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#1 FatedX360
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So there's been alot of people saying Xbox will fail bc of Kinect. maybe. maybe not. but what if it becomes successful? i know a bunch of people are going to say..."No not a chance." Fact is....this IS the technology of the future. The way we advance in technology these days, it'll be sooner or later that millions of electronics will have similar more advanced tech. Touchscreens have been making waves this past decade and have u noticed how almost everything out there is "touch sensitive" now? Like it or not, controllers will be obsolete in the future, hopefully not anytime soon but they will be. Oh and guys...Kinect is not replacing the Xbox controller...Games that were designed for the controller just that...Games designed with kinect is just that. Don't expect to play CoD or Halo on Kinect, its common sense but then again System Wars intellect skips the common sense phase all together. Kinect probably won't be breaking any ground this year, but in the following years, expect the tech to go further than any of you thought, point of the thread is, Kinect is a small glimpse of the next decade in technology.

P.S. - THIS SIMPLY ISN'T ABOUT GAMING. Its technology in general.

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#2 Foliage-King
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It is the tech of the future. Also known as pseye2 ;)

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#3 110million
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Too many major shortcomings to have monumental impact.
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Have we figured out how to walk?

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#5 Brownesque
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kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.
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#6 Silverbond
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Have we figured out how to walk?

Mogotoo

Or turn around and still be able to see the screen?

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#7 FatedX360
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kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.Brownesque
Maybe, maybe not but this isn't simply about gaming. Its about tech in general.

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#8 110million
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.FatedX360
Maybe, maybe not but this isn't simply about gaming. Its about its tech.

Which isn't terribly innovative really, its using the Playstation Eye in a different way, its interesting they were able to record joints and detect motion through that, this is new to Kinect, but without letting you sit down for ANY kind of game, this is a massive failure, playing racing and such standing up isn't cool. Also, I'm a college student, I barely have enough room in front of my TV at all, room for a whole new tech that requires you to stand a good distance from the camera is bleh.
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Its going to be moderately successful period. But it sure as hell isn't the future. And Microsoft doesn't have the talent to make mega blockbuster titles. Neither does Sony really and that's what these devices need.

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#10 FatedX360
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[QUOTE="FatedX360"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.110million
Maybe, maybe not but this isn't simply about gaming. Its about its tech.

Which isn't terribly innovative really, its using the Playstation Eye in a different way, its interesting they were able to record joints and detect motion through that, this is new to Kinect, but without letting you sit down for ANY kind of game, this is a massive failure, playing racing and such standing up isn't cool. Also, I'm a college student, I barely have enough room in front of my TV at all, room for a whole new tech that requires you to stand a good distance from the camera is bleh.

Of course Kinect will have its flaws, the technology behind it is fairly new to consumers. Eventually things with similar tech will be more advanced than the kinect. Its certainly a new bandwagon to jump on for companies, Sony may join the jump and test its waters with its other products in the next decade.
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#11 88mphSlayer
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if there's a future in Kinect it won't be from Microsoft's current strategy

the fact that the only 2 games worth mentioning are 3rd party says something when Microsoft has put a lot of emphasis on their 1st party lineup

anyways i think being critical of something new is NEVER bad, people like to complain about complaining, but would the PS3 have been as good if we just accepted ridge racer and giant enemy crab as excellent additions to our industry? NO, similarly Kinectimals and Wii rip-offs need to DIAF

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#12 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.FatedX360

Maybe, maybe not but this isn't simply about gaming. Its about itech in general.

kinect has already established itself a technologically interesting piece.... But your own OP claims that traditional controllers are obsolete....so my question is, where is the software that demonstrates this fact? Nowhere. Nobody can even explain how Natal is supposed to replicate old mechanics, let alone exceed them, without being tedious and pointless...Natal's contribution to me seems obvious....alternative controls for alternative games. For godsake, the best MS can come up with is party gamez....
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#13 FatedX360
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[QUOTE="FatedX360"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.Brownesque

Maybe, maybe not but this isn't simply about gaming. Its about itech in general.

kinect has already established itself a technologically interesting piece.... But your own OP claims that traditional controllers are obsolete....so my question is, where is the software that demonstrates this fact? Nowhere. Nobody can even explain how Natal is supposed to replicate old mechanics, let alone exceed them, without being tedious and pointless...Natal's contribution to me seems obvious....alternative controls for alternative games. For godsake, the best MS can come up with is party gamez....

