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#51 CAPSROGUE
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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

WilliamRLBaker

Most people? MGS1= 6M, MGS2=7M, MGS3=4M, MGS4=5M and growing. Im pretty sure the people who hated the games are in the minority of those numbers;)

every one that purchased those games is a loyal fan? Oh and lets see, ps1 120 million? ps2 150 million? each of those games sold less then 10% of the install base...thats kind of sad For supposedly being renowned in your opinion as great games.

It's a proven fact that 90% of the people rent their movies.

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#52 Next-Gen-Tec
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[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"][QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

I don't understand.

Nero_Paladin

Sounds like the PSP team wants more funding for his PSP game, and upset that 360/PS3 game has more funding :| I mean 360/PS3 games cost more to make, so I don't get his point.

So the MGS4 team are upset about the situation and he finds it interesting to see there reactions? In what is that arrogant and selfish.

MGS4 team are babies.
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#53 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

BoloTheGreat

What you are saying is sooo wrong? Frankly unwatchable games to most people? MGS4 a fan service? Do you have any statistical numbers or just anecdotal ones? :roll:

MGS4 was a convoluted mess, more cutscene than gameplay = Kojiam basically wacking his "WOR IZ BAD!!" BS off in your face. It was turgid, heavy and would be laughed at as a B-Moive if it were strung together into what it should have been, a film.

IYO, and not in MOST PEOPLE"S EYES (like you blatantly said) Imagine how of a **** would I be seen, if I stated that MOST PEOPLE only cared abou Crysis for it's graphics and MOST PEOPLE couldn't even play 5 min of Stalker due the bugs problem... Oh and seems like critics across the globe are mostly mistaken it seems :roll:

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#54 SionPT
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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="Giancar"] What you are saying is sooo wrong? Frankly unwatchable games to most people? MGS4 a fan service? Do you have any statistical numbers or just anecdotal ones? :roll:Giancar

MGS4 was a convoluted mess, more cutscene than gameplay = Kojiam basically wacking his "WOR IZ BAD!!" BS off in your face. It was turgid, heavy and would be laughed at as a B-Moive if it were strung together into what it should have been, a film.

IYO, and not in MOST PEOPLE"S EYES (like you blatantly said) Imagine how of a **** would I be seen, if I stated that MOST PEOPLE only cared abou Crysis for it's graphics and MOST PEOPLE couldn't even play 5 min of Stalker due the bugs problem... Oh and seems like critics across the globe are mostly mistaken it seems :roll:

people let mgs4 story telling getting in the way of the awsomeness of the rest, great gameplay bosses, nostalgia, voice acting and so on.

plus say what u will yet, MGS4 is the best scoring this gen

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#55 SilverChimera
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[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

I don't blame him. He wants the ultimate machine to create the ultimate stealth action.Ain't getting thaton 360.

Which is why he's never really bother much with the 360 after all.

BoloTheGreat

Yes, and then in a moment of clairty he decided to totally neglect the PC because it's TOO powerfull, right?

**Waits for cows to claim superiority over PC** Kojiam is a fanboy. He needs to grow up a bit.

you can't be serious. how do you know he doesn't want to work on pc because of piracy and ps3 seems to be the best option?
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#56 Nero_Paladin
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[QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"] Sounds like the PSP team wants more funding for his PSP game, and upset that 360/PS3 game has more funding :| I mean 360/PS3 games cost more to make, so I don't get his point.Next-Gen-Tec

So the MGS4 team are upset about the situation and he finds it interesting to see there reactions? In what is that arrogant and selfish.

MGS4 team are babies.

My mistake, I see your point.

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#57 Revolution316
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i hope both games fail just to teach them to never agian make a mgs 360 game and never hype the fans of the series that your goign to make a MGS5 at E3 then slaping our face with announcing a god damn psp game and a spin off ninja gaiden wannabe game.

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#58 Liquid_DC
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

BoloTheGreat

What you are saying is sooo wrong? Frankly unwatchable games to most people? MGS4 a fan service? Do you have any statistical numbers or just anecdotal ones? :roll:

MGS4 was a convoluted mess, more cutscene than gameplay = Kojiam basically wacking his "WOR IZ BAD!!" BS off in your face. It was turgid, heavy and would be laughed at as a B-Moive if it were strung together into what it should have been, a film.

the game was sick. and the gameplay was in more than the cutscenes. everything jus felt right about the game. oh and i almost forgot gs mgs4=10/10 ign mgs4=10/10 sold 5 million and counting hate all u want

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#59 Wii_Gamer_277
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The peace walker team is mad because there working on the graphically inferior psp, instead of working on the 360 and ps3 :? Talk about cry baby devs :lol:
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#60 Lionheart08
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So....Lems hate him again because he didn't make a 360 exclusive? That seems to be the feeling I'm getting from this thread.

