Kojima: 50 gig Blu Ray was too small....source: IGN

It seems that the tech companies will never be able to keep up with the demands of a Metal Gear Solid game, with Hideo Kojima stating in a Famitsu interview that Guns of the Patriots suffered cuts in order to fit onto to a Blu-ray disc.

At 50GB, the Blu-ray offers nearly six times the storage capacity of a DVD – but it's still not enough for the demands of Metal Gear Solid 4. Earlier last week the game's assistant producer Ryan Payton confessed that the American and European versions would not carry the Japanese voice track due to storage limitations. Hideo Kojima further elaborated on the issue and stated in a Famitsu interview, kindly translated by Kotaku, that, "There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress."

It's already known that Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be dialogue-heavy – to an extent that could well outstrip its quite comically verbose predecessors. But the possibility of the amount of chattering outstripping even a Blu-ray disc is quite terrifying. Brace yourself for an earful come June 12.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/856/856239p1.html

Dear God. Finally some confirmation on this, from Kojima himself. Things were actually CUT OUT of Metal Gear Solid 4...most recently it was confirmed via a Kojima-camp podcast that the different regions of audio would NOT be included on the same disc in each region (a la Uncharted), often considered a common culprit for stealing a lot of unnecessary disc space on the Blu Ray games for PS3.

But Kojima just confirmed to us that things were "cut" and probably some serious, standard regulation compression took place along the content lines....most notably, the entire Metal Gear Online will come on a different disc altogether.

Moreover, Metal Gear Solid 4's cutscenes are enacted ENTIRELY in real time on the game engine as Kojima confirmed as early as E3 07 during a demonstration. A common criticism of the "filling of the disc" on MGS4's end was that it was full of space-filling pre-rendered cinematics....not so.

However, IGN pokes a jab at the single worthy space-filling aspect that is most assuredly included in all its uncompressed and hours-long glory, the audio.

So, online mode on a seperate disc, confirmed dual-layer Blu Ray, confirmed content cuts, confirmed compression, and NO region-free dialogue.

At the very least....can we all agree that this game is absolutely going to blow PS3 owner's lids when it releases this June?

It seems that the tech companies will never be able to keep up with the demands of a Metal Gear Solid game, with Hideo Kojima stating in a Famitsu interview that Guns of the Patriots suffered cuts in order to fit onto to a Blu-ray disc.

At 50GB, the Blu-ray offers nearly six times the storage capacity of a DVD – but it's still not enough for the demands of Metal Gear Solid 4. Earlier last week the game's assistant producer Ryan Payton confessed that the American and European versions would not carry the Japanese voice track due to storage limitations. Hideo Kojima further elaborated on the issue and stated in a Famitsu interview, kindly translated by Kotaku, that, "There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress."

It's already known that Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be dialogue-heavy – to an extent that could well outstrip its quite comically verbose predecessors. But the possibility of the amount of chattering outstripping even a Blu-ray disc is quite terrifying. Brace yourself for an earful come June 12.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/856/856239p1.html

Dear God. Finally some confirmation on this, from Kojima himself. Things were actually CUT OUT of Metal Gear Solid 4...most recently it was confirmed via a Kojima-camp podcast that the different regions of audio would NOT be included on the same disc in each region (a la Uncharted), often considered a common culprit for stealing a lot of unnecessary disc space on the Blu Ray games for PS3.

But Kojima just confirmed to us that things were "cut" and probably some serious, standard regulation compression took place along the content lines....most notably, the entire Metal Gear Online will come on a different disc altogether.

Moreover, Metal Gear Solid 4's cutscenes are enacted ENTIRELY in real time on the game engine as Kojima confirmed as early as E3 07 during a demonstration. A common criticism of the "filling of the disc" on MGS4's end was that it was full of space-filling pre-rendered cinematics....not so.

However, IGN pokes a jab at the single worthy space-filling aspect that is most assuredly included in all its uncompressed and hours-long glory, the audio.

So, online mode on a seperate disc, confirmed dual-layer Blu Ray, confirmed content cuts, confirmed compression, and NO region-free dialogue.

At the very least....can we all agree that this game is absolutely going to blow PS3 owner's lids when it releases this June?

BobHipJames

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

49 gigs for cutscenes? You mean the real-time cut-scenes that are not pre-rendered?

Would you quit it with this tired, trite crap?

I disproved your comment in the OP, thanks.

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

GundamGuy0

Put one game in to play the game, put another to go online, theres no disc switching...

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

It seems that the tech companies will never be able to keep up with the demands of a Metal Gear Solid game, with Hideo Kojima stating in a Famitsu interview that Guns of the Patriots suffered cuts in order to fit onto to a Blu-ray disc.