I never stated that controllers are obsolete. i said it most likely will be in the future, which i hope isnt anytime soon. I love using a physical controller as much as anyone else
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I'll be honest, I think Kinect is going to fall on its face and is going to be a major hardware fail. However, I'll be the first to admit that the technology behind Kinect is something that i'd like to see expanded and extrapolated on for the future. For computers, for gaming, for electronics in general. It's going to be a slow process, full of trial and error, but the more widespread this tech becomes, the closer we come to true VR. Of course, I also believe that true VR is going to require brain censors and stuff like that, which frankly scares the crap out of me lol.
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So far, it is the future in the same way the Virtual Boy was. It's showing openly noticeable lag, inaccuracy, and general limited use. All in all, it seems like technology that is simply too soon for its own good.
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are you series?:o
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[QUOTE="Greyfeld"]I'll be honest, I think Kinect is going to fall on its face and is going to be a major hardware fail. However, I'll be the first to admit that the technology behind Kinect is something that i'd like to see expanded and extrapolated on for the future. For computers, for gaming, for electronics in general. It's going to be a slow process, full of trial and error, but the more widespread this tech becomes, the closer we come to true VR. Of course, I also believe that true VR is going to require brain censors and stuff like that, which frankly scares the crap out of me lol.

If VR comes anytime soon, i hope to god we don't have to have holes surgically put into out bodies for us to use the tech *cough*matrix*cough*
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#18 110million
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[QUOTE="FatedX360"][QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="FatedX360"] Maybe, maybe not but this isn't simply about gaming. Its about its tech.

Which isn't terribly innovative really, its using the Playstation Eye in a different way, its interesting they were able to record joints and detect motion through that, this is new to Kinect, but without letting you sit down for ANY kind of game, this is a massive failure, playing racing and such standing up isn't cool. Also, I'm a college student, I barely have enough room in front of my TV at all, room for a whole new tech that requires you to stand a good distance from the camera is bleh.

Of course Kinect will have its flaws, the technology behind it is fairly new to consumers. Eventually things with similar tech will be more advanced than the kinect. Its certainly a new bandwagon to jump on for companies, Sony may join the jump and test its waters with its other products in the next decade.

Other companies can't jump on the Kinect bandwagon, that isn't a bandwagon, MS jumped on the motion bandwagon that nintendo started, they are combining Playstation Eye's basic concepts, with some Wii motion in there, plus a couple of their own twists, it isn't something innovative, its merely re-using some existing ideas, if this does take off in the future, you can't exactly say MS started some sort of revolution just because they used other people's technology.
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so was the Virtual Boy...

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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="FatedX360"][QUOTE="110million"] Which isn't terribly innovative really, its using the Playstation Eye in a different way, its interesting they were able to record joints and detect motion through that, this is new to Kinect, but without letting you sit down for ANY kind of game, this is a massive failure, playing racing and such standing up isn't cool. Also, I'm a college student, I barely have enough room in front of my TV at all, room for a whole new tech that requires you to stand a good distance from the camera is bleh.

Of course Kinect will have its flaws, the technology behind it is fairly new to consumers. Eventually things with similar tech will be more advanced than the kinect. Its certainly a new bandwagon to jump on for companies, Sony may join the jump and test its waters with its other products in the next decade.

Other companies can't jump on the Kinect bandwagon, that isn't a bandwagon, MS jumped on the motion bandwagon that nintendo started, they are combining Playstation Eye's basic concepts, with some Wii motion in there, plus a couple of their own twists, it isn't something innovative, its merely re-using some existing ideas, if this does take off in the future, you can't exactly say MS started some sort of revolution just because they used other people's technology.

I never said MS was the founding father of the tech. Its certainly been shown before, but the general public has never quite seen this tech yet nor have they been able to access them as consumers.
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you do know that Kinect uses the same tech used in the eyetoy, 3DV
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#22 FatedX360
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so was the Virtual Boy...

