Kinect vs Playstation Eyetoy

oh please, all it takes is sony to show off move on Secret Story (which they do... over and over again) to get people to buy it don't try to pass the European consumer off as more inteligent

and all it took were some terrible Wii commercials for Sony's dominance in Portugal to go from 80% to 50% market share between 2008 and 2010

so please explain to me how the European consumer is a smarter consumer?ohthemanatee

The reality in Portugal is this...

Playstation 3 ~80%
Wii ~18%
Xbox 360 lass than 2%

Idk where you got those numbers, but i bet they are the holiday season sales, NOT the market share.

The reason wii is selling so much this xmas is because everyone here already has a PS3.

I can go to all the major stores, including toys'r'us and take a few pictures to show you the dedicated space for the PS3 and its games is more than double of the X360 and Wii combined.

So if not buying faulty hardware as well as overpriced obsolete hardware isn't smart idk what is.

And yes the Wii commercials are terrible. 360 ones are not anywhere to be seen by the way.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Except the games are on the same system :|kuraimen

but not controller exclusive it seems

in fact i'd wager that the games you mentioned run better on a regular controller

lol "many people"

carefull now, don't get too scientific on me, I might get lost in all this technical talk

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Im not trying to defend Kinect, its horrible but to say that Eyetoy is even comparable or just as good as Kinect is laughable and a flat out lie. The tech in Kinect is superior to Eyetoy.

Fizzman

I said tech, but ill biteeven thoughyouare trying to change the subject.

There hasn't been a single good Eyetoy game, and its been how many years since its came out? Kinect has Dance Central which isn't my kind of game, but clearly its very good.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

but not controller exclusive it seems

in fact i'd wager that the games you mentioned run better on a regular controller

ohthemanatee

lol "many people"

carefull now, don't get too scientific on me, I might get lost in all this technical talk

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Except the games are on the same system :|kuraimen

but not controller exclusive it seems

in fact i'd wager that the games you mentioned run better on a regular controller

Those people would be in the extreme minority.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/111/1117588p1.html Mag with Move = Michael J Fox at a shooting range.

Heavy Rain is not awful with move, but the experience is better with the controller.

Its fairly obvious that you are just trying to compile a list of games that support Move, but aren't very good when using it. Typical system wars strategy. LIST WARS

The reality in Portugal is this...

Playstation 3 ~80%
Wii ~18%
Xbox 360 lass than 2%

Idk where you got those numbers, but i bet they are the holiday season sales, NOT the market share.Kane04

welcome to the present

The reason wii is selling so much this xmas is because everyone here already has a PS3.Kane04

lol, is that why everyone bought an Xbox and gamecube last gen? oh that's right, no one did

I can go to all the major stores, including toys'r'us and take a few pictures to show you the dedicated space for the PS3 and its games is more than double of the X360 and Wii combined.

So if not buying faulty hardware as well as overpriced obsolete hardware isn't smart idk what is.

And yes the Wii commercials are terrible. 360 ones are not anywhere to be seen by the way.

Kane04

and again, none of this changes the fact that

A) Wii has started to outsell the PS3 in Portugal because of those terrible ads

B) People are buying move because of the secret story publicity, which is actually worse then the Kinect/burguer king publicity stunt imo

so yeah, you can drop the act that the European is a smarter consumer, there is no way you can prove that and in the end all you did was prove your own imaturity

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Not for many people that think Heavy Rain and MAG plays better with the Move.kuraimen

lol "many people"

carefull now, don't get too scientific on me, I might get lost in all this technical talk

exactly, i'm speaking for myself

I'm not the one saying "many people"

welcome to the presentohthemanatee

PSEye: Kinect :: WiimotePlus: PSMove

1) People buying Wii almost sure they already have a PS3 Kane04

my link states otherwise

2) In 2007 90% of the market share was worth 50 million euros, now 58% is worth 200 millions. I'm not an economist but let me try to explain, people didn't stop buying the PS3 and its not forgotten, Kane04

this only means they are buying both because they are cheap now. And yeah, X360 only as like 2% still.Kane04

again, my link states otherwise

try reading the information you're given next time

you can drop the act that the European is a smarter consumerohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]you can drop the act that the European is a smarter consumerKane04

a guy on youtube being an idiot, and thats your proof?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]you can drop the act that the European is a smarter consumerKane04

so one person equals an entire nation? I guess after the Madelain Maccain ordeal that makes us a nation of Rapists and child abducters :roll:

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]you can drop the act that the European is a smarter consumerKane04

PSEye: Kinect :: WiimotePlus: PSMove

hexashadow13

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]

PSEye: Kinect :: WiimotePlus: PSMove

kuraimen

Guys, chill. 1st that was in canada, 2nd idk how to say this nicely (bet i'll be mod) isnt it generally accepted Americans aren't the sharpest tool compared to Europeans? Kane04

I mean before 9 11 how many could point Afghanistan on a map? How many can today? Could you even point Portugal? Don't get me wrong, i love Americans, my girlfriend is American and we'll live in the USA when we retire. Just don't like the fries add comment is totally unreasonable... Kane04

you do realize that later that europeans launched a video asking the same questions to Germans, French and British and they encounted the same type of ignorance right? I don't really care much for USA, but I also don't care about pretending i'm better then someone else just so I can feel better about myself

And the X360 still only has 2% of the market in my country.Kane04

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]

PSEye: Kinect :: WiimotePlus: PSMove

hexashadow13

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

a guy on youtube being an idiot, and thats your proof?

Kane04

so one person equals an entire nation? I guess after the Madelain Maccain ordeal that makes us a nation of Rapists and child abducters :roll:

ohthemanatee

you realize the US ranks higher than portugal in math, reading, science and IQ right?

in education US is 14th and portugal is 22nd.

