Killzone 2 the Halo killer? I'm confused.

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#1 majadamus
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I can't believe I'm actually defending M$, but something needs to be said. Why have the Cows dubbed Killzone 2 as the Halo killer? The sales show that it sells like **** in comparison to Halo 3. The critics here at Gamespot have also scored Halo 3 higher than Killzone 2. Am I missing something here? Seems like Halo is alive and well, and Killzone 2 is just in the shadow of Halo 3's success.

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#2 Mr_Apple_Soup
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well, frankly, you represent the general opinion here (or so i'd like to believe...)

doesn't mean people aren't allowed to think killzone 2 is a better game then halo

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#3 majadamus
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well, frankly, you represent the general opinion here (or so i'd like to believe...)

doesn't mean people aren't allowed to think killzone 2 is a better game then halo

Mr_Apple_Soup

I'm trying to look at it objectively as possible. Killzone 2 was suppose to beat Halo 3 in sales, and critical acclaim (according to Cows). It did neither.

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#4 killa4lyfe
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I can't believe I'm actually defending M$, but something needs to be said. Why have the Cows dubbed Killzone 2 as the Halo killer? The sales show that it sells like **** in comparison to Halo 3. The critics here at Gamespot have also scored Halo 3 higher than Killzone 2. Am I missing something here? Seems like Halo is alive and well, and Killzone 2 is just in the shadow of Halo 3's success.

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tbh i dont think many cows acctually hyped it halo killer, it was mostly the fakeboys or lems. Maybe there were like a couple cows who acctually did but the general view is it didnt kill it. Most jus hyped it AAA and thats what it got :D. tbh we have had too many KZ2 vs....... threads or of the sort. cant we compare somethin else :?
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#5 Verge_6
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To be fair, not alot of Cows here hyped KZ2 as a 'halo-killer'. I think that term was automatically carried over from KZ2's predecessor, nothing more.

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#6 majadamus
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[QUOTE="majadamus"]

I can't believe I'm actually defending M$, but something needs to be said. Why have the Cows dubbed Killzone 2 as the Halo killer? The sales show that it sells like **** in comparison to Halo 3. The critics here at Gamespot have also scored Halo 3 higher than Killzone 2. Am I missing something here? Seems like Halo is alive and well, and Killzone 2 is just in the shadow of Halo 3's success.

killa4lyfe
tbh i dont think many cows acctually hyped it halo killer, it was mostly the fakeboys or lems. Maybe there were like a couple cows who acctually did but the general view is it didnt kill it. Most jus hyped it AAA and thats what it got :D. tbh we have had too many KZ2 vs....... threads or of the sort. cant we compare somethin else :?

I just want to clear something up. Cows did hype it to kill Halo 3. I see a fanboy around this forum now with a "Halo killer" signature.
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#7 killa4lyfe
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[QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"]

well, frankly, you represent the general opinion here (or so i'd like to believe...)

doesn't mean people aren't allowed to think killzone 2 is a better game then halo

majadamus

I'm trying to look at it objectively as possible. Killzone 2 was suppose to beat Halo 3 in sales, and critical acclaim (according to Cows). It did neither.

tbh i think that was like 2006-mid 07 hype. KZ2 had the best looking grfx then and still does but it was a much bigger margin then and you could tell too. So when games like MGS4, Uncharted, and GEARs2 came out, it wasnt a big difference between the games so the hype just wasn't the same. Thats how GG kinda shot themselves in the foot.
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Oooooh. This is a nice way to start a 20 page topic. Cows will say they never said it, which they really didn't (a few did, but it was hardly the majority) and the lems will rightly defend Halo's deserved top ranking status.

I got lots of popcorn. Who wants some?

