Kinect software outsells MOVE 13 to1, Bundles outsell MOVE by 5 to 1 (link)

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#101 worldsworstgame
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i dont believe patcher. the move came out first and its cheaper and its hardcore with core games. while the kinect is just an eyetoy imho that is $150 expensive with casual games, so the kinect can never catch up to the move

_SWAG_
Right, I'm sure Patcher just made it all up....seriously...are you in that much denial??
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#102 ermacness
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[QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

i dont believe patcher. the move came out first and its cheaper and its hardcore with core games. while the kinect is just an eyetoy imho that is $150 expensive with casual games, so the kinect can never catch up to the move

worldsworstgame

Right, I'm sure Patcher just made it all up....seriously...are you in that much denial??

because Patcher haven't been wrong before.:roll: Trust me, there's a reason why Patcher to information is equilavent to VG Charts to sales stats here. It didn't just happen overnight.

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#103 worldsworstgame
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[QUOTE="worldsworstgame"][QUOTE="_SWAG_"]

i dont believe patcher. the move came out first and its cheaper and its hardcore with core games. while the kinect is just an eyetoy imho that is $150 expensive with casual games, so the kinect can never catch up to the move

ermacness

Right, I'm sure Patcher just made it all up....seriously...are you in that much denial??

because Patcher haven't been wrong before.:roll: Trust me, there's a reason why Patcher to information is equilavent to VG Charts to sales stats here. It didn't just happen overnight.

No one is saying it happened overnight, but considering how hard MS pushed Kinect compared to Sony and Move, outselling Move by this much isn't really a surprise. Patcher has been wrong before, but he's been right also...this is more likely one of those times
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#104 yourafool
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[QUOTE="yourafool"]

[QUOTE="ermacness"]No, but it does provid eme with very important details in it though. I would ask you to read it, but the goggles won't let you read it correctly.

ermacness

you can't see the details with thosecow shades on. the ps3 biggest game could not move enougth systems to get ahead of the xbox 360, what makes you think the 2011 only ps3 games going to do it.

Since when did i state that the 2011 games will? What you seem to be doing, my friend, is missing out on the details. I see the details just fine, as i already stated that the 360 is ahead in total sales and overall library, but you seem to be overlooking others. Tsk tsk tsk;)

oh....you mean overlooking teh exclusives. i did'nt overlook that. but there are so many games comming out this year, most of the ps3 exclusives will get lost in the shuffle. only killzone 3, lbp 2,uncharted 3, and a few more will get any shine. as for the 360, lets see what happens at e3.

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#105 finalfantasy94
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The most important part of that Link was that Kinect Software outsold Move Software 13:1.

That means that developers will be more inclined to create innovative software for Kinect and probably be OK with just porting enhanced versions of Wii games for Move.

Good thing Sony will have to fully support the Move and hopefully that will bring us some creative games.

EG101

I think its more of "people will eat up anything so we dont have to do much work"

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#106 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="worldsworstgame"] Right, I'm sure Patcher just made it all up....seriously...are you in that much denial?? worldsworstgame

because Patcher haven't been wrong before.:roll: Trust me, there's a reason why Patcher to information is equilavent to VG Charts to sales stats here. It didn't just happen overnight.

No one is saying it happened overnight, but considering how hard MS pushed Kinect compared to Sony and Move, outselling Move by this much isn't really a surprise. Patcher has been wrong before, but he's been right also...this is more likely one of those times

Patcher is a hack. He does knows numbers and sales and thats about it. Anything els hes a just a hack and tries to sound like he knows the gaming world when he doesint.

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#107 kussese
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Great. Enjoy your new Kinect exclusives Lems :P

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#108 worldsworstgame
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[QUOTE="worldsworstgame"][QUOTE="ermacness"]because Patcher haven't been wrong before.:roll: Trust me, there's a reason why Patcher to information is equilavent to VG Charts to sales stats here. It didn't just happen overnight.

finalfantasy94

No one is saying it happened overnight, but considering how hard MS pushed Kinect compared to Sony and Move, outselling Move by this much isn't really a surprise. Patcher has been wrong before, but he's been right also...this is more likely one of those times

Patcher is a hack. He does knows numbers and sales and thats about it. Anything els hes a just a hack and tries to sound like he knows the gaming world when he doesint.

