Kinect... This isn't your grandfathers Eyetoy.

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"]

kinnect is exactly the same as the eyetoy.

and no matter how many facts or how much proof you post. i will never pay any attention to it and continue to believe what i want to believe.

Gue1

They are not exactly the same, they are almost the same. The main difference between Kinect and Eye Toy is that Kinect reads movements in 3D while Eye Toy is just 2D, that's why the Move controller is needed.

[QUOTE="Blazerdt47"]

JUST IN!!! CONFIRMED! PGR has been Kinected!

So this pretty much confirms the next PGR to be a Kinect title.

What a shame.........

waltefmoney

Really? Saying "the difference between this Kinect game and this Kinect game can be as big as the difference between Forza and PGR" is confirming the next PGR to be a Kinect title?

If they ever made a GTA game soley for connect, you could:

-taunt people, and they could react or even reply officially based off of what you said
-flip other drivers the bird while driving past them
-open doors realistically, including building doors and car doors
-moon someone in game
-order a pizza on your gamephone and have it delivered ot your secret lair
-have realtime facial expressions added to your character based of of your facial expressions
-get busted scratching your *ss and have it seen world wide during an online match

Oh the games that could be...

If they ever made a GTA game soley for connect, you could:

-taunt people, and they could react or even reply officially based off of what you said
-flip other drivers the bird while driving past them
-open doors realistically, including building doors and car doors
-moon someone in game
-order a pizza on your gamephone and have it delivered ot your secret lair
-have realtime facial expressions added to your character based of of your facial expressions
-get busted scratching your *ss and have it seen world wide during an online match

Oh the games that could be...

Phazevariance

Microsoft Eyetoy vs PlayStation Wii. The next-generation of gaming begins now.

...Jackass should release a game on Kinect. Imagine challenging yourself to slap someone on the street then run for your life.

Bear_in_Action

Could be awesome.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

If they ever made a GTA game soley for connect, you could:

-taunt people, and they could react or even reply officially based off of what you said
-flip other drivers the bird while driving past them
-open doors realistically, including building doors and car doors
-moon someone in game
-order a pizza on your gamephone and have it delivered ot your secret lair
-have realtime facial expressions added to your character based of of your facial expressions
-get busted scratching your *ss and have it seen world wide during an online match

Oh the games that could be...

Bear_in_Action

I'm just wondering, what games on Kinect do people think cant be done on other consoles?

If they ever made a GTA game soley for connect, you could:

-taunt people, and they could react or even reply officially based off of what you said
-flip other drivers the bird while driving past them
-open doors realistically, including building doors and car doors
-moon someone in game
-order a pizza on your gamephone and have it delivered ot your secret lair
-have realtime facial expressions added to your character based of of your facial expressions
-get busted scratching your *ss and have it seen world wide during an online match

Oh the games that could be...

Phazevariance

I'm just wondering, what games on Kinect do people think cant be done on other consoles?

FragTycoon

my grandfathers are died:evil:

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I'm just wondering, what games on Kinect do people think cant be done on other consoles?

Bear_in_Action

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I'm just wondering, what games on Kinect do people think cant be done on other consoles?

FragTycoon

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

Here, Fragtycoon, is a video of how Kinect works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT7hGBY5FZU

I'll say again, correct me if I'm wrong, but if EyeToy detects 2D image, meaning it doesn't realize depth, and Kinect does (it contains a 3D camera, which is essential to creating skeleton), then they are different things.

Kinect may or may not have based its idea off EyeToy, but they are not the same.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"] Dance Central? Playing a dancing game holding a controller when it can only detect your hand gesture does NOT count. And same as Yoga game. These games can be done, yes, but not freely.Bear_in_Action

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

Here, Fragtycoon, is a video of how Kinect works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT7hGBY5FZU

I'll say again, correct me if I'm wrong, but if EyeToy detects 2D image, meaning it doesn't realize depth, and Kinect does (it contains a 3D camera, which is essential to creating skeleton), then they are different things.

Kinect may or may not have based its idea off EyeToy, but they are not the same.

Bear_in_Action

wow truth be told... Totally right but some people just wanna hate on Kinect and that wont change.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"] Dance Central? Playing a dancing game holding a controller when it can only detect your hand gesture does NOT count. And same as Yoga game. These games can be done, yes, but not freely.Bear_in_Action

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

I can see you have sipped some of the juice.

What part of Dance Central do you think uses 3d tracking? Go ahead and look at the vid again and ask yourself if it's just tracking the outline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIRK34wfCAY

Off beat on every arm movement at 2:20 but the outline is right so... tadda! it counts. It doesn't have some magical skeletal detection system, sorry.

And to answer your "if eyetoy was so amazing blah blah blah",

1. They had better games to advertise
2. They wanted to push gaming forward by way of great games, not gimmicky controls

Both I appreciated very much until the recent Move push.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"] Dance Central? Playing a dancing game holding a controller when it can only detect your hand gesture does NOT count. And same as Yoga game. These games can be done, yes, but not freely.Bear_in_Action

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

I rarely see people bashing Kinect(other then the lag and inability to see darker skinned people). I almsot always see people bashing it's games. It just doesn't work well with games. Little party games to get drunk and fall over would be fun here and there. But that's about it.

