King of Racing sims - GT vs Forza

I love racing sims and would like to know what You guys think is the better sim,from attention to detail and the like.

I have always liked GT,until i got an xbox and Forza 1, but the new GT looks good i do however doubt it will have as much detail as Forza 2.

GT is at least a year off of release. How could anyone possibly know how it stacks up to an already released game?

Anyone claiming they do know is a liar. ^^^

I haven't really heard a compelling argument to believe GT is superior to Forza.musicalmac

Yeah i never thought so, as soon as Forza was released i stopped playing GT and havent since everything about it seems more arcade like that Forza

GT is at least a year off of release. How could anyone possibly know how it stacks up to an already released game?

Anyone claiming they do know is a liar. ^^^

The_Crucible

I would say that Forza 2 is better. It's out now so you already know how good it is.. GT we can only hope it's as good if not better that Forza. player_leo

I know but im not going to bother buying it if it continues to be like previous GT games

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GT is at least a year off of release. How could anyone possibly know how it stacks up to an already released game?

Anyone claiming they do know is a liar. ^^^

musicalmac

GT5. That's it. That's my point. Anyone claiming ANYTHING about GT5 is false. We haven't a clue of how it will be. Most, if not all, opinions formed on GT5 are based on GT: Prologue's images.

Yet fanboy after fanboy in here claiming they know. Hmmmm.

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GT is at least a year off of release. How could anyone possibly know how it stacks up to an already released game?

Anyone claiming they do know is a liar. ^^^

The_Crucible

GT5. That's it. That's my point. Anyone claiming ANYTHING about GT5 is false. We haven't a clue of how it will be. Most, if not all, opinions formed on GT5 are based on GT: Prologue's images.

Yet fanboy after fanboy in here claiming they know. Hmmmm.

It would seem that the only Fanboy here is you

I am comparing the both of the games Previous and current titles i only mentioned GT5 in passing and if it continues the trend of previous titles i doubt it will be as good as Forza

Forza 3 should be out in Q2 2009 anyway, which will be a couple months after GT5 reaches America. You might as well wait for both and compare then.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Forza 3 should be out in Q2 2009 anyway, which will be a couple months after GT5 reaches America. You might as well wait for both and compare then.SecretPolice

But if it cant compare to Forza2 (besides graphics) what hope is there?

Forza 2 was my first Farza and I prefer it now over GT since I don't like driving in a stock looking car. Now if Forza have cockpit view, it'd be perfect.

GT has a more realistic driving feel. while forza has a more pick up and play attitude to it.

there both fun just in diffrent ways and are both aimed at diffrent people GT is aimed at a older, mature gamer

Models are better in GT, lighting and effects in Forza.

Tracks hard to say, Suzuka in GT looks obviously worse then Forza, London is the best looking town in racing games.

Gameplay - here GT lost in each direction, the weakest part of each Gran Turismo game.

GT has a more realistic driving feel. while forza has a more pick up and play attitude to it.

there both fun just in diffrent ways and are both aimed at diffrent people GT is aimed at a older, mature gamer

niall077

Are you here? Physics in GT is so lame, that even PGR 4 beat it. LOL

Forza 3 should be out in Q2 2009 anyway, which will be a couple months after GT5 reaches America. You might as well wait for both and compare then.lowe0

no thanks.. lemmings compared forza2 to gt4 so it seems fair to compare gt5 to forza 2

GT5. That's it. That's my point. Anyone claiming ANYTHING about GT5 is false. We haven't a clue of how it will be. Most, if not all, opinions formed on GT5 are based on GT: Prologue's images.

Yet fanboy after fanboy in here claiming they know. Hmmmm.

The_Crucible

Right, and nobody is really saying that. The Forza SERIES vs. the GT SERIES are at stake. This would mean GT5 is still a wildcard.

So, moving on:

Forza is pretty much the winner under the "simulation" category. The physics engine is considerably more refined and versatile, and allows quite a bit of extra customization, with a rather good damage enginer built on top of it, even if it's simulation scope is limited to the normal wear and tear of normal racing, and quickly diverges from reality under more, erm, extreme parameters.

Aside from this, so far Forza's AI has proven superior (bizarre starting grid quirks aside) to GT's.

Of course, this is not to say that GT sucks or any nonsense like that. It's a good series, and was the forefather of modern sim racing on consoles, even if the gravity is quite wonky in early american versions. It's just not Forza-good. This has a lot to do with the PS2, which was undeniably worse than the Xbox (and 360) when it came to processor might. GT5 should be able to give Forza a really good competition with the PS3's computing power.

Aside from this, so far Forza's AI has proven superior (bizarre starting grid quirks aside) to GT's.Grive

In most of racing games AI is superior over GT. Here it's really bad. When you pass two Esprit V8 on M3 three turns after start - it really says something.

Forza because it won by default. It came out in May 2006 with 0 competition.

GT will come out by holiday of 2008. Doesn't matter how good it is, Forza 2 is better because we didn't have to wait FOREVER to play it.

- and it is a 9.2, and won best racing game of 07, and it was a GOTY contender.

GTR2 is superior to both Forza and Gran Turismo. This is a fact. TkLive

No. Same physics as Forza 2, 25 cars, graphics from 2004.

And I don't like all this heavily modified FIA GT cars, GTL had more appearance for me

In most of racing games AI is superior over GT. Here it's really bad. When you pass two Esprit V8 on M3 three turns after start - it really says something.

goddamn_

It really says you need to turn up the difficulty :P

It really says you need to turn up the difficulty :PGrive

There is no any AI difficulty settings in GT, it's one. All that you can change just cars, you will drive M3 against Zondas

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]I haven't really heard a compelling argument to believe GT is superior to Forza.ukillwegrill

Yeah i never thought so, as soon as Forza was released i stopped playing GT and havent since everything about it seems more arcade like that Forza

Well, I hope you'd skip to the next generation game... That's like saying you stopped playing Halo 2 when Halo 3 came out.