At 50GB, the Blu-ray offers nearly six times the storage capacity of a DVD – but it's still not enough for the demands of Metal Gear Solid 4. Earlier last week the game's assistant producer Ryan Payton confessed that the American and European versions would not carry the Japanese voice track due to storage limitations. Hideo Kojima further elaborated on the issue and stated in a Famitsu interview, kindly translated by Kotaku, that, "There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress."

It's already known that Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be dialogue-heavy – to an extent that could well outstrip its quite comically verbose predecessors. But the possibility of the amount of chattering outstripping even a Blu-ray disc is quite terrifying. Brace yourself for an earful come June 12.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/856/856239p1.html

Dear God. Finally some confirmation on this, from Kojima himself. Things were actually CUT OUT of Metal Gear Solid 4...most recently it was confirmed via a Kojima-camp podcast that the different regions of audio would NOT be included on the same disc in each region (a la Uncharted), often considered a common culprit for stealing a lot of unnecessary disc space on the Blu Ray games for PS3.

But Kojima just confirmed to us that things were "cut" and probably some serious, standard regulation compression took place along the content lines....most notably, the entire Metal Gear Online will come on a different disc altogether.

Moreover, Metal Gear Solid 4's cutscenes are enacted ENTIRELY in real time on the game engine as Kojima confirmed as early as E3 07 during a demonstration. A common criticism of the "filling of the disc" on MGS4's end was that it was full of space-filling pre-rendered cinematics....not so.

However, IGN pokes a jab at the single worthy space-filling aspect that is most assuredly included in all its uncompressed and hours-long glory, the audio.

So, online mode on a seperate disc, confirmed dual-layer Blu Ray, confirmed content cuts, confirmed compression, and NO region-free dialogue.

At the very least....can we all agree that this game is absolutely going to blow PS3 owner's lids when it releases this June?

Banjo-Kazooie_3

In game Engine, sheesh. Did you even read it? It's the Audio that filled most of it up.

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

GundamGuy0

I don't think it is. A 50 gigabyte game, on one hand, and an online portion worthy of a seperate Blu Ray disc on the other.

If anything, don't be ridiculous, this could easily solidify the idea that Blu Ray is worth every gig they've stretched into the damn thing.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

BobHipJames

I don't think it is. A 50 gigabyte game, on one hand, and an online portion worthy of a seperate Blu Ray disc on the other.

If anything, don't be ridiculous, this could easily solidify the idea that Blu Ray is worth every gig they've stretched into the damn thing.

Seperate DVD, not Blu-ray

Well at least we'll know it's going to be huge, and this should go on the PS3 forum am I wrong?

I hope it doesn't majorly affect MGS4

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

f50p90

Put one game in to play the game, put another to go online, theres no disc switching...

I don't see a diffrence. You have to change the disk to play portions of what comes in the box.

[QUOTE="Banjo-Kazooie_3"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

It seems that the tech companies will never be able to keep up with the demands of a Metal Gear Solid game, with Hideo Kojima stating in a Famitsu interview that Guns of the Patriots suffered cuts in order to fit onto to a Blu-ray disc.

At 50GB, the Blu-ray offers nearly six times the storage capacity of a DVD – but it's still not enough for the demands of Metal Gear Solid 4. Earlier last week the game's assistant producer Ryan Payton confessed that the American and European versions would not carry the Japanese voice track due to storage limitations. Hideo Kojima further elaborated on the issue and stated in a Famitsu interview, kindly translated by Kotaku, that, "There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress."

It's already known that Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be dialogue-heavy – to an extent that could well outstrip its quite comically verbose predecessors. But the possibility of the amount of chattering outstripping even a Blu-ray disc is quite terrifying. Brace yourself for an earful come June 12.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/856/856239p1.html

Dear God. Finally some confirmation on this, from Kojima himself. Things were actually CUT OUT of Metal Gear Solid 4...most recently it was confirmed via a Kojima-camp podcast that the different regions of audio would NOT be included on the same disc in each region (a la Uncharted), often considered a common culprit for stealing a lot of unnecessary disc space on the Blu Ray games for PS3.

But Kojima just confirmed to us that things were "cut" and probably some serious, standard regulation compression took place along the content lines....most notably, the entire Metal Gear Online will come on a different disc altogether.

Moreover, Metal Gear Solid 4's cutscenes are enacted ENTIRELY in real time on the game engine as Kojima confirmed as early as E3 07 during a demonstration. A common criticism of the "filling of the disc" on MGS4's end was that it was full of space-filling pre-rendered cinematics....not so.

However, IGN pokes a jab at the single worthy space-filling aspect that is most assuredly included in all its uncompressed and hours-long glory, the audio.

So, online mode on a seperate disc, confirmed dual-layer Blu Ray, confirmed content cuts, confirmed compression, and NO region-free dialogue.