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I'm just wondering, what games on Kinect do people think cant be done on other consoles?

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

connect is exactly the same as the eyetoy.

and no matter how many facts or how much proof you post. i will never pay any attention to it and continue to believe what i want to believe.

I can see you have sipped some of the juice.

What part of Dance Central do you think uses 3d tracking? Go ahead and look at the vid again and ask yourself if it's just tracking the outline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIRK34wfCAY

Off beat on every arm movement at 2:20 but the outline is right so... tadda! it counts. It doesn't have some magical skeletal detection system, sorry.

And to answer your "if eyetoy was so amazing blah blah blah",

1. They had better games to advertise
2. They wanted to push gaming forward by way of great games, not gimmicky controls

Both I appreciated very much until the recent Move push.

FraggTycoon

kinnect is exactly the same as the eyetoy.

and no matter how many facts or how much proof you post. i will never pay any attention to it and continue to believe what i want to believe.

dog_dirt

Lol, I'm not a Kinect supporter but that's god awful logic. That's like saying: "I don't believe the holocaust happened, no matter how many 'facts' you throw at me." Except on a smaller scale, of course.

[QUOTE="monson21502"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]I wonder why is M$ not willing to let people review it then :roll:... Maybe because is basically the EyeToykuraimen

[QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

Kinect is just an elaborate Eye Toy or camera. Limited it is without the ability to do shooters or more than 2p games.

kuraimen

Is this true???..It can do shooters right??

Pew pew shooters. At least on-rail shooters with the Wii or Move are functional unlike Kinect's

This is a FPS on Kinect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcxygXsGZ6o&feature=watch_response

Kevin Butler saw it coming.... :lol:

And MAG isn't a on-rail shooter.

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

xX-Incubus-Xx

I rarely see people bashing Kinect(other then the lag and inability to see darker skinned people). I almsot always see people bashing it's games. It just doesn't work well with games. Little party games to get drunk and fall over would be fun here and there. But that's about it.

I'll believe in their tech as soon as they show me something worthwile.

I love the fanboys that try to act like they hate all the motion sensing technology....yet somehow they feel like Playstation Move is good, but Kinect is bad?

Makes no sense.

Not hating on the Move, But atleast Microsoft went with something completely different rather than just making a better wii mote.

I love the fanboys that try to act like they hate all the motion sensing technology....yet somehow they feel like Playstation Move is good, but Kinect is bad?

Makes no sense.

Not hating on the Move, But atleast Microsoft went with something completely different rather than just making a better wii mote.

xsalvioutlawx

On that logic:

Move = better Wiimote

Kinect = better Eyetoy

I fail to see how it is completely new or different.

[QUOTE="xsalvioutlawx"]

I love the fanboys that try to act like they hate all the motion sensing technology....yet somehow they feel like Playstation Move is good, but Kinect is bad?

Makes no sense.

Not hating on the Move, But atleast Microsoft went with something completely different rather than just making a better wii mote.

Urworstnhtmare

On that logic:

Move = better Wiimote

Kinect = better Eyetoy

I fail to see how it is completely new or different.

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I'm just wondering, what games on Kinect do people think cant be done on other consoles?

FragTycoon

If they bothered, they wouldn't even need Move for that dance game (just like the punching blocks game). PS Eye can detect all the movements and create an outline of a person just like kinect.

People often think something new when it's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_RTaAQ9RNM

Whats worse is when people with no understanding of the underlying technology make incredibly inaccurate statements like that.

PS Eye can still compete in this casual controller free space as seen with these gifs.PS3 clearly has the best motion setup as it has casual and precision.killzowned24

What is the need for Move if PS EyeToy was already so advanced?

While I understand the technology behind Kinect, I don't know about EyeToy so much, what I said in my previous posts was my own theory based on what I heard. Would you kindly explain it to me?

And, what I noticed is that all of the gifs you provided only show people moving from side to side (2D), but not forward and backward (3D). 3D sensor may or may not be needed depending on your point of view, however, 2D and 3D are different, and the technology that goes behind upgrading 2D to 3D should count as something.

In my theory, the reason why Sony created Move was to give the EyeToy a 3D aspect, so that the EyeToy can detect depth by detecting the Move. In another word, EyeToy on its own cannot do what Kinect does.

Am I right?

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]PS Eye can still compete in this casual controller free space as seen with these gifs.PS3 clearly has the best motion setup as it has casual and precision.Bear_in_Action

What is the need for Move if PS EyeToy was already so advanced?

While I understand the technology behind Kinect, I don't know about EyeToy so much, what I said in my previous posts was my own theory based on what I heard. Would you kindly explain it to me?

And, what I noticed is that all of the gifs you provided only show people moving from side to side (2D), but not forward and backward (3D). 3D sensor may or may not be needed depending on your point of view, however, 2D and 3D are different, and the technology that goes behind upgrading 2D to 3D should count as something.

In my theory, the reason why Sony created Move was to give the EyeToy a 3D aspect, so that the EyeToy can detect depth by detecting the Move. In another word, EyeToy on its own cannot do what Kinect does.

