Kinect is working its magic - Lionhead Studios layoffs

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#1 KiZZo1
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It seems that 360's flagship this year - Fable: The Journey failed to help folks at Lionhead keep their jobs. Analogies with Rare and the consequences of their proximity to Kinect development are inevitable.

Other questions arise too - do lems buy their highly rated exclusives?

The story: The Microsoft Lays Off Undisclosed Number of Lionhead Studios Employees

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#2 Meeeper282
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Obviously, lems hyped this game up all year, guess they forgot to buy it, doubt anyone brought this game infact just another flop to add to 360's list

It joins forza horizon.

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#5 hippiesanta
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Kinect = Soccermom's companion
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#6 Heil68
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Most studios do this after a game is released. Cant pay workers just to sit around.
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#7 bobbetybob
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

It seems that 360's flagship this year - Fable: The Journey failed to help folks at Lionhead keep their jobs. Analogies with Rare and the consequences of their proximity to Kinect development are inevitable.

Other questions arise too - do lems buy their highly rated exclusives?

The story: The Microsoft Lays Off Undisclosed Number of Lionhead Studios Employees

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old, and if you read the story, its pretty clear whats happening. its not unusual for devs to take on extra staff close to the end of production on a game and lay off some before starting next project.

Yeah I was just about to say that. Their next game might be something on XBLA, or a smaller scale production, no point having tons of staff lying around if you don't need them.
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#8 OhSnapitz
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Soooooo... you're using people losing their jobs as ammo now? :|

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#9 kuraimen
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All lems got duped into buying Kinect but non use it. M$ sold them the ultimate dust collecting device.
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#10 lx_theo
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Lems don't buy their exclusives, guess we know why MS refuses to give them any others.

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Kinect is crap, Kinect games are crap, so I don't care really.
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[QUOTE="bobbetybob"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] old, and if you read the story, its pretty clear whats happening. its not unusual for devs to take on extra staff close to the end of production on a game and lay off some before starting next project.sts106mat

Yeah I was just about to say that. Their next game might be something on XBLA, or a smaller scale production, no point having tons of staff lying around if you don't need them.

the link that i provided also clearly says "the jobs are at risk of redundancy" but they might find work within other MS game studios, which opened in London this year. they expect to take on another 100 staff too.

Cows are so quick to damage control these days, they dont read things.......

This goes beyond DC.. They're celebrating M$ studio employees losing their jobs. Only thing I can say is may they all have a "successful" life themselves..
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Most studios do this after a game is released. Cant pay workers just to sit around. Heil68

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#15 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"]

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"] Yeah I was just about to say that. Their next game might be something on XBLA, or a smaller scale production, no point having tons of staff lying around if you don't need them.OhSnapitz

the link that i provided also clearly says "the jobs are at risk of redundancy" but they might find work within other MS game studios, which opened in London this year. they expect to take on another 100 staff too.

Cows are so quick to damage control these days, they dont read things.......

This goes beyond DC.. They're celebrating M$ studio employees losing their jobs. Only thing I can say is may they all have a "successful" life themselves..

Lems have been celebrating all year that Sony is going broke :|
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Soooooo... you're using people losing their jobs as ammo now? :|

OhSnapitz
It's proving to be very effective ammo.
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#18 coasterguy65
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It's really hard to believe such gaming "experts" don't know this happens after every big game is released. Studios take on extra help in the final push to finish a game.

Sony's studios do this too, it's just that no one is scouring the internet looking for every little bit of bad news about Sony just so they can link it here on SWs.

However if the PS3 fanboys want to try and claim this as ownership they can...goodness knows they need some kind of good news.

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#19 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] This goes beyond DC.. They're celebrating M$ studio employees losing their jobs. Only thing I can say is may they all have a "successful" life themselves..

Lems have been celebrating all year that Sony is going broke :|

any lems that have "celebrated" that, have been lambasted by other lems and hermits. try harder failed troll.

Yeah right, prove it.
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#20 SecretPolice
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Eh, all I can think of is... Good, Good, let the Bu.... well, you know the rest. :P

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#22 Sagem28
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Soooooo... you're using people losing their jobs as ammo now? :|

OhSnapitz

Nothing new for SW.

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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] any lems that have "celebrated" that, have been lambasted by other lems and hermits. try harder failed troll.

Yeah right, prove it.

you prove the lems have been celebrating first, since you made the claim.