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#61 Nero_Paladin
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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

WilliamRLBaker

Most people? MGS1= 6M, MGS2=7M, MGS3=4M, MGS4=5M and growing. Im pretty sure the people who hated the games are in the minority of those numbers;)

every one that purchased those games is a loyal fan? Oh and lets see, ps1 120 million? ps2 150 million? each of those games sold less then 10% of the install base...thats kind of sad For supposedly being renowned in your opinion as great games.

You no If you actually wanted to make a valid point you should have researched how many consoles were sold at the time of each games release.

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#62 nethernova
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Cry Moan Cry Moan, I hate Kojima cause i wish I was him!. You haters are jealous. lolCoreoVII
Does that mean you hate the haters because you are jealous and want to be like them?
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#63 thelastguy
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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

WilliamRLBaker

Most people? MGS1= 6M, MGS2=7M, MGS3=4M, MGS4=5M and growing. Im pretty sure the people who hated the games are in the minority of those numbers;)

every one that purchased those games is a loyal fan? Oh and lets see, ps1 120 million? ps2 150 million? each of those games sold less then 10% of the install base...thats kind of sad For supposedly being renowned in your opinion as great games.

MGS1 is 11th highest selling PS1 game, MGS2 is the 10th highest PS2 game, and MGS4 the 3rd highest selling PS3 game

The highest selling PS1 game is the original GT game at 10 million which is about 10% attach rate

You clearly don't know what you are talking about

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#64 Dystopian-X
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Well I'm glad that a console/PC game is getting more funds and "technology" than a handheld one, I mean it's logical.

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#65 killa4lyfe
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[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

I don't blame him. He wants the ultimate machine to create the ultimate stealth action.Ain't getting thaton 360.

Which is why he's never really bother much with the 360 after all.

BoloTheGreat

Yes, and then in a moment of clairty he decided to totally neglect the PC because it's TOO powerfull, right?

**Waits for cows to claim superiority over PC** Kojiam is a fanboy. He needs to grow up a bit.

wow its funny people say that, any 3rd party dev who is exclusive to one console/brand should then be a fanboy amirite? :roll: and the fact that the first game that surely started the massive upsurge of popularity of the said series can not be a good enough excuse to said brand/console...
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#66 TheArmyGuy48
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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

WilliamRLBaker

Most people? MGS1= 6M, MGS2=7M, MGS3=4M, MGS4=5M and growing. Im pretty sure the people who hated the games are in the minority of those numbers;)

every one that purchased those games is a loyal fan? Oh and lets see, ps1 120 million? ps2 150 million? each of those games sold less then 10% of the install base...thats kind of sad For supposedly being renowned in your opinion as great games.

Did I say every person had to be a fan? No. But HE, however, said that everyone thought it was convoluted. I can promise you there were more people who were fans than there were people who thought MGS was the scum of the earth.
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#67 Silent-Hal
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I'd have prefered Peace Walker to be the PS3/360 game and Rising to be a PSP spin-off, but that's just me. I care more about seeing more of Big Boss' story than I do about Raiden's.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"] Most people? MGS1= 6M, MGS2=7M, MGS3=4M, MGS4=5M and growing. Im pretty sure the people who hated the games are in the minority of those numbers;)

Nero_Paladin

every one that purchased those games is a loyal fan? Oh and lets see, ps1 120 million? ps2 150 million? each of those games sold less then 10% of the install base...thats kind of sad For supposedly being renowned in your opinion as great games.

You no If you actually wanted to make a valid point you should have researched how many consoles were sold at the time of each games release.

Didn't you know? There were 150 million PS2's sold the day after it launched on March 5, 2000.

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#69 Syn_Valence
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Kojima if nothing outta of your mouth is to confirm a zoe 3 game then STFU

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#70 mgsbethatgame
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[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

[QUOTE="tonitorsi"]

I don't blame him. He wants the ultimate machine to create the ultimate stealth action.Ain't getting thaton 360.

Which is why he's never really bother much with the 360 after all.

BoloTheGreat

Yes, and then in a moment of clairty he decided to totally neglect the PC because it's TOO powerfull, right?