At the very least....can we all agree that this game is absolutely going to blow PS3 owner's lids when it releases this June?

thrones

In game Engine, sheesh. Did you even read it? It's the Audio that filled most of it up.

anyone who has REAL computer knowledge should find this comical

you would have to really go out your way to fill up 50gigs for a single game

It seems that the tech companies will never be able to keep up with the demands of a Metal Gear Solid game, with Hideo Kojima stating in a Famitsu interview that Guns of the Patriots suffered cuts in order to fit onto to a Blu-ray disc.

At 50GB, the Blu-ray offers nearly six times the storage capacity of a DVD – but it's still not enough for the demands of Metal Gear Solid 4. Earlier last week the game's assistant producer Ryan Payton confessed that the American and European versions would not carry the Japanese voice track due to storage limitations. Hideo Kojima further elaborated on the issue and stated in a Famitsu interview, kindly translated by Kotaku, that, "There's not enough space. We always talked about where to cut and what to compress."

It's already known that Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be dialogue-heavy – to an extent that could well outstrip its quite comically verbose predecessors. But the possibility of the amount of chattering outstripping even a Blu-ray disc is quite terrifying. Brace yourself for an earful come June 12.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/856/856239p1.html

Dear God. Finally some confirmation on this, from Kojima himself. Things were actually CUT OUT of Metal Gear Solid 4...most recently it was confirmed via a Kojima-camp podcast that the different regions of audio would NOT be included on the same disc in each region (a la Uncharted), often considered a common culprit for stealing a lot of unnecessary disc space on the Blu Ray games for PS3.

But Kojima just confirmed to us that things were "cut" and probably some serious, standard regulation compression took place along the content lines....most notably, the entire Metal Gear Online will come on a different disc altogether.

Moreover, Metal Gear Solid 4's cutscenes are enacted ENTIRELY in real time on the game engine as Kojima confirmed as early as E3 07 during a demonstration. A common criticism of the "filling of the disc" on MGS4's end was that it was full of space-filling pre-rendered cinematics....not so.

However, IGN pokes a jab at the single worthy space-filling aspect that is most assuredly included in all its uncompressed and hours-long glory, the audio.

So, online mode on a seperate disc, confirmed dual-layer Blu Ray, confirmed content cuts, confirmed compression, and NO region-free dialogue.

At the very least....can we all agree that this game is absolutely going to blow PS3 owner's lids when it releases this June?

BobHipJames

I don't own a PS3, so I know I will sound like a hater, but with all the hype and work and money that is in this project, this game better blow everything out of the water, at least for me, average over 95%, if not then whats the point of all this Cell and Blu-ray talk if games will still average 80's and low 90's, for that save all the time and money and give us the old 80's and low 90's games like we always got.

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

GundamGuy0

Put one game in to play the game, put another to go online, theres no disc switching...

I don't see a diffrence. You have to change the disk to play portions of what comes in the box.

You don't have to switch discs to continue the game. MGonline is a different game anyway, all that comes with MGS4 is the starter pack.

This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.blackace

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

Talk about cramming the disk full of uncompressed audio and video! Vandalvideo

It said the video, at least, was compressed. Also..

I don't see a diffrence. You have to change the disk to play portions of what comes in the box.

GundamGuy0

Disc Changing ain't a great deal, really. Lost Odyssey wasn't worse for disc changing, neither was the original Metal Gear Solid. Both Sony Fans and Microsoft fans overstate the problems here.

It said the video, at least, was compressed. Also.. thrones

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

BobHipJames

I don't think it is. A 50 gigabyte game, on one hand, and an online portion worthy of a seperate Blu Ray disc on the other.

If anything, don't be ridiculous, this could easily solidify the idea that Blu Ray is worth every gig they've stretched into the damn thing.

What's ridculous is that Kojima is using 7.1 uncompressed audio for everything. I could understand why I should be hyped if that was 50 gigs of gameplay or if that 50 gigs of audio was because there was 5 times the dialog from the PS2 MGS games... but it's not... don't kid yourself. I care more about the story and game then the quality of the audio, if it were PS2 quality I would be just as happy.

[QUOTE="blackace"]This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.p2rus

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

He was rediculous. Luckily I in my 2nd playthrough I learned you could skip his fight alltogether

How many cut scenes does one game need?cosmostein77

They have a lot of explaining to do...

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

f50p90

Put one game in to play the game, put another to go online, theres no disc switching...

I don't see a diffrence. You have to change the disk to play portions of what comes in the box.

You don't have to switch discs to continue the game. MGonline is a different game anyway, all that comes with MGS4 is the starter pack.

And it didn't fit on one disk, you've been riding the lems for it... just face up and admit it... and move on.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.f50p90

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

He was rediculous. Luckily I in my 2nd playthrough I learned you could skip his fight alltogether

Just got to learn to use the Shotgun without going into first person view mode.