Oh I see it this way, I think the Kinect is a slight improvement for gaming over the Eyetoy as much as the PSMove is a slight improvement for gaming over the WiimotePlus.kuraimen

you realize the US ranks higher than portugal in math, reading, science and IQ right?

markinthedark

not that I don't believe you...but link?

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="Fizzman"] Guys, chill. 1st that was in canada, 2nd idk how to say this nicely (bet i'll be mod) isnt it generally accepted Americans aren't the sharpest tool compared to Europeans? I mean before 9 11 how many could point Afghanistan on a map? How many can today? Could you even point Portugal? Don't get me wrong, i love Americans, my girlfriend is American and we'll live in the USA when we retire. Just don't like the fries add comment is totally unreasonable... And the X360 still only has 2% of the market in my country.ohthemanatee

you realize the US ranks higher than portugal in math, reading, science and IQ right?

not that I don't believe you...but link?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

you realize the US ranks higher than portugal in math, reading, science and IQ right?

markinthedark

not that I don't believe you...but link?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

We beat Spain? oh I'll have some trollin´fun tonight :D

you realize the US ranks higher than portugal in math, reading, science and IQ right?

in education US is 14th and portugal is 22nd.

markinthedark

This guy makes a pretty good point. Just sell your 360 now.

http://www.nextgn.com/2010/12/23/they-said-sell-your-xbox-360-get-a-playstation-3/(new window)

Also, that manatee GIF is mesmerizing. WHY CANT I LOOK AWAY!?!?!

This guy makes a pretty good point. Just sell your 360 now.

http://www.nextgn.com/2010/12/23/they-said-sell-your-xbox-360-get-a-playstation-3/(new window)

Also, that manatee GIF is mesmerizing. WHY CANT I LOOK AWAY!?!?!

gamerfan85

As you know, comparing the technology between Super Mario 2 with Super Mario Galaxy is senseless... So is Comparing Kinect with EyeToy.

Eyetoy is a basic technology that is based on computing from 2D images. Kinect is much more complex. Calculating depth, creating a 3D model of your body, and animating it in 3D space.

As you know, comparing the technology between Super Mario 2 with Super Mario Galaxy is senseless... So is Comparing Kinect with EyeToy.

Eyetoy is a basic technology that is based on computing from 2D images. Kinect is much more complex. Calculating depth, creating a 3D model of your body, and animating it in 3D space.

007ybse04

[QUOTE="007ybse04"]

As you know, comparing the technology between Super Mario 2 with Super Mario Galaxy is senseless... So is Comparing Kinect with EyeToy.

Eyetoy is a basic technology that is based on computing from 2D images. Kinect is much more complex. Calculating depth, creating a 3D model of your body, and animating it in 3D space.

Supermaester

Digimask is based on converting 2D to 3D with emulation. Not real 3D

Edit: Here's the proof

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Digimask-Headwizard-software--Creates-3d-from-2d-1354

[QUOTE="Supermaester"][QUOTE="007ybse04"]

As you know, comparing the technology between Super Mario 2 with Super Mario Galaxy is senseless... So is Comparing Kinect with EyeToy.

Eyetoy is a basic technology that is based on computing from 2D images. Kinect is much more complex. Calculating depth, creating a 3D model of your body, and animating it in 3D space.

007ybse04

Digimask is based on converting 2D to 3D with emulation. Not real 3D

Edit: Here's the proof

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Digimask-Headwizard-software--Creates-3d-from-2d-1354

For most practical uses of gesture control, that suffices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-yR5ozxw4E for example has 3d working pretty well with only a PSeye.

hexashadow13

We'r talking about EyeToy for PS2, not EyeCam for Ps3.

And PsEye is a sample of advanced type of 2D to 3D emulating tech.

start watching from 3:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cvBKgn7hd8

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]

For most practical uses of gesture control, that suffices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-yR5ozxw4E for example has 3d working pretty well with only a PSeye.

007ybse04

We'r talking about EyeToy for PS2, not EyeCam for Ps3.

And PsEye is a sample of advanced type of 2D to 3D emulating tech.

start watching from 3:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cvBKgn7hd8

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Oh I see it this way, I think the Kinect is a slight improvement for gaming over the Eyetoy as much as the PSMove is a slight improvement for gaming over the WiimotePlus.Kane04

MS didnt rip anything off, it hurts my mind when people here say that, because there is nothing else out there thats close to the kinect

okay the start talking about eyecam. eyetoy for ps2 is not up to standard with kinect (obviously) , but what about the eyecam for ps3 thenSupermaester

The PsEye is very fast webcam with advanced 2D to 3D emulation software support. This cam's software is hunting pixels and comparing a possible human form templates. Hackers can make templates and compare to create 3D sample of what cam see.

Otherwise "estimation based conversion". It's not a real 3d mapping, just a compare-based emulation. The procedure is just like voice recognition.

But Kinect is using real time 3d character models. It uses infrared projection and one standard cam for taking pics and capturing videos.

Let's watch these videos

Kinect's infrared emitter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvQJxgykcU

This crazy thing can make a 3d model of a whole room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gp3E7IwLRQ

[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Oh I see it this way, I think the Kinect is a slight improvement for gaming over the Eyetoy as much as the PSMove is a slight improvement for gaming over the WiimotePlus.gamer-adam1

MS didnt rip anything off, it hurts my mind when people here say that, because there is nothing else out there thats close to the kinect

Some people don't want to see/hear the truth on the matter.

[QUOTE="Kane04"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Oh I see it this way, I think the Kinect is a slight improvement for gaming over the Eyetoy as much as the PSMove is a slight improvement for gaming over the WiimotePlus.gamer-adam1

MS didnt rip anything off, it hurts my mind when people here say that, because there is nothing else out there thats close to the kinect