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The virtual boy was the predecessor to the 3DS....Nintendo simply learned from their mistakes and it happens to be while 3d is re-emerging itself.
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#23 Foliage-King
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you do know that Kinect uses the same tech used in the eyetoy, 3DVKevinButlerVP
Kinect does have its differences though. Pseye is like looking with 1 eye (no depth) kinect is like looking with with 2 eyes (ability to sense depth) This is because natal has two lenses. Natal is also more accurate
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you do know that Kinect uses the same tech used in the eyetoy, 3DVKevinButlerVP
the Kinect is a redesigned 3DV. The rights to the Zcam were sold to Microsoft and thats what became Kinect.
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it looks pretty stupid to me. I'd rather player the Wii or PS3 motion controller.

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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]you do know that Kinect uses the same tech used in the eyetoy, 3DVFatedX360
the Kinect is a redesigned 3DV. The rights to the Zcam were sold to Microsoft and thats what became Kinect.

yeah, it's nothing new... I don't think Kinect can even sense on the Z-axis
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So was the Dreamcast. It had online, and some motion sensing tech. Also, the analog placement.

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[QUOTE="FatedX360"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]you do know that Kinect uses the same tech used in the eyetoy, 3DVKevinButlerVP
the Kinect is a redesigned 3DV. The rights to the Zcam were sold to Microsoft and thats what became Kinect.

yeah, it's nothing new... I don't think Kinect can even sense on the Z-axis

yes it can..... It has two lenses
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What is wrong with you people! He is not saying Kinect is the future and microsoft is great and whatever, he's saying that the innovation of extreme motion sensing is going to catch on, whether we like it or not.

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#30 110million
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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="FatedX360"] the Kinect is a redesigned 3DV. The rights to the Zcam were sold to Microsoft and thats what became Kinect.Foliage-King
yeah, it's nothing new... I don't think Kinect can even sense on the Z-axis

yes it can..... It has two lenses

What games have actually used that though? So far everything they show works on a 2D plane only, besides, it doesn't make too much sense to let you like walk back and fourth, thats just dangerous.
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#31 FatedX360
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What is wrong with you people! He is not saying Kinect is the future and microsoft is great and whatever, he's saying that the innovation of extreme motion sensing is going to catch on, whether we like it or not.

D1st0rtedFate
Thank you lol
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THIS SIMPLY ISN'T ABOUT GAMING. Its technology in general.

FatedX360

Kinect is a camera. Everything that makes Kinect work is based on the technology of a camera. Cameras are not new stuff, guys. Also, It DOES NOT track motion like the Wii Motion Plus does. It tracks what the camera "sees". Anything that obstructs that line of sight or vision, such as darkness, brightness, color, etc will affect it's functionality... like a camera. Ever notice how some things don't always capture perfectly on a camera? Well then, there you go. This is why Nintendo opted to NOT use camera based technology and went with Gyroscopes and infrared sensors and all their other gizmos... because through their trials and errors with the very same technology that Kinect is using, they found that Infrared and Gryoscopes are specifically designed and better suited for measuring and tracking motion than a camera is. Kinect will work. But there will be flaws. We'll all come across these flaws and we'll see for ourselves. Because it's a CAMERA. And It will have all the same limitations of a camera.

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[QUOTE="FatedX360"]

THIS SIMPLY ISN'T ABOUT GAMING. Its technology in general.

Micropixel
Kinect is a camera. Everything that makes Kinect work is based on the technology of a camera. Cameras are not new stuff, guys. Also, It DOES NOT track motion like the Wii Motion Plus does. It tracks what the camera "sees". Anything that obstructs that line of sight or vision, such as darkness, brightness, color, etc will affect it's functionality... like a camera. Every notice how some things don't always capture perfectly on a camera? Well then, there you go. This is why Nintendo opted to NOT use camera based technology and went with Gyroscopes and infrared sensors and all their other gizmos... because through their trials and errors with the very same technology that Kinect is using, they found that Infrared and Gryoscopes are specifically designed and better suited for measuring and tracking motion than a camera is. Kinect will work. But there will be flaws. We'll all come across these flaws and we'll see for ourselves. Because it's a CAMERA. And It will have all the same limitations of a camera.

Yes its a camera. and will have a set of limitations but its a new step to what a camera can do is it not?
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#34 felipebo
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Its going to be moderately successful period. But it sure as hell isn't the future. And Microsoft doesn't have the talent to make mega blockbuster titles. Neither does Sony really and that's what these devices need.