Who knows what GT5 will be like... I think it's kind of dumb that not all cars have damage. I think they should just tell the car manufacturers that they will eliminate their cars from the game unless they allow damage... that will make those guys change their minds about damage... maybe. :P

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]I haven't really heard a compelling argument to believe GT is superior to Forza.dewmandew7

Yeah i never thought so, as soon as Forza was released i stopped playing GT and havent since everything about it seems more arcade like that Forza

Well, I hope you'd skip to the next generation game... That's like saying you stopped playing Halo 2 when Halo 3 came out.

Who knows what GT5 will be like... I think it's kind of dumb that not all cars have damage. I think they should just tell the car manufacturers that they will eliminate their cars from the game unless they allow damage... that will make those guys change their minds about damage... maybe. :P

No its nothing like that as the two different games what im saying is more like - i stopped playing metal gear solid when splinter cell was released (i didnt and wouldnt)

Well, I hope you'd skip to the next generation game... That's like saying you stopped playing Halo 2 when Halo 3 came out.

Who knows what GT5 will be like... I think it's kind of dumb that not all cars have damage. I think they should just tell the car manufacturers that they will eliminate their cars from the game unless they allow damage... that will make those guys change their minds about damage... maybe. :P

dewmandew7

Are you implying the Xbox was a generation ahead of the PS2?

Forza took racing sims to a whole new level and set higher standards. While GT focused on having more cars and making these cars look true to life, Forza focused making the racing as real as possible. Forza is the King of Racing Sims and it made GT look like just another RACING game.

I bought Forza and i dont see what the hype is all about, yeah it has more depth, and the realism is higher in regards to previously released GT games, however, it only seams to have 1/5th of the tracks of your ussual GT game, Until actual GT5 is out i dont there can be any fair comparisons.

Forza isnt by any means a bad game, infact its one of the best Racing Sims i have played, its just i prefer GT's Track selection and core gameplay.

If by choosing GT over Forza im sacrificing a little realism, and pseudo dammage modeling so be it, im getting probably 4 times as many tracks, twice as many cars and better graphics in GT5.

GT needs to include a similar decal system though, dammage i dont reall care for untill it can be done acurately, and by acurately i mean your radiator blows for no aparent reason during a 4 hour endurance race, and it loses you the race, because you have to pit in for repair and lose valuable time, or you get a blow out at 120mph and hit the barrier and the race is over.

GT is at least a year off of release. How could anyone possibly know how it stacks up to an already released game?

Anyone claiming they do know is a liar. ^^^

The_Crucible

GT 5s release is March 18th.
Gran Turismo 5: ProloguePlatform: PS3Publisher: Sony Computer EntertainmentESRB: Rating PendingPre-Release
Ships 3/18/08$39.99

Forza is a great game but I much rather prefer Gran Turismo. The track selection in Forza is garbage, and the controls feel a bit stiff to me. Gran Turismo has a much larger car variety and the car physics are on point. It might just come down to preference but I think Gran Turismo is superior. I'm a car buff so having a larger selection of tracks and cars is more my type.I_Helios_I

:lol: on point? Ya for an arcade game :lol: ....You've never played a real PC racing sim before have you?

[QUOTE="I_Helios_I"]Forza is a great game but I much rather prefer Gran Turismo. The track selection in Forza is garbage, and the controls feel a bit stiff to me. Gran Turismo has a much larger car variety and the car physics are on point. It might just come down to preference but I think Gran Turismo is superior. I'm a car buff so having a larger selection of tracks and cars is more my type.zipozal

:lol: on point? Ya for an arcade game :lol: ....You've never played a real PC racing sim before have you?

Yea I'd much rather work on them in real life then play every racing sim on the planet like you do lmao. Look man I don't doubt PC racing sims are far superior to the console offerings but this was comparing Forza and GT and I prefer GT. I work on vehicles in real life and I like GT better so nuff said.

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GT is at least a year off of release. How could anyone possibly know how it stacks up to an already released game?

Anyone claiming they do know is a liar. ^^^

patriotsr1

GT 5s release is March 18th.
Gran Turismo 5: Prologue

Thats GT5 Prologue mate, which is a stripped down year early demo like cut price release, allmost a taster of GT5, its not the same as GT5

:lol: on point? Ya for an arcade game :lol: ....You've never played a real PC racing sim before have you?

zipozal

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[QUOTE="I_Helios_I"]Forza is a great game but I much rather prefer Gran Turismo. The track selection in Forza is garbage, and the controls feel a bit stiff to me. Gran Turismo has a much larger car variety and the car physics are on point. It might just come down to preference but I think Gran Turismo is superior. I'm a car buff so having a larger selection of tracks and cars is more my type.I_Helios_I

:lol: on point? Ya for an arcade game :lol: ....You've never played a real PC racing sim before have you?

Yea I'd much rather work on them in real life then play every racing sim on the planet like you do lmao. Look man I don't doubt PC racing sims are far superior to the console offerings but this was comparing Forza and GT and I prefer GT. I work on vehicles in real life and I like GT better so nuff said.

I just ignored his post lol, there allways has to be one PC crazy going on about GTR in GT vs Forza vs PGR threads.

In all fairness though, he has a point GTR is actually pretty awesome.