AI...?

i'm really asking... not being snarky....:)

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#19 Ragashahs
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the way KZ2's A.I. works when god mode is turned on it negates the a.i.
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#20 Mordred19
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let's get to the grit of this issue. does anyone really think that this NEW and EXPANDEDGuerilla team, with all the money and technical support they have, are just going to sit on their butts for the next 8 months and release KZ2 with bad AI? that makes no sense.
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I hate this. Anyone remember Metroid Prime 3 6 months ago? Or the Prime Hunters demo?
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#22 PBSnipes
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]The better the graphics, the worse the AI? Seems to be the case with this title so far...tango90101

That probably has more to do with the development cycle than the actual game. Guerrilla is obviously putting a ton of work into making KZ2 one of the best looking games, so obviously other parts of the game are going to have to be neglected. That is also the reason for Forza 2 having sub-par graphics, the developer focused on the gameplay and AI over the graphics.

Forza does NOT have "sub par" graphics...

fanboys...:lol:

I have Forza 2, I love it, its one of my top 5 favourite 360 games. But compared to other racers Forza 2 looks sub-par.
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]The better the graphics, the worse the AI? Seems to be the case with this title so far...tango90101

That probably has more to do with the development cycle than the actual game. Guerrilla is obviously putting a ton of work into making KZ2 one of the best looking games, so obviously other parts of the game are going to have to be neglected. That is also the reason for Forza 2 having sub-par graphics, the developer focused on the gameplay and AI over the graphics.

Forza does NOT have "sub par" graphics...

fanboys...:lol:

Forza does have good graphics but not the great but what you said was so off topic and wrong, don't accuse people of being fanboys. Anyway, back to topic, I'm hoping Guerilla does fix this but it can look a bit worrying especially after all the attention this game is recieving.

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[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phptango90101

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard... If they don't fix that (which they will) it could end up bad.

The guy said the game was set on God mode. Assuming you'd fit the role of god, the game should be pretty easy to go through.

did you read Kotaku's impressions? They said they shot the AI in the side twice and he never reacted... Sorry, but that is just sad.

i'm wondering, tho...wouldn't this be a collision detection issue instead of AI...?

i'm really asking... not being snarky....:)

Or maybe the fact that the AI were looking the other direction while getting continuously shot at... Sorry thats bad AI... Also to the guy that said Killzone's AI gets turned of when godmode goes on.... PLEASE don't ever say that again.

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[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]The better the graphics, the worse the AI? Seems to be the case with this title so far...kulmiye

That probably has more to do with the development cycle than the actual game. Guerrilla is obviously putting a ton of work into making KZ2 one of the best looking games, so obviously other parts of the game are going to have to be neglected. That is also the reason for Forza 2 having sub-par graphics, the developer focused on the gameplay and AI over the graphics.

Forza does NOT have "sub par" graphics...

fanboys...:lol:

Forza does have good graphics but not the great but what you said was so off topic and wrong, don't accuse people of being fanboys. Anyway, back to topic, I'm hoping Guerilla does fix this but it can look a bit worrying especially after all the attention this game is recieving.

what do you think Gurilla is going to be doing over the next 8 months? eat chips and drink Pepsi all day? They've hit the desired point in graphics, it's natural that they will be improving the AI next.

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[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"][QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phphorrowhip

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

For Crysis they hadn't shown AI settings above Very Easy until just recently(First time was i31)so.... I was under the impression the AI was on Very Easy in the Killzone 2 demo too but.... wow... Medium-Hard... If they don't fix that (which they will) it could end up bad.

The guy said the game was set on God mode. Assuming you'd fit the role of god, the game should be pretty easy to go through.

did you read Kotaku's impressions? They said they shot the AI in the side twice and he never reacted... Sorry, but that is just sad.

i'm wondering, tho...wouldn't this be a collision detection issue instead of AI...?

i'm really asking... not being snarky....:)

Or maybe the fact that the AI were looking the other direction while getting continuously shot at... Sorry thats bad AI... Also to the guy that said Killzone's AI gets turned of when godmode goes on.... PLEASE don't ever say that again.

You misread my post. I never said AI is turned off when godmode is on. I never said anything about the AI turning off at all. The guy in the 25 minute demonstration of Killzone says that the game was in God mode.

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#27 ragrdoll21
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its definetly not the worst ive seen, but yeh at some parts it seems like its not that great, but remember this is pre-alpha
They still have about 6 months if not more to get it ready
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alot more than 6 months bro.
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#28 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]its definetly not the worst ive seen, but yeh at some parts it seems like its not that great, but remember this is pre-alpha
They still have about 6 months if not more to get it ready
ragrdoll21
alot more than 6 months bro.

really? I thought they were aiming for early Q2 2008. That means April 2008. 7 months?

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#29 horrowhip
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my post. I never said AI is turned off when godmode is on. I never said anything about the AI turning off at all. The guy in the 25 minute demonstration of Killzone says that the game was in God mode. l_The_DetoX_l

Edit - Wasn't talking about you...

the way KZ2's A.I. works when god mode is turned on it negates the a.i.Ragashahs

see...

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#30 ragrdoll21
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That was a great read and like he said,they have plenty of time to work on the AI, now that the Graphics are top notch. :)
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[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"]my post. I never said AI is turned off when godmode is on. I never said anything about the AI turning off at all. The guy in the 25 minute demonstration of Killzone says that the game was in God mode. horrowhip

Edit - Wasn't talking about you...

the way KZ2's A.I. works when god mode is turned on it negates the a.i.Ragashahs

see...