**Waits for cows to claim superiority over PC** Kojiam is a fanboy. He needs to grow up a bit.

and gabe nowell and that fruit who made ninja gaiden isnt huh ill take kojima any day
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#71 CDUB316
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i guess that's why they're working on two separate games then? lol

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#72 Chutebox
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Kojima, scrap the PSP game and make it for Ps3 please, GO!

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#73 Rob-Belmont
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The Peace Walker team shouldn't be jealous, THEY'RE making the REAL MGS. I'm not trying to say Rising will be bad, but we all know it's just going to be a fan service spinoff.

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#74 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] He is though, this is an odd move from a man who makes frankly unwatchable games to most people. MGS4 was fan service, fan service is just crap if you are not a fan, he seems to have this strance commitment to Sony that reads a lot like he is an insular fanboy.

WilliamRLBaker

Most people? MGS1= 6M, MGS2=7M, MGS3=4M, MGS4=5M and growing. Im pretty sure the people who hated the games are in the minority of those numbers;)

every one that purchased those games is a loyal fan? Oh and lets see, ps1 120 million? ps2 150 million? each of those games sold less then 10% of the install base...thats kind of sad For supposedly being renowned in your opinion as great games.

So every single Ps1 and Ps2 game, ever, is a failure... Keep on trucking!
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#75 Luigi_The_Pimp
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i never quite understood why people are looking forward to MGSR considering the overwhelming majority of what made MGS4 great is on teh peace walker side there really isn't much to suggest MGSR will be good

Ragashahs
Kojima is overseeing both games, I dont think he's just going to sit back and let a team develop or release a bad game or one not to his standards. pretty basic stuff
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#76 Foxhound_spy
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I understand how Kojima feel ......... I know in the beginning he`s already want MGS series to end. But pity he`s being pressured to make another MGS by his boss at Konami. ANd Konami being paid by MS to bring MGS for 360 ......... And becausee he don`t want to upset PS fans he`s making the true MGS5 for PSP, MGS PW ............
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#77 Dystopian-X
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The Peace Walker team shouldn't be jealous, THEY'RE making the REAL MGS. I'm not trying to say Rising will be bad, but we all know it's just going to be a fan service spinoff.

Rob-Belmont
Too bad MPO really felt weak due to he PSP limitations, the same will happen with peace walker. Rising can still be good while not being limited by hardware.
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#78 mythrol
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Kind of arrogant and selfish.

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As always when talking about Kojima. The sad thing is that he's not even that impressive IMHO. The MGS series got away from him and the story became more and more convoluted with each game. It took him 4 massive games to tie all his loose ends and maybe 1% of that was done in game when the player actually had some control over his actions. Cutscenes don't make a game developer amazing people and I can't believe how many people praise this mans work.

I've always believed this. He is basically the Ikaguki of Konami.
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#79 Lionheart08
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Kojima, scrap the PSP game and make it for Ps3 please, GO!

Chutebox

No keep it on the PSP. Seriously, people go from saying the PSP has no killer apps, and then when it gets some everyone want it on another system. :P

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#80 Dystopian-X
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Kind of arrogant and selfish.

mythrol
As always when talking about Kojima. The sad thing is that he's not even that impressive IMHO. The MGS series got away from him and the story became more and more convoluted with each game. It took him 4 massive games to tie all his loose ends and maybe 1% of that was done in game when the player actually had some control over his actions. Cutscenes don't make a game developer amazing people and I can't believe how many people praise this mans work.

I've always believed this. He is basically the Ikaguki of Konami.

Kojima is one of the most humble developers, how is he anywhere near close to be making Itagaki-like claims? Since when?
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#81 pyromaniac223
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I'm looking forward to Rising because I want to see what a Metal Gear narrative can do when it's not bogged down with piss poor writing.
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#82 DethSkematik
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What in god's name is he wearing.DJ_Lae
Haha :P. Hey, when you're as powerful and well-respected as he is, you can...um, wear anything you want. lol. Anyway, I can see why both teams are at odds. It's sort of like "playing favorites" with one team, giving them more money and tech than the other. It's like having a co-worker get a raise or get promoted, and you're stuck at the same position. I won't deny that MGS for the PSP looks very promising (as with Rising), but joking about two team's differences isn't exacly something a boss should do...
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#83 themyth01
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i never quite understood why people are looking forward to MGSR considering the overwhelming majority of what made MGS4 great is on teh peace walker side there really isn't much to suggest MGSR will be good

Ragashahs
That's funny to hear considering we don't know anything about MGSR.
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#84 finalfantasy94
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Cant wait for both games. I want peace walker a bit more since Kojima is more hands on and MGS4 team is apart of it and MGS4 was plan awesome in every way.