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#10 killa4lyfe
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[QUOTE="majadamus"] I just want to clear something up. Cows did hype it to kill Halo 3. I see a fanboy around this forum now with a "Halo killer" signature.

yea well most of those who do say that are either a) die hard cows or B)Fake boys. I believe that its the latter
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#11 Mr_Apple_Soup
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[QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"]

well, frankly, you represent the general opinion here (or so i'd like to believe...)

doesn't mean people aren't allowed to think killzone 2 is a better game then halo

majadamus

I'm trying to look at it objectively as possible. Killzone 2 was suppose to beat Halo 3 in sales, and critical acclaim (according to Cows). It did neither.

according to cows? maybe the most extreme cows

think realisticly, what games actually DO outsell halo? wiifit? wiisports? big list there

i doubt anyone with any sort of knowledge on the topic ACTUALLY thought killzone was going to sell 8 million copies

and also, this is killzone TWO we're talking about, not the original one

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Oooooh. This is a nice way to start a 20 page topic. Cows will say they never said it, which they really didn't (a few did, but it was hardly the majority) and the lems will rightly defend Halo's deserved top ranking status.

I got lots of popcorn. Who wants some?

heretrix
o yea well i got the butter and the POPCORn! BAm! :P
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#13 II_Seraphim_II
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I can't believe I'm actually defending M$, but something needs to be said. Why have the Cows dubbed Killzone 2 as the Halo killer? The sales show that it sells like **** in comparison to Halo 3. The critics here at Gamespot have also scored Halo 3 higher than Killzone 2. Am I missing something here? Seems like Halo is alive and well, and Killzone 2 is just in the shadow of Halo 3's success.

majadamus
Umm...its mostly lemmings who call every FPS a "Halo Killer" :?
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#14 Dead-Memories
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[QUOTE="majadamus"] I just want to clear something up. Cows did hype it to kill Halo 3. I see a fanboy around this forum now with a "Halo killer" signature. killa4lyfe
yea well most of those who do say that are either a) die hard cows or B)Fake boys. I believe that its the latter

2/3 cows were jealous of Halo 3's success, naturally they would all hype their only competent FPS to be better by a margin of an already worn out game.
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#15 heretrix
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[QUOTE="majadamus"] I just want to clear something up. Cows did hype it to kill Halo 3. I see a fanboy around this forum now with a "Halo killer" signature. killa4lyfe
yea well most of those who do say that are either a) die hard cows or B)Fake boys. I believe that its the latter

There aren't many fakeboys in here anymore. I remember when it used to be a thing in here, now a lot of these guys are really ignorant straight up trolls. The whole fakeboy thing really doesn't fly anymore.

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#16 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"][QUOTE="majadamus"] I just want to clear something up. Cows did hype it to kill Halo 3. I see a fanboy around this forum now with a "Halo killer" signature. heretrix

yea well most of those who do say that are either a) die hard cows or B)Fake boys. I believe that its the latter

There aren't many fakeboys in here anymore. I remember when it used to be a thing in here, now a lot of these guys are really ignorant straight up trolls. The whole fakeboy thing really doesn't fly anymore.

Yup, those days are gone. I can usually tell when someone's a fakeboy, because they usually display excessive and blatant displays of intentional ignorance. Nowadays, I'm getting actual, down-to-the-bone ignorance. :?
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lol noob question, but what does cow stand for?
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#18 STRETCH-E
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Wasn't the Halo killer title given to the first Killzone game?

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#19 nmaharg
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I don't think KZ2 was said to be a Halo killer. KZ2 really hasn't done anything. For how much hype the game had it turned out mediocre.

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#20 Verge_6
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Wasn't the Halo killer title given to the first Killzone game?

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Yes, which was precisely my point.
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#21 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Mr_Apple_Soup"]

well, frankly, you represent the general opinion here (or so i'd like to believe...)

doesn't mean people aren't allowed to think killzone 2 is a better game then halo

majadamus

I'm trying to look at it objectively as possible. Killzone 2 was suppose to beat Halo 3 in sales, and critical acclaim (according to Cows). It did neither.

Critical acclaim i'll give you but I never saw a single thread about how KZ2 was going to outsell halo
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#22 majadamus
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Wasn't the Halo killer title given to the first Killzone game?

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Yes, which was precisely my point.