Its not as bad as the Metal Gear Solid 4: "There was a loud barrel following over and now its rolling towards me.....lets keep walking and die."
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the fact he didn't react when gotten shot at seems more like a glitch then bad a.i. considering the amount of technology and stuff they're supposed to do and the destructable objects (they must react on wich objects that are detroyed and move to another one)it has to be hard and take alot of time to tweak the a.i.
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#33 kulmiye
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True but AI might be their downfall when it comes to reviewing the game who knows I can predict what Guerilla are gonna do. Plus you need to have faith in guerilla as you did make the cheeseburger bet Mordred19 ( Nice Avatar)
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#34 kulmiye
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"]my post. I never said AI is turned off when godmode is on. I never said anything about the AI turning off at all. The guy in the 25 minute demonstration of Killzone says that the game was in God mode. Vandalvideo

Edit - Wasn't talking about you...

the way KZ2's A.I. works when god mode is turned on it negates the a.i.Ragashahs

see...

Its not as bad as the Metal Gear Solid 4: "There was a loud barrel following over and now its rolling towards me.....lets keep walking and die."

You make a valid point there both games have a lot more work ahead of them.

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Look I'm going to say this once. PS3 and everything that is exclusive to PS3 is perfect in every way. PS3 is the best console of all times All things Sony are the direct creation from GOD. all hail sony the give and the taker all hail sony the savior of all man kind!! PS3 is infallible.
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Look I'm going to say this once. PS3 and everything that is exclusive to PS3 is perfect in every way. PS3 is the best console of all times All things Sony are the direct creation from GOD. all hail sony the give and the taker all hail sony the savior of all man kind!! PS3 is infallible.Nugtoka

Sarcasm not neccesary. Killzone still has time to work out it's probelms.

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[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"]my post. I never said AI is turned off when godmode is on. I never said anything about the AI turning off at all. The guy in the 25 minute demonstration of Killzone says that the game was in God mode. horrowhip

Edit - Wasn't talking about you...

the way KZ2's A.I. works when god mode is turned on it negates the a.i.Ragashahs

see...

what i means is the enemy A.I. acts as a group. lays covering fire, take turns to shoot, and when possible take up better positions(similar to liberation). in all the videos most of the people playing it just stand their and shoot but if god mode were taken off once you start taking too much damage you back track to some cover now this is where KZ's group dynamics comes in. the enemy's see the lapse in this and moves in together and set up at positions that give them the advantage, but when god mode is turned on there you don't go for cover. in all the vids we've seen so far the player just stands their taking all the hit and just charging up to the enemy without god mode you'd be dead in a couple seconds
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#38 ragrdoll21
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="l_The_DetoX_l"]my post. I never said AI is turned off when godmode is on. I never said anything about the AI turning off at all. The guy in the 25 minute demonstration of Killzone says that the game was in God mode. Vandalvideo

Edit - Wasn't talking about you...

the way KZ2's A.I. works when god mode is turned on it negates the a.i.Ragashahs

see...

Its not as bad as the Metal Gear Solid 4: "There was a loud barrel following over and now its rolling towards me.....lets keep walking and die."

Thats the Fun of MGS,some people get it and some don't.If they always jumped out of the way,why you would you use the barrel attack?!It's a MG thing,you don't understand.!;)
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#39 J-link
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Ugh... I'm getting Killzone1 flashbacks..

No! Dont run against the wall! Please?!

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[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phpcobrax25

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

haha yeah in the nanosuit playground demo level the AI BLEW. The enemies would stand there and the play would jump oveer a thing and just go up to him and bash him in the face with out getting shot.

It is probley because its on easy, i recall people saying gears had crap AI and its not nearly as bad as peopel said it was.

People are just looking for ways to diss it, killzone being good is just to hard for lemmings to accept.

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Its not even close to being finished yet, atleast give em a chance to work out the flaws before we judge

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Oh the Irony. Give em a chance? Cows have been hyping it AAAAAAAAAAAA since it was announced. Now its give em a chance? :shock:

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[QUOTE="Bballer101"]

Its not even close to being finished yet, atleast give em a chance to work out the flaws before we judge

Magical_Zebra

Oh the Irony. Give em a chance? Cows have been hyping it AAAAAAAAAAAA since it was announced. Now its give em a chance? :shock:

well it's not coming out until at least in half a year from now, so they can still hype it AAA, because they have enough time to make improvements

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#43 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="spidey008"]At least that is what Kotaku says: http://kotaku.com/gaming/gc07/killzone-2-hands-on-293495.phpSully28

I hate to be a cow.....but it is an early build.....I remember when Crysis had really bad AI at one point early in development....and now the previews are all calling it some of the best AI they have ever seen.

haha yeah in the nanosuit playground demo level the AI BLEW. The enemies would stand there and the play would jump oveer a thing and just go up to him and bash him in the face with out getting shot.

It is probley because its on easy, i recall people saying gears had crap AI and its not nearly as bad as peopel said it was.

People are just looking for ways to diss it, killzone being good is just to hard for lemmings to accept.

Hurray for criticizing the Very Easy level AI in Crysis... The Difference between Crysis and Killzone 2 is that the AI was on Medium-Hard at GC... That's sad. It WILL be fixed but its still sad none-the-less. Killzone 2 is a solid 8.5 or higherIMO.