Am I right?

eyetoy can barely do anything kinect does... all it does is detect movement, it doesnt do any mapping whatsoever. So you cant have any friends in the background, or a fan running... because the eyetoy cant tell them apart from you. Eyetoy cant do 2 player games, because it has no way to know which moving pixels belong to which player. Eyetoy cannot map your movements to an in game character or avatar like kinect, because eyetoy doesnt know your foot from your arse. Eyetoy cant function on a 3d plane, so games like bowling are impossible.

at is the need for Move if PS EyeToy was already so advanced?Bear_in_Action

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]PS Eye can still compete in this casual controller free space as seen with these gifs.PS3 clearly has the best motion setup as it has casual and precision.markinthedark

What is the need for Move if PS EyeToy was already so advanced?

While I understand the technology behind Kinect, I don't know about EyeToy so much, what I said in my previous posts was my own theory based on what I heard. Would you kindly explain it to me?

And, what I noticed is that all of the gifs you provided only show people moving from side to side (2D), but not forward and backward (3D). 3D sensor may or may not be needed depending on your point of view, however, 2D and 3D are different, and the technology that goes behind upgrading 2D to 3D should count as something.

In my theory, the reason why Sony created Move was to give the EyeToy a 3D aspect, so that the EyeToy can detect depth by detecting the Move. In another word, EyeToy on its own cannot do what Kinect does.

Am I right?

eyetoy can barely do anything kinect does... all it does is detect movement, it doesnt do any mapping whatsoever. So you cant have any friends in the background, or a fan running... because the eyetoy cant tell them apart from you. Eyetoy cant do 2 player games, because it has no way to know which moving pixels belong to which player. Eyetoy cannot map your movements to an in game character or avatar like kinect, because eyetoy doesnt know your foot from your arse. Eyetoy cant function on a 3d plane, so games like bowling are impossible.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Bear_in_Action"] Thank you for your input. Like I said before, I have never tried the PS EyeToy, so please bare with me.

What is the need for Move if PS EyeToy was already so advanced?

While I understand the technology behind Kinect, I don't know about EyeToy so much, what I said in my previous posts was my own theory based on what I heard. Would you kindly explain it to me?

And, what I noticed is that all of the gifs you provided only show people moving from side to side (2D), but not forward and backward (3D). 3D sensor may or may not be needed depending on your point of view, however, 2D and 3D are different, and the technology that goes behind upgrading 2D to 3D should count as something.

In my theory, the reason why Sony created Move was to give the EyeToy a 3D aspect, so that the EyeToy can detect depth by detecting the Move. In another word, EyeToy on its own cannot do what Kinect does.

Am I right?

kuraimen

eyetoy can barely do anything kinect does... all it does is detect movement, it doesnt do any mapping whatsoever. So you cant have any friends in the background, or a fan running... because the eyetoy cant tell them apart from you. Eyetoy cant do 2 player games, because it has no way to know which moving pixels belong to which player. Eyetoy cannot map your movements to an in game character or avatar like kinect, because eyetoy doesnt know your foot from your arse. Eyetoy cant function on a 3d plane, so games like bowling are impossible.

it wasnt mapping movements to an in game character, it was controlling the character similar to a dpad by looking for pixel changes in a certain direction. Thats why you couldnt steer and reach at the same time in the game... it had to put you on rails for the reaching sections. In kinect i can ride the pony and it maps the action to an in game character. Pseye cant do that, even with the move. It definitely has greater hand tracking because of the move wands... probably has about equal face tracking. But Pseye with 2 move controllers can track your face and hands. Kinect can track you face, shoulders, elbows, waist, knees and feet.... it certainly cant do it as accurately, but it can track many more points on the body.

With the move controller it can function in 3d much more accurately than Kinect and also difference several players probably better also.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]With the move controller it can function in 3d much more accurately than Kinect and also difference several players probably better also.Bear_in_Action

I was talking about depth accuracy. The lights make it more accurate depth-wise and reviews of both hardwares tend to reflect that.kuraimen

Absolutely incorrect. Move controller mapping is 1-1 and lag free in all 3 dimensions, Kinect is definitely not.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I was talking about depth accuracy. The lights make it more accurate depth-wise and reviews of both hardwares tend to reflect that.Dire_Weasel

Absolutely incorrect. Move controller mapping is 1-1 and lag free in all 3 dimensions, Kinect is definitely not.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I was talking about depth accuracy. The lights make it more accurate depth-wise and reviews of both hardwares tend to reflect that.Dire_Weasel

Absolutely incorrect. Move controller mapping is 1-1 and lag free in all 3 dimensions, Kinect is definitely not.

kinnect is exactly the same as the eyetoy.

and no matter how many facts or how much proof you post. i will never pay any attention to it and continue to believe what i want to believe.

dog_dirt

[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I was talking about depth accuracy. The lights make it more accurate depth-wise and reviews of both hardwares tend to reflect that.Bear_in_Action

Absolutely incorrect. Move controller mapping is 1-1 and lag free in all 3 dimensions, Kinect is definitely not.