Yes, that is true, but there are still Cows out here who say Killzone 2 kills Halo 3 because of graphics alone. I remember the hype threads.
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I don't think KZ2 was said to be a Halo killer. KZ2 really hasn't done anything. For how much hype the game had it turned out mediocre.

nmaharg
Mediocre/AAA same thing right? There was a lot of Hype for Killzone 2 when the first trailer was shown then the hype really died down until around the month of release and there really was not to huge amounts of hype...
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#24 Englandfc1966
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It looks better, plays better has a better single player and multiplayer (even with the annoying errors..) that is why it's the Halo killer.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Oooooh. This is a nice way to start a 20 page topic. Cows will say they never said it, which they really didn't (a few did, but it was hardly the majority) and the lems will rightly defend Halo's deserved top ranking status.

I got lots of popcorn. Who wants some?

killa4lyfe

o yea well i got the butter and the POPCORn! BAm! :P

Cool. Now I don't have to share all that much. Lol.

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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Wasn't the Halo killer title given to the first Killzone game?

majadamus
Yes, which was precisely my point.

Yes, that is true, but there are still Cows out here who say Killzone 2 kills Halo 3 because of graphics alone. I remember the hype threads.

How many Cows... 2 Out of all the Cows on this web site... The ones you heard were few compared to the amount there really is on this site...
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No sane, honest person said it would outsell Halo 3. Outscore, maybe.
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#28 Nonstop-Madness
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Wasn't the Halo killer title given to the first Killzone game?

STRETCH-E
ditto. Plus its all comes down to opinion but in SW if we have an opinion we are flamed.
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#29 nmaharg
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

I don't think KZ2 was said to be a Halo killer. KZ2 really hasn't done anything. For how much hype the game had it turned out mediocre.

W1ckedGo0se
Mediocre/AAA same thing right? There was a lot of Hype for Killzone 2 when the first trailer was shown then the hype really died down until around the month of release and there really was not to huge amounts of hype...

GeoW2 got AA also. REVIEWS MEAN NOTHING. Kz2 like many other games rated AAA by reviewers is trash. I've played it at it's highest lvl, and their really isn't much good I can say about it.
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#30 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"] yea well most of those who do say that are either a) die hard cows or B)Fake boys. I believe that its the latterVerge_6

There aren't many fakeboys in here anymore. I remember when it used to be a thing in here, now a lot of these guys are really ignorant straight up trolls. The whole fakeboy thing really doesn't fly anymore.

Yup, those days are gone. I can usually tell when someone's a fakeboy, because they usually display excessive and blatant displays of intentional ignorance. Nowadays, I'm getting actual, down-to-the-bone ignorance. :?

Yeah, the fakeboys have been replaced with serial ban dodgers.

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its better in everyway except casual'ness. everyone and thier mom has a halo game. how do sales make a game better'? they dont

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It looks better, plays better has a better single player and multiplayer (even with the annoying errors..) that is why it's the Halo killer.Englandfc1966
Oh... I hate you... My K/D is only 1.67 and I'm still a Brigade General....
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#34 heretrix
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No sane, honest person said it would outsell Halo 3. Outscore, maybe.Floppy_Jim
That's the problem Jim, not many sane honest people hype games in the first place.

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[QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]It looks better, plays better has a better single player and multiplayer (even with the annoying errors..) that is why it's the Halo killer.nmaharg
If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.

Is that why you have pretty much all the KZ2 trophies for online play?

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#36 Animal-Mother
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No sane, honest person said it would outsell Halo 3. Outscore, maybe.Floppy_Jim
That's what we call end game
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[QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]It looks better, plays better has a better single player and multiplayer (even with the annoying errors..) that is why it's the Halo killer.nmaharg
If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.

Yes your Opinion is wrong... Did you read what you just typed? How can someones Opinion of something be Void... Opinions are not Fact...
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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]No sane, honest person said it would outsell Halo 3. Outscore, maybe.heretrix

That's the problem Jim, not many sane honest people hype games in the first place.




A lot of people used to back when SW was actually fun.

Nowadays it's all sales thread and "Hey is that an opinion? Well that's invalid then!"

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[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]It looks better, plays better has a better single player and multiplayer (even with the annoying errors..) that is why it's the Halo killer.STRETCH-E

If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.