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

GundamGuy0

Put one game in to play the game, put another to go online, theres no disc switching...

I don't see a diffrence. You have to change the disk to play portions of what comes in the box.

You don't have to switch discs to continue the game. MGonline is a different game anyway, all that comes with MGS4 is the starter pack.

And it didn't fit on one disk, you've been riding the lems for it... just face up and admit it... and move on.

They pretty much have, you're driving the point at the moment.

Disc Changing ain't a great deal, really. Lost Odyssey wasn't worse for disc changing, neither was the original Metal Gear Solid. Both Sony Fans and Microsoft fans overstate the problems here.

thrones

I totaly agree, It's never bothered me. I just find it funny that Cows have been giving Lems hell for it... and it turns around that they are going to have to change a disk or two themselves.

[QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.f50p90

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

He was rediculous. Luckily I in my 2nd playthrough I learned you could skip his fight alltogether

HOW!

i sucked at the boss fights, i ended up changing the date on my ps2 in order to kill the end (he dies of old age)

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

this is all good and all, but does it make the Game any better or worse? Why get hyped because it's got way to much dialog?

Also two disks... hahahahahahahah Sucks to be cows, I mean they gave Lems a hard time about disk switching... looks like the egg is on their face.

GundamGuy0

Put one game in to play the game, put another to go online, theres no disc switching...

I don't see a diffrence. You have to change the disk to play portions of what comes in the box.

You don't have to switch discs to continue the game. MGonline is a different game anyway, all that comes with MGS4 is the starter pack.

And it didn't fit on one disk, you've been riding the lems for it... just face up and admit it... and move on.

I've been riding the lems for it? Lost Odyssey is in my sig??

thats just ridiculous. it's because of all the uncompressed audio, if it wasn't for that it would probably fit on 2 dvd's.shoeman12

It might even fit on one.

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.p2rus

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

He was rediculous. Luckily I in my 2nd playthrough I learned you could skip his fight alltogether

HOW!

i sucked at the boss fights, i ended up changing the date on my ps2 in order to kill the end (he dies of old age)

Dont remember exactly when but theres a scene when hes in a wheel chair. Right after it he gets wheeled off into a warehouse or something you have about 3 seconds to pull out your sniper and kill him in one shot and u can skip the boss fight

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.thrones

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

He was rediculous. Luckily I in my 2nd playthrough I learned you could skip his fight alltogether

Just got to learn to use the Shotgun without going into first person view mode.

some guy killed him in like 3 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-5xNUQ-fk

well not literally but yeah pretty good. and nonlethal.

anyone who has REAL computer knowledge should find this comical

you would have to really go out your way to fill up 50gigs for a single game

audioaxes

QFT!!!!11111!!!!!!!ONEONEONEFIVEFIVEFIVETENTENONE!!!ONEONE!

It's because it uses uncompressed audio. It's their own darn fault.Relys

They could have fixed that at ANY time. They are just using this as "clout" to "prove" that Bluray is needed. I am sorry, but logic prevails in this situation and proves that Bluray is NOT needed. Pfft. Sony must think we are dumber than dumb.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]thats just ridiculous. it's because of all the uncompressed audio, if it wasn't for that it would probably fit on 2 dvd's.GundamGuy0

It might even fit on one.

It would fit on 1 VERY easily. Pfft I swear to God. Crap like this only makes me hate Sony even more. I am not an idiot, but Sony is treating me like one.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]thats just ridiculous. it's because of all the uncompressed audio, if it wasn't for that it would probably fit on 2 dvd's.MadExponent

It might even fit on one.

It would fit on 1 VERY easily. Pfft I swear to God. Crap like this only makes me hate Sony even more. I am not an idiot, but Sony is treating me like one.

Sony isn't making the game though?

[QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="p2rus"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]This game should take at least 12-15 hrs to complete if Hideo used up all that memory. If you can beat the game in 4-6hrs, I think fans will be very disappointed.f50p90

you can beat oblivion in a few hours as well... mgs3 was epic for me, took me like a year cause i couldnt beat that damn spider boss!

He was rediculous. Luckily I in my 2nd playthrough I learned you could skip his fight alltogether

HOW!

i sucked at the boss fights, i ended up changing the date on my ps2 in order to kill the end (he dies of old age)

Dont remember exactly when but theres a scene when hes in a wheel chair. Right after it he gets wheeled off into a warehouse or something you have about 3 seconds to pull out your sniper and kill him in one shot and u can skip the boss fight

oh i thought u were talking about fear...also you can just change the date to not have to face those snipers though instead of the end.

what I find sad is that in this generation for some odd reason everyone is thinking that more GB's in some way means better quality games. there are games on XBLA and PSN that are only in the MB's range and are better than some of these 6gb --> +20gb monsters. :(LEGEND_C4A

SHHHH, don't let logic infiltrate SW.