I agree, Patcher is a hack, but since this is about numbers and sales, he's probably right.
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#109 Lionheart08
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[QUOTE="EG101"]

The most important part of that Link was that Kinect Software outsold Move Software 13:1.

That means that developers will be more inclined to create innovative software for Kinect and probably be OK with just porting enhanced versions of Wii games for Move.

Good thing Sony will have to fully support the Move and hopefully that will bring us some creative games.

finalfantasy94

I think its more of "people will eat up anything so we dont have to do much work"

Seriously, what is the ratio of "Innovative Software" to Shovelware on the Wii again? :P

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#110 mgsbethatgame
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Xbox 360 more casual than PlayStation 3 am confirmed.bigboss5ak
Just because MS is having more success than sony with the casuals?? lol i guess all these hardcore games im playing doesn't really exist

No, but i know what does not exist your grammar good sir
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#111 catfishmoon23
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"Sony's Koller said Microsoft's Kinect shipment number is `very impressive' but Sony is `happy where we are in the market.'" (WSJ).

Thought it pertained to the topic at hand.

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#112 Cherokee_Jack
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MS marketing dollars > Sony marketing dollars.
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#113 Sp4rtan_3
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Looks like M$ even beats sony in the Gimmicky cash in add-on arena :lol:
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#114 spookykid143
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Looks like M$ even beats sony in the Gimmicky cash in add-on arena :lol:Sp4rtan_3
With 500 million spent on advertising you would presume they would

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#115 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Looks like M$ even beats sony in the Gimmicky cash in add-on arena :lol:spookykid143

With 500 million spent on advertising you would presume they would

I forgot Sony thought by the goodness in people hearts they would buy Move w/o really putting money into ad's.
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#116 spookykid143
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[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Looks like M$ even beats sony in the Gimmicky cash in add-on arena :lol:Sp4rtan_3

With 500 million spent on advertising you would presume they would

I forgot Sony thought by the goodness in people hearts they would buy Move w/o really putting money into ad's.

Sony doesn't have the money to spend 500 mil on advertising.

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#117 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="worldsworstgame"] No one is saying it happened overnight, but considering how hard MS pushed Kinect compared to Sony and Move, outselling Move by this much isn't really a surprise. Patcher has been wrong before, but he's been right also...this is more likely one of those timesworldsworstgame

Patcher is a hack. He does knows numbers and sales and thats about it. Anything els hes a just a hack and tries to sound like he knows the gaming world when he doesint.

I agree, Patcher is a hack, but since this is about numbers and sales, he's probably right.

These aren't Pachter's numbers. These are the numbers reported by NPD. Pachter is just commenting on the numbers reported.

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#118 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="spookykid143"]With 500 million spent on advertising you would presume they would

spookykid143

I forgot Sony thought by the goodness in people hearts they would buy Move w/o really putting money into ad's.

Sony doesn't have the money to spend 500 mil on advertising.

They dont and this is what happens when that occurs they get destroyed by M$
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#119 Blixxed
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Better games, better sales, Kinect.
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#120 WilliamRLBaker
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Ya, Pachter is incredibly accurate. He was only off 500k with his estimate of 360's sold this Christmas! I mean, that is pretty close, no!!??

Chutebox
Actually in the analyst world that is pretty close...We all make fun of Pachter but we only ever concentrate on the stuff he gets wrong...What about the stuff he gets right and usually close too right...Pachter keeps getting paid, people make fun of him but he wouldn't keep getting paid for what he does if he was 100% wrong all the time.
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#121 Hakkai007
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World wide, yes. I just got back from Tokyo over the weekend.

Ironically, in the Akihabra electronic center, NOT A SINGLE soul was at the 360 section. It amazes me really. They are not very giving into westernized products.

Squall18

That is how the Japanese generally are.

They don't treat many western products well.

There is Apple but they work magic with advertising.

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#122 headninjadog
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[QUOTE="Squall18"]

World wide, yes. I just got back from Tokyo over the weekend.

Ironically, in the Akihabra electronic center, NOT A SINGLE soul was at the 360 section. It amazes me really. They are not very giving into westernized products.

Hakkai007

That is how the Japanese generally are.

They don't treat many western products well.

There is Apple but they work magic with advertising.