Is that why you have pretty much all the KZ2 trophies for online play?

That just means I don't talk about games I haven't played.
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#40 -Melix-
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[QUOTE="Englandfc1966"]It looks better, plays better has a better single player and multiplayer (even with the annoying errors..) that is why it's the Halo killer.nmaharg
If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.

Well, people have different opinions no need to disrespect

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#42 STRETCH-E
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.nmaharg

Is that why you have pretty much all the KZ2 trophies for online play?

That just means I don't talk about games I haven't played.

Right, it was so bad you just had to complete it 100%.

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#43 nmaharg
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Is that why you have pretty much all the KZ2 trophies for online play?

STRETCH-E

That just means I don't talk about games I haven't played.

Right, it was so bad you just had to complete it 100%.

I got the red ribbon my first week online.... As for the rest of the unlocks, im not even close. I only played medic, seeing how most of the time I spent online was in clan matches.
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#44 W1ckedGo0se
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[QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.nmaharg

Is that why you have pretty much all the KZ2 trophies for online play?

That just means I don't talk about games I haven't played.

I think its fun... I have 2 Days played Almost... 1.67K/D and I'm a Brigade General.... Wasteland Bullet is my Favorite Map Right now...
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.

Yes your Opinion is wrong... Did you read what you just typed? How can someones Opinion of something be Void... Opinions are not Fact...

No they aren't fact. They can however be stupid. Like KZ2 being good online is a stupid opinion.

Once again I think it has a good online... I like the Medal System and how you can switch the Second Abilities with classes... Other Online Shooters that I've Really gotten into: Halo 2, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, and Resistance 2... Out of those I have the Most time in Halo 2... I was a 36 and had over 8,000 games played....
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]No sane, honest person said it would outsell Halo 3. Outscore, maybe.STRETCH-E

That's the problem Jim, not many sane honest people hype games in the first place.




A lot of people used to back when SW was actually fun.

Nowadays it's all sales thread and "Hey is that an opinion? Well that's invalid then!"

Yeah. Hyped threads used to mean something (somewhat). Now people purposely underhype games to avoid ownage as if someone is going to come into their house and slap them with a white glove and take their console or something. Either that or they hype a game for months only to say they aren't hyping it anymore as if that erases the months of annoying threads about how this game pwns that game. It's all ridiculously stupid.

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#47 nmaharg
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="STRETCH-E"]

Is that why you have pretty much all the KZ2 trophies for online play?

W1ckedGo0se

That just means I don't talk about games I haven't played.

I think its fun... I have 2 Days played Almost... 1.67K/D and I'm a Brigade General.... Wasteland Bullet is my Favorite Map Right now...

It was fun my first 5 hours maybe. Then you run into all the gameplay issues and thats goes straight away. KZ2 is alot of things online, fun isn't one. Maybe you just get off on destroying the weak players that infest the game.

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[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] If you think KZ2 is good online you're opinion on games is void.

Yes your Opinion is wrong... Did you read what you just typed? How can someones Opinion of something be Void... Opinions are not Fact...

No they aren't fact. They can however be stupid. Like KZ2 being good online is a stupid opinion.

How is the world do you not like KZ2 online if your ranked 7038 online ??
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#49 nmaharg
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[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"] Yes your Opinion is wrong... Did you read what you just typed? How can someones Opinion of something be Void... Opinions are not Fact...

No they aren't fact. They can however be stupid. Like KZ2 being good online is a stupid opinion.

Once again I think it has a good online... I like the Medal System and how you can switch the Second Abilities with classes... Other Online Shooters that I've Really gotten into: Halo 2, Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, and Resistance 2... Out of those I have the Most time in Halo 2... I was a 36 and had over 8,000 games played....

Classes should be classes, not glorified perks. When half the "classes" are broken whats the point? Think what you want, but KZ2 is far from good online. You've yet to see the light.
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#50 heretrix
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its better in everyway except casual'ness. everyone and thier mom has a halo game. how do sales make a game better'? they dont

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Yeah, lets just ignore the solid multiplayer that is pretty much universally respected. It's all sales.