ActicEdge

Yes, it *will* be a successful period. As in a menstruation. Cookie for the who gets the reference.

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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Foliage-King"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] yeah, it's nothing new... I don't think Kinect can even sense on the Z-axis

yes it can..... It has two lenses

What games have actually used that though? So far everything they show works on a 2D plane only, besides, it doesn't make too much sense to let you like walk back and fourth, thats just dangerous.

Well move and even wiimote can sense depth by measuring ir wavelengths and determining the size of the orb. Depth is needed for games why track the users hand moving forward. Its not just about shaking our bodies
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[QUOTE="Micropixel"][QUOTE="FatedX360"]

THIS SIMPLY ISN'T ABOUT GAMING. Its technology in general.

FatedX360

Kinect is a camera. Everything that makes Kinect work is based on the technology of a camera. Cameras are not new stuff, guys. Also, It DOES NOT track motion like the Wii Motion Plus does. It tracks what the camera "sees". Anything that obstructs that line of sight or vision, such as darkness, brightness, color, etc will affect it's functionality... like a camera. Every notice how some things don't always capture perfectly on a camera? Well then, there you go. This is why Nintendo opted to NOT use camera based technology and went with Gyroscopes and infrared sensors and all their other gizmos... because through their trials and errors with the very same technology that Kinect is using, they found that Infrared and Gryoscopes are specifically designed and better suited for measuring and tracking motion than a camera is. Kinect will work. But there will be flaws. We'll all come across these flaws and we'll see for ourselves. Because it's a CAMERA. And It will have all the same limitations of a camera.

Yes its a camera. and will have a set of limitations but its a new step to what a camera can do is it not?

Well, what does it do that every other camera in the world can't? It's not tracking anything other than visuals. It's not measuring anything else.

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[QUOTE="FatedX360"][QUOTE="Micropixel"] Kinect is a camera. Everything that makes Kinect work is based on the technology of a camera. Cameras are not new stuff, guys. Also, It DOES NOT track motion like the Wii Motion Plus does. It tracks what the camera "sees". Anything that obstructs that line of sight or vision, such as darkness, brightness, color, etc will affect it's functionality... like a camera. Every notice how some things don't always capture perfectly on a camera? Well then, there you go. This is why Nintendo opted to NOT use camera based technology and went with Gyroscopes and infrared sensors and all their other gizmos... because through their trials and errors with the very same technology that Kinect is using, they found that Infrared and Gryoscopes are specifically designed and better suited for measuring and tracking motion than a camera is. Kinect will work. But there will be flaws. We'll all come across these flaws and we'll see for ourselves. Because it's a CAMERA. And It will have all the same limitations of a camera.Micropixel

Yes its a camera. and will have a set of limitations but its a new step to what a camera can do is it not?

Well, what does it do that every other camera in the world can't? It's not tracking anything other than visuals. It's not measuring anything else.

The ability of advanced interactive A.I. being able to recognize and respond on the actions of the individual thats performing in front of the camera
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Sony may join the jump and test its waters with its other products in the next decade.FatedX360
? They've already done this stuff, it's called eyetoy. This is not new stuff.
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No one is saying the Xbox will fail because of Kinect, Kinect will fail it was made to be a interface but with the huge motion craze M$ decided to try and use it for games which is why all the games look weak because its a concept that does not work with alot of games.
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[QUOTE="FatedX360"]Sony may join the jump and test its waters with its other products in the next decade.AndromedasWake
? They've already done this stuff, it's called eyetoy. This is not new stuff.

They're not the same....simple as that...
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They're not the same....simple as that...FatedX360
Looks close enough to the same to me, even right down to the games. Hey, it may be cool, really. I actually would love to try out that game for the PS3, eyepet, I think? The one with the monkey, it looks neat, and my niece would love it. Just hasn't been released here in the states for some reason.
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[QUOTE="FatedX360"]They're not the same....simple as that...AndromedasWake
Looks close enough to the same to me, even right down to the games. Hey, it may be cool, really. I actually would love to try out that game for the PS3, eyepet, I think? The one with the monkey, it looks neat, and my niece would love it. Just hasn't been released here in the states for some reason.

ok let me elaborate a little bit.... the PS Eye just see's you like a normal camera, simply the image comes back like a simple webcam. the Kinect on the otherhand, see's you like an X-Ray would (in the sense that it somewhat see's your bones)...it'll scan your body and pin-point your major joints and uses those as its references for its software to use as its "controller" in whatever way the game developer wanted.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Its going to be moderately successful period. But it sure as hell isn't the future. And Microsoft doesn't have the talent to make mega blockbuster titles. Neither does Sony really and that's what these devices need.