It's pretty obvious but here just one example. I see 90% of lems in that thread making fun of it and using it as ammo against cows. And definitely not outrage against them. http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29147216/since-sony-is-probably-going-to-become-bankrupt-within-the-next-three-years....?page=0
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#24 KiZZo1
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There was no intention of gloating on my part, I worded it to attract some attention. I hope Lionhead recover and do not follow in the footsteps of Rare, or even worse - close down.

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There was no intention of gloating on my part, I worded it to attract some attention. I hope Lionhead recover and do not follow in the footsteps of Rare, or even worse - close down.

KiZZo1
You know this happens after every game right? People always move on to a different game or company where they are needed. Thats why when a new game starts development companies are always hiring for that project. Not every employee is hired for a permanent job.
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#27 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] you prove the lems have been celebrating first, since you made the claim.

It's pretty obvious but here just one example. I see 90% of lems in that thread making fun of it and using it as ammo against cows. And definitely not outrage against them. http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29147216/since-sony-is-probably-going-to-become-bankrupt-within-the-next-three-years....?page=0

its got to be a news story with sony employees losing their jobs to be comparable.

Lol yeah whatever... hypocrite.
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#29 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] its got to be a news story with sony employees losing their jobs to be comparable.

Lol yeah whatever... hypocrite.

"lol yeah whatever" typical response, you look a dumbass as usual.

Well you don't just look like one but you're a dumbass and a hypocrite it seems. Gloating over the bankrupt of a company is even worse than gloating over layoffs and somehow since they are lems it's alright... hypocrite.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol yeah whatever... hypocrite.

"lol yeah whatever" typical response, you look a dumbass as usual.

Well you don't just look like one but you're a dumbass and a hypocrite it seems. Gloating over the bankrupt of a company is even worse than gloating over layoffs and somehow since they are lems it's alright... hypocrite.

Don't you have a MGS Ground Zeroes petition to make or something? There is nothing for you in 2012 cow.
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] "lol yeah whatever" typical response, you look a dumbass as usual.

Well you don't just look like one but you're a dumbass and a hypocrite it seems. Gloating over the bankrupt of a company is even worse than gloating over layoffs and somehow since they are lems it's alright... hypocrite.

Don't you have a MGS Ground Zeroes petition to make or something? There is nothing for you in 2012 cow.

lol, really? You counter a legitimate point of hypocrisy with the no games in 2012 bark? They aren't even related, lol. How desperate are you?
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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well you don't just look like one but you're a dumbass and a hypocrite it seems. Gloating over the bankrupt of a company is even worse than gloating over layoffs and somehow since they are lems it's alright... hypocrite.

Don't you have a MGS Ground Zeroes petition to make or something? There is nothing for you in 2012 cow.

lol, really? You counter a legitimate point of hypocrisy with the no games in 2012 bark? They aren't even related, lol. How desperate are you?

Cause thats all I have to say is PS3 has no games and cows like you run to Sonys defense crying like you are right now. Shouldn't you be playing the Sony No Stars beta? you must have got bored of it already.
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Don't you have a MGS Ground Zeroes petition to make or something? There is nothing for you in 2012 cow.

lol, really? You counter a legitimate point of hypocrisy with the no games in 2012 bark? They aren't even related, lol. How desperate are you?

Cause thats all I have to say is PS3 has no games and cows like you run to Sonys defense crying like you are right now. Shouldn't you be playing the Sony No Stars beta? you must have got bored of it already.

I'm actually playing it, lol. Its called multitasking. Its what you do when you aren't so brain dead you can't do multiple things in one period of time. Though all you are doing is trying to deflect the argument of you being a hypocrite in the worst possible way. Funny how bad you lowest common denominator types are.
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#34 KiZZo1
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

There was no intention of gloating on my part, I worded it to attract some attention. I hope Lionhead recover and do not follow in the footsteps of Rare, or even worse - close down.

JohnnyCageMK

You know this happens after every game right? People always move on to a different game or company where they are needed. Thats why when a new game starts development companies are always hiring for that project. Not every employee is hired for a permanent job.

Wow, really? If a game does well commercially, couldn't the studio actually be enlarged for the next project or even have several projects running concurrently?

As for the temporary jobs a lot of these are based on contracts for a specific task. If you have a contract with a composer to write music for your game you don't have to lay him off after his job is done.

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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

There was no intention of gloating on my part, I worded it to attract some attention. I hope Lionhead recover and do not follow in the footsteps of Rare, or even worse - close down.

KiZZo1

You know this happens after every game right? People always move on to a different game or company where they are needed. Thats why when a new game starts development companies are always hiring for that project. Not every employee is hired for a permanent job.

