Kinect? What happened?

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Ahahaha, ok man.Like I said, if you really want to believe that I won't try and prove otherwise.

Chutebox

call up 18004myxbox and give them your serial and tell them it RROD and they will tell you if its in warranty, lol, oh thats right you sold yours, lol yeah you pretty much lost this debate, but oh well we have other days.

you dont recall correctly, you give them your serial number and they tell you if its in warranty, sorry but they do know when 360's are sold to the date, and yes you look badly right now. lol, I think its called a database. Love you chute

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Ahahaha, ok man.Like I said, if you really want to believe that I won't try and prove otherwise.

Chutebox

call up 18004myxbox and give them your serial and tell them it RROD and they will tell you if its in warranty, lol, oh thats right you sold yours, lol yeah you pretty much lost this debate, but oh well we have other days.

500 Million Dollars of advertising dollars happened

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

call up 18004myxbox and give them your serial and tell them it RROD and they will tell you if its in warranty, lol, oh thats right you sold yours, lol yeah you pretty much lost this debate, but oh well we have other days.

ProjectNatalFan

you dont recall correctly, you give them your serial number and they tell you if its in warranty, sorry but they do know when 360's are sold to the date, and yes you look badly right now. lol, I think its called a database. Love you chute

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="KaoSXFACTOR"]

So I'm wrong, and yet you're agreeing that Microsoft CAN track exact retail sales? Is that it?

KaoSXFACTOR

Oh please. It's all stored and tracked at Microsoft headquarters. I don't know what you 2 are talking about wasting money looking up figures....

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

call up 18004myxbox and give them your serial and tell them it RROD and they will tell you if its in warranty, lol, oh thats right you sold yours, lol yeah you pretty much lost this debate, but oh well we have other days.

FIipMode

The real problem here is that Dance Central is the only real worthwhile title in both platforms as of now followed by a few good or decent minigame collections, yet both have already reached the million mark, and probably will attain a few more millions this holliday season.:o

every product comes with a serial number. who would have thunk it. Plius if microsoft had a way of tracking sold through systems we would be hearing of sold through numbers instead of shipped numbers. I repeat its impossible to know sold through number. Most you will get is highly educated guesses that have plenty of margin for error. Hence the reason you don't see them using "sold through guesstimates" in financial reports because for the most part they are in accurate. They only use shipped numbers. (But i am sure the kinect is at 1 million sold through to actual consumers because they still intend to meet their 5 million shipped estimate)

What I find funniest about this thread is that people are actually proud of either the Kinect or Move (mostly proud Kinect people). They act like they worked on it and poured their blood sweat and tears into it. What do you guys have so much to be proud of that you want to brag about it, as if you achieved something by choosing one or the other. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Kinect may be selling better, but Move got more promising reviews. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and both appeal to different audiences. Enough of the rampant fanboyism.

I noe its been selling. My point is no one is really talking about it anymore. before it was the thing to have. Hercol

Oh my...where to begin?

First off, I'll go with the obvious, "This thread AGAIN?!?" Seriously people: It's not that hard to understand. Secondly, why is it so hard to compare like numbers? "Oh, so-and-so is using shipped numbers and the other guy is using sold!" Okay? So find out what the other guy's shipped numbers are and compare those. Rocket science, this is not. Even still, okay lets say Sony's using shipped numbers whereas MS, the heroes of our story, are using sold numbers straight from retailers (I still can't believe people think this). So lets say that Sony's sold (from retailers) numbers are closer to 1.5 million rather than 2.5 million. They've still surpassed Kinect's numbers. Again, this isn't a knock on Kinect. Saleswise I believe it will sell more than the Move although I personally consider it the inferior product.

Let me present a similar word problem to clarify what people are arguing about here:
I work at a convenience store (dreadful, I know). Each shift, we have to count cigarettes. Again, this is on the retailer side of things. Being a convenience store where people rush in while getting gas everyday and grab snacks, sodas, and like items, cigarettes make up roughly 30% of our daily sales intake. We count them for 2 reasons: 1) To make sure that we aren't missing any or that any haven't been stolen and 2) So we know how much and what type to order from our supplier. We place an order with our supplier, they write up an invoice, that invoice gets paid. What happens beyond that is in our hands. If we order 200 cartons of cigarettes and then decide to have a bonfire in the back and use Marlboros and Newports as fuel our supplier isn't going to have a heart attack. They've BEEN paid. What happens to the product at that point is what's known as "inconsequential."

So again, this is the simplest and most effective business model and, surprise! It's the one that EVERY BUSINESS EVER USES.

TL; DR version: Whether you think MS's numbers are shipped, sold, or a random guess from a 6-year-old, 2.5 million is GREATER than 1 million. Just sayin'.

EDIT: I just thought of the perfect analogy for this:
Using sold through numbers is like using VG Chartz.

Maybe I'm being stupid, or maybe they just round up numbers.

But how is it that "sales" always end in a perfect thousand units? If they really reported sales, I'm pretty sure they would report a more accurate number.

Maybe I'm being stupid, or maybe they just round up numbers.