Kinect/natal was made by a company in Israel and not in America so it's not really like an American/Western invention. America's popular culture is very dominant around the world and Japan such as our movies, television etc. Is it so wrong that they support what they make well like electronics, cars and anime cartoons? They have an economy too. The ipod/iphone is more popular in Japan then any other portable device. They recognize good craftsmanship.
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#123 monson21502
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i was gonna buy a move bundle tonite but i already have the ps3 eye. if sony made the same bundle without the eye but put a sub controller in the box instead ied be a move owner right now. but i insted bought kinect sports.

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#124 mariokart64fan
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well did kenict out sell the wii mote yet ,(laughs)

until that happens which is remotely impossible , keep your braging to your self , cause as we stand wii won the holidays/2010 even with kenict out , lol ,

there isnothi ng left ms can do

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#125 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="EG101"]

The most important part of that Link was that Kinect Software outsold Move Software 13:1.

That means that developers will be more inclined to create innovative software for Kinect and probably be OK with just porting enhanced versions of Wii games for Move.

Good thing Sony will have to fully support the Move and hopefully that will bring us some creative games.

If this logic is really true, where are all the innovative Wii games? :|
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#126 93BlackHawk93
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They're both crap anyways.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Ya, Pachter is incredibly accurate. He was only off 500k with his estimate of 360's sold this Christmas! I mean, that is pretty close, no!!??

Actually in the analyst world that is pretty close...We all make fun of Pachter but we only ever concentrate on the stuff he gets wrong...What about the stuff he gets right and usually close too right...Pachter keeps getting paid, people make fun of him but he wouldn't keep getting paid for what he does if he was 100% wrong all the time.

That's BS, because people get paid all the time for **** they know nothing about.
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#128 -Renegade
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If I owned and Xbox 360 I wouldn't be bragging about Kinect outselling Move. :?
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#129 undeadgoon
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AAnndd your point is???

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#130 XboximusPrime
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Expected really given theyre marketing push.

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#131 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Ya, Pachter is incredibly accurate. He was only off 500k with his estimate of 360's sold this Christmas! I mean, that is pretty close, no!!??

ItsBriskBaby

Actually in the analyst world that is pretty close...We all make fun of Pachter but we only ever concentrate on the stuff he gets wrong...What about the stuff he gets right and usually close too right...Pachter keeps getting paid, people make fun of him but he wouldn't keep getting paid for what he does if he was 100% wrong all the time.

That's BS, because people get paid all the time for **** they know nothing about.

If Pachter, or any other analyst, was always right or even close to being right he or she would be the richest person on the planet. The stockmarket works because analysts are wrong as often as they are right.

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#132 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]Ya, Pachter is incredibly accurate. He was only off 500k with his estimate of 360's sold this Christmas! I mean, that is pretty close, no!!??ItsBriskBaby
Actually in the analyst world that is pretty close...We all make fun of Pachter but we only ever concentrate on the stuff he gets wrong...What about the stuff he gets right and usually close too right...Pachter keeps getting paid, people make fun of him but he wouldn't keep getting paid for what he does if he was 100% wrong all the time.

That's BS, because people get paid all the time for **** they know nothing about.

I wish that were true.

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#133 max-Emadness
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Kinect>Move

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#134 meatgrinderz
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If I owned and Xbox 360 I wouldn't be bragging about Kinect outselling Move. :?-Renegade

yea but if move were demolishing kinect cows would be making endless threads bragging about it

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#135 Mario1331
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Sony bit theirselves in the foot by making a carbon copy of the wiimote with so many accessories just to get started, nobody cares if the camera adds"depth" that doesnt even look different still then the wiimote in game.

The kinect was bound to outsell it, its a NA product NA is one of the biggest game consumers and so much advertising for it was also a plus

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#136 nervmeister
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lol @ the ps3

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Yeah. Sony should be ashamed for not being as devoted to their gimmick as MS is to theirs.
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#137 nervmeister
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]

And yet PS3 still outsold 360 this year. Whooop?

ToScA-

What's your source?

VGChartz :lol:

Yeah. Michael Pachter is a WAY better source than Vgchartz. :roll:
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#138 nervmeister
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Doesn't Move have support for some "hardcore" games like Killzone 3 and such? :?

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