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Yes, it *will* be a successful period. As in a menstruation. Cookie for the who gets the reference.

I've heard it before...just can't remember where dammit!
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#44 shinrabanshou
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No.

G-speak is a glimpse of the future and it's been demoed since like 2005.

It's the only gestural interface system that should really be claiming Minority Report-like controls, not only because it's the only one that really does them properly, but because one of the engineers behind it was a consultant for that movie.

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#45 Shewgenja
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I find it ironic that people who were saying a controller without vibration was a step backward are now saying that controllerless gaming is the future.

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#46 Tigerrus
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[QUOTE="AndromedasWake"][QUOTE="FatedX360"]They're not the same....simple as that...FatedX360

Looks close enough to the same to me, even right down to the games. Hey, it may be cool, really. I actually would love to try out that game for the PS3, eyepet, I think? The one with the monkey, it looks neat, and my niece would love it. Just hasn't been released here in the states for some reason.

ok let me elaborate a little bit.... the PS Eye just see's you like a normal camera, simply the image comes back like a simple webcam. the Kinect on the otherhand, see's you like an X-Ray would (in the sense that it somewhat see's your bones)...it'll scan your body and pin-point your major joints and uses those as its references for its software to use as its "controller" in whatever way the game developer wanted.

That is actually more so software improvements than hardware improvements. Take away the software and kinnect is just another eyetoy now only with 2 cameras instead of 1. So I agree the software of kinnect is a major improvement, the idea of two cameras was actually a good idea that should have cam with the PSeye.(since Sony was already dealing with camera sensing) Though the move probably will succed better than kinnect for one reason and one reason alone people like to hold props and press buttons. The move has you gripping onto something and has a form of rumble force feedback it can get people put into the game more. Though then again kinnect would be better for boxing like games because you can really do the movements and make fists like you mean it.
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#47 FatedX360
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No.

G-speak is a glimpse of the future and it's been demoed since like 2005.

It's the only gestural interface system that should really be claiming Minority Report-like controls, not only because it's the only one that really does them properly, but because one of the engineers behind it was a consultant for that movie.

shinrabanshou
That is freaking impressive, but I don't think consumers have wide access to that as Kinect will, Kinect is simply introducing the general public to Gesture Recognition deviced. However, I'd like to keep an eye on that G-Speak thing,
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#48 FatedX360
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[QUOTE="FatedX360"]

[QUOTE="AndromedasWake"] Looks close enough to the same to me, even right down to the games. Hey, it may be cool, really. I actually would love to try out that game for the PS3, eyepet, I think? The one with the monkey, it looks neat, and my niece would love it. Just hasn't been released here in the states for some reason.Tigerrus

ok let me elaborate a little bit.... the PS Eye just see's you like a normal camera, simply the image comes back like a simple webcam. the Kinect on the otherhand, see's you like an X-Ray would (in the sense that it somewhat see's your bones)...it'll scan your body and pin-point your major joints and uses those as its references for its software to use as its "controller" in whatever way the game developer wanted.

That is actually more so software improvements than hardware improvements. Take away the software and kinnect is just another eyetoy now only with 2 cameras instead of 1. So I agree the software of kinnect is a major improvement, the idea of two cameras was actually a good idea that should have cam with the PSeye.(since Sony was already dealing with camera sensing) Though the move probably will succed better than kinnect for one reason and one reason alone people like to hold props and press buttons. The move has you gripping onto something and has a form of rumble force feedback it can get people put into the game more. Though then again kinnect would be better for boxing like games because you can really do the movements and make fists like you mean it.

I love using a physical controller as much as u do and will probably buy the Move as well as the Kinect, but soon enough controllers will be gone as technology advances, its hard to believe that but its an opening door.
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kinect will have no part in the future if they fail to develop games as deep as those from traditional mechanics.Brownesque
This, this, this.
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#50 badtaker
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It is the tech of the future. Also known as pseye2 ;)

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