But how is it that "sales" always end in a perfect thousand units? If they really reported sales, I'm pretty sure they would report a more accurate number.

verbtex

Don't go using logic now. Using logic in System Wars is like using a logical fallacy on a robot: It'll explode. :P

[QUOTE="verbtex"]

Maybe I'm being stupid, or maybe they just round up numbers.

But how is it that "sales" always end in a perfect thousand units? If they really reported sales, I'm pretty sure they would report a more accurate number.

Ryan_Som

Don't go using logic now. Using logic in System Wars is like using a logical fallacy on a robot: It'll explode. :P

Sorry. I just found it funny the way the thread died at that post.

I mean it came out, and all the hype died. I played both the kinect and the move. When playing with friends the kinect was more enjoyable. But it felt really weird; I'm a fan of the buttons. I believe that buttons are essential in video games. In the "combat' and "action" games, move really excelled. The games that involved guns, swords, and bows were precise and accurate. I can't wait to play that magic game (lol) that was showed off at E3.

However, i think that both died and fast. They had their hype and then after their release date, no more.

What do you guys think?

Hercol

whats the kinect? is it a game or something? i forgot already

I noe its been selling. My point is no one is really talking about it anymore. before it was the thing to have. Hercol

I mean it came out, and all the hype died. I played both the kinect and the move. When playing with friends the kinect was more enjoyable. But it felt really weird; I'm a fan of the buttons. I believe that buttons are essential in video games. In the "combat' and "action" games, move really excelled. The games that involved guns, swords, and bows were precise and accurate. I can't wait to play that magic game (lol) that was showed off at E3.

However, i think that both died and fast. They had their hype and then after their release date, no more.

What do you guys think?

Hercol

It is sold out everywhere and is now only to be found in the black market

There was never hype for Kinect, only threads about how bad will be and that it would not work, that is, until it released and people have a blast with it

Now fanboys stopped making these threads, that is why you dont see much about it

[QUOTE="Hercol"]

I mean it came out, and all the hype died. I played both the kinect and the move. When playing with friends the kinect was more enjoyable. But it felt really weird; I'm a fan of the buttons. I believe that buttons are essential in video games. In the "combat' and "action" games, move really excelled. The games that involved guns, swords, and bows were precise and accurate. I can't wait to play that magic game (lol) that was showed off at E3.

However, i think that both died and fast. They had their hype and then after their release date, no more.

What do you guys think?

AbleFa3

It is sold out everywhere and is now only to be found in the black market

There was never hype for Kinect, only threads about how bad will be and that it would not work, that is, until it released and people have a blast with it

Now fanboys stopped making these threads, that is why you dont see much about it

[QUOTE="AbleFa3"]

[QUOTE="Hercol"]

I mean it came out, and all the hype died. I played both the kinect and the move. When playing with friends the kinect was more enjoyable. But it felt really weird; I'm a fan of the buttons. I believe that buttons are essential in video games. In the "combat' and "action" games, move really excelled. The games that involved guns, swords, and bows were precise and accurate. I can't wait to play that magic game (lol) that was showed off at E3.

However, i think that both died and fast. They had their hype and then after their release date, no more.

What do you guys think?

sireclaborn

It is sold out everywhere and is now only to be found in the black market

There was never hype for Kinect, only threads about how bad will be and that it would not work, that is, until it released and people have a blast with it

Now fanboys stopped making these threads, that is why you dont see much about it

Move is in stock and was never sold out, see below link

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_h?pf_rd_p=264215801&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_t=2101&pf_rd_i=home&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0EJZ9CS9AGNEZ2XHHZJH#2

Amazon is a great indication, they are ut of standalone Kinect and all bundles almost sunce launch, meaning the demand is through the roof and then some

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"][QUOTE="AbleFa3"]

It is sold out everywhere and is now only to be found in the black market

There was never hype for Kinect, only threads about how bad will be and that it would not work, that is, until it released and people have a blast with it

Now fanboys stopped making these threads, that is why you dont see much about it

AbleFa3

Move is in stock and was never sold out, see below link

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_h?pf_rd_p=264215801&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_t=2101&pf_rd_i=home&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0EJZ9CS9AGNEZ2XHHZJH#2

Amazon is a great indication, they are ut of standalone Kinect and all bundles almost sunce launch, meaning the demand is through the roof and then some

[QUOTE="AbleFa3"]

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"] sorry but kinect is not sold out everywhere....if it is i would like a link proving this.... a recent link......im not taking about amazon .com or best buy because online retailers are known to be sold out..even the move is sold out on amazon..sireclaborn

Move is in stock and was never sold out, see below link

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_h?pf_rd_p=264215801&pf_rd_s=center-6&pf_rd_t=2101&pf_rd_i=home&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0EJZ9CS9AGNEZ2XHHZJH#2

Amazon is a great indication, they are ut of standalone Kinect and all bundles almost sunce launch, meaning the demand is through the roof and then some

PlayStation Move Starter Bundleby Sony Computer Entertainment Platform: PlayStation 3
In Stock

In stock means is not sold out

How are you tracking it, when it clearly says in stock ? You are not tracking it properly as it seems

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Where have you been? The Kinect is selling like crazy. JuarN18

What I find funniest about this thread is that people are actually proud of either the Kinect or Move (mostly proud Kinect people). They act like they worked on it and poured their blood sweat and tears into it. What do you guys have so much to be proud of that you want to brag about it, as if you achieved something by choosing one or the other. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Kinect may be selling better, but Move got more promising reviews. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and both appeal to different audiences. Enough of the rampant fanboyism.