Wow, really? If a game does well commercially, couldn't the studio actually be enlarged for the next project or even have several projects running concurrently?

As for the temporary jobs a lot of these are based on contracts for a specific task. If you have a contract with a composer to write music for your game you don't have to lay him off after his job is done.

You don't know what their roles were. Maybe the ones that got laid off were only brought in to develop for Kinect. They are probably getting started on Fable 4 now. Its part of the business. Every single company does this.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] "lol yeah whatever" typical response, you look a dumbass as usual. sts106mat

Well you don't just look like one but you're a dumbass and a hypocrite it seems. Gloating over the bankrupt of a company is even worse than gloating over layoffs and somehow since they are lems it's alright... hypocrite.

why is that? have sony gone bankrupt? I didn't know.

having a laugh at sony, one of the biggest companies in the world being in financial trouble, is not the same as claiming ownage in the fact that a few people maybe about to be made redundant.

you are eternally butthurt.

That financial trouble made them close Liverpool studio so yeah it implies layoffs hypocrite.
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Most 360 users don't give a rats ass about this childrens game. Flagship my ass.

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Most 360 users don't give a rats ass about this childrens game. Flagship my ass.

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This is true which is what makes it so funny. Nobody besides loosingends actually hyped it at all and cows are still butthurt over it getting a 8. I don't get why cows are so mad about it for. If they had just ignored it they wouldn't look so dumb.
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#41 El_Garbanzo
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Yet MS fails to see that peeps dont want this kinect garbage

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#42 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

Most 360 users don't give a rats ass about this childrens game. Flagship my ass.

JohnnyCageMK
This is true which is what makes it so funny. Nobody besides loosingends actually hyped it at all and cows are still butthurt over it getting a 8. I don't get why cows are so mad about it for. If they had just ignored it they wouldn't look so dumb.

LOL! Says the troll who made a thank you Microsoft thread for it
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="percuvius2"]

Most 360 users don't give a rats ass about this childrens game. Flagship my ass.

lx_theo

This is true which is what makes it so funny. Nobody besides loosingends actually hyped it at all and cows are still butthurt over it getting a 8. I don't get why cows are so mad about it for. If they had just ignored it they wouldn't look so dumb.

LOL! Says the troll who made a thank you Microsoft thread for it

:lol: I can see it made someone mad

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#44 SecretPolice
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Yet MS fails to see that peeps dont want this kinect garbage

El_Garbanzo

If SW = Real World then perhaps you'd have a valid point but nope, Kinect and it's games sell and usally sell a bunch. :o

For better or worse. :P

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Yeah...let's celebrate people losing their jobs. Stay classy System Wars.

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Thanks Kinect, thanks a lot

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[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] This is true which is what makes it so funny. Nobody besides loosingends actually hyped it at all and cows are still butthurt over it getting a 8. I don't get why cows are so mad about it for. If they had just ignored it they wouldn't look so dumb.JohnnyCageMK

LOL! Says the troll who made a thank you Microsoft thread for it

:lol: I can see it made someone mad

Nah, just laughing at your usual hypocrisy and sad desperation.
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"] was that before / after or during the period people were posting in that thread?

Here you go hypocrite. All fanboys are the same http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29269126/sonys-downsizing-a-timeline?page=0 In fact look at The_Game21x appearing so self-righteous up there while doing the same in a Sony thread.

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

I didn't realize that this lost pic can finally find its beloved owner: "Please buy something! ANYTHING!" :lol:

sinking ship

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Oh gawd. :lol:

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[QUOTE="sts106mat"] Here you go hypocrite. All fanboys are the same http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29269126/sonys-downsizing-a-timeline?page=0 In fact look at The_Game21x appearing so self-righteous up there while doing the same in a Sony thread. [QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

I didn't realize that this lost pic can finally find its beloved owner: "Please buy something! ANYTHING!" :lol:

sinking ship

kuraimen

Oh gawd. :lol:

OMG how dare anyone find that picture to be funny because it attacks your beloved Sony....oh the humanity

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[QUOTE="sts106mat"] was that before / after or during the period people were posting in that thread? kuraimen
Here you go hypocrite. All fanboys are the same http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29269126/sonys-downsizing-a-timeline?page=0 In fact look at The_Game21x appearing so self-righteous up there while doing the same in a Sony thread.

I found the picture funny and I commented as such. Sue me.

I have never once used people losing their jobs as ammo like this thread does. Not once. Go on and sift through my posting history if you want to try to prove that I have.