MichaelToreno

[QUOTE="Hercol"]I noe its been selling. My point is no one is really talking about it anymore. before it was the thing to have. tomarlyn

[QUOTE="AbleFa3"]

[QUOTE="Hercol"]

I mean it came out, and all the hype died. I played both the kinect and the move. When playing with friends the kinect was more enjoyable. But it felt really weird; I'm a fan of the buttons. I believe that buttons are essential in video games. In the "combat' and "action" games, move really excelled. The games that involved guns, swords, and bows were precise and accurate. I can't wait to play that magic game (lol) that was showed off at E3.

However, i think that both died and fast. They had their hype and then after their release date, no more.

What do you guys think?

sireclaborn

It is sold out everywhere and is now only to be found in the black market

There was never hype for Kinect, only threads about how bad will be and that it would not work, that is, until it released and people have a blast with it

Now fanboys stopped making these threads, that is why you dont see much about it

ok its not selling yet its sold out all over online, and http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Kinect-Project-Natal-Xbox-360-msft,news-8876.html says to get Kinects while supplies last. If you havent heart, MS forcasts 5 million sold by the end of December so they are actually supplying that amount, they didnt ship 5 milllion day 1. . oh yeah i love being right

I guess it didn't really KINECT with people.siLVURcross

yeah to the tune of 5 million in 2 months?? really?

Kinect is the best selling item on the planet right now and is sold out everywhere

Also everyone that managed to get one has a blast playing it

That is what happened

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]I guess it didn't really KINECT with people.ProjectNatalFan

yeah to the tune of 5 million in 2 months?? really?

I mean it came out, and all the hype died. I played both the kinect and the move. When playing with friends the kinect was more enjoyable. But it felt really weird; I'm a fan of the buttons. I believe that buttons are essential in video games. In the "combat' and "action" games, move really excelled. The games that involved guns, swords, and bows were precise and accurate. I can't wait to play that magic game (lol) that was showed off at E3.

However, i think that both died and fast. They had their hype and then after their release date, no more.

What do you guys think?

Hercol

Of course it's not hyped here. The games are some 2nd rate Wii copies and the imput lag is huge. I honestly don't see why any core gamer would want it.

Of course it's not hyped here. The games are some 2nd rate Wii copies and the imput lag is huge. I honestly don't see why any core gamer would want it.

nameless12345

Actually the lag is non existent and some of the games are actually amazing, like Sports, Dance Centrak, Fitness and Kinect is thenext gen of gaming

Everyone i know that has it, has a blast playing and is working far better than any other, Wii or Move

All these Kinect games are also not possible on Wii or Move, since they are last gen comparing to real 3D bodymapping of Kinect

[QUOTE="Hercol"]I noe its been selling. My point is no one is really talking about it anymore. before it was the thing to have. Leo-Magic

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Hercol"]I noe its been selling. My point is no one is really talking about it anymore. before it was the thing to have. Hercol

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Of course it's not hyped here. The games are some 2nd rate Wii copies and the imput lag is huge. I honestly don't see why any core gamer would want it.

Actually the lag is non existent and some of the games are actually amazing, like Sports, Dance Centrak, Fitness and Kinect is thenext gen of gaming

Everyone i know that has it, has a blast playing and is working far better than any other, Wii or Move

All these Kinect games are also not possible on Wii or Move, since they are last gen comparing to real 3D bodymapping of Kinect

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]it sold well, not like lems were hyping though i beleive move still sold morests106mat

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]it sold well, not like lems were hyping though i beleive move still sold morests106mat

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] only a couple of lems were really hyping it and have been proved right. its sold incredibly well and is continuing to do so. your belief that move sold more is fine, though i doubt its correct. its too similar to the wii, if you already have a wii, theres not too much point in buying move. kinect has the advantage of being slightly more innovative. (just like the wii was when it came along. the evidence is on my facebook friends list. i have seen loads of people who dont normally play games & are completely clueless as to "system wars" and "console sales figures" etc etc talking about having tried kinect and how its great etc. i dont see anyone championing the move. i am considering getting kinect in the new year.sts106mat

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] you can laugh if you want, its a fact that non-gamers on my facebook friends list are going on about kinect for their kiddies at christmas etc. thats proof to me that people are talking about kinect. i have not seen anything about move anywhere! kinect has been out for 1 week, are you seriously saying that move SOLD to consumers 2.5million units in a week? sts106mat

they wont ever get that, its ok though, let it run its course, but you of course are totally right.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] you can laugh if you want, its a fact that non-gamers on my facebook friends list are going on about kinect for their kiddies at christmas etc. thats proof to me that people are talking about kinect. i have not seen anything about move anywhere! kinect has been out for 1 week, are you seriously saying that move SOLD to consumers 2.5million units in a week? sts106mat