Kotaku confirms that GTA IV: L&D outsells KZ2!

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#1 BioShockOwnz
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Sadly, because it's a digital download, we don't know exactly how many copies of Lost & Damned Microsoft and Rockstar managed to sell. We do know, however, it's more than 323,000.

Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg let slip the information in an interview with GameDaily - in which he calls the Grand Theft Auto IV expansion "the most successful game addon content we've ever launched" - saying "If that content was sold at retail, it would be one of the best sellers across all platforms. It would have outsold Killzone 2".

Interesting. Not for the "outsold" argument (which is hardly fair, since L&D was out for half of February while Killzone 2 was only out for a few days), but for the Lost & Damned sales ballpark. Nice to get one for a downloadable game, even if it still leaves us wondering...

Link to full article: http://kotaku.com/5176286/lost--damned-outsells-killzone-2-gives-us-sales-ballpark

Pretty darn impressive. :o What say you?

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#2 Toriko42
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What say I? It deserves it and I'm still pissed GS didn't review it unlike all other major gaming sites.
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#3 resevl4rlz
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ok and how on earth are they suppose to be conparing the sales of a dlc to an fps

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#4 f50p90
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I say one of the best selling IP's of all time outsold another game.. :o alert the press!!
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#5 Chutebox
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I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

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#6 Derek240
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I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

Chutebox

Not to mention the install base GTA already had.

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#8 Zoso-8
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Not that impressive to be honest. GTA is similar to Halo, anything with that name slapped on it will sell well. Not saying it's not quality, but it's the truth. Comparing that to a previously unproven franchise with almost no fanbase and costing $40 more seems like the type of logic fanboys would use.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

Derek240

Not to mention the install base GTA already had.

So the rabid PS3 fanboys who hyped this game to no end and as the 360 killer, PS3 system seller, and all that jazz doesnt count as a install base?? Seems like its millions of them out there, always rating down movies on GT and metacritic, spamming threads here and every other gaming site saying "ps3 iz da bestest", and it cant even outsell DLC!!???? DLC to a game that cows claim nobody plays, or cares about anymore??? i dont care how cows try to spin it, there is no way around the hype, and the ultimate sales failure of K2, and i OWN the game, so dont say i havent played it, i just really dislike fanboys who try to backtrack when sony screws up
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#11 thelastguy
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Not very surprising

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#12 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Derek240"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

navyguy21

Not to mention the install base GTA already had.

So the rabid PS3 fanboys who hyped this game to no end and as the 360 killer, PS3 system seller, and all that jazz doesnt count as a install base?? Seems like its millions of them out there, always rating down movies on GT and metacritic, spamming threads here and every other gaming site saying "ps3 iz da bestest", and it cant even outsell DLC!!???? DLC to a game that cows claim nobody plays, or cares about anymore??? i dont care how cows try to spin it, there is no way around the hype, and the ultimate sales failure of K2, and i OWN the game, so dont say i havent played it, i just really dislike fanboys who try to backtrack when sony screws up

You heard it here first: 330k in two days is a failure when compared to a game that costs $40 more and a much more popular franchise. AND We base everything that happens on the opinions of fanboys, wooooo

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#13 finalfantasy94
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Umm why should I be impressed its cheaper then KZ2 and a whole bunch of people own GTA4 on 360.

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#14 walter429
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L&D was out for 2 weeks... and KZ2 was out for 2 days... and L&D sold more... is that what this is saying? Not to mention a microsoft rep didn't mention the actual number of downloads for the microsoft console product that was launched by microsoft after microsoft allegedly paid 50 million dollars to launch it... microsoft. My god. We're doomed.
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#15 2beers_in_hand
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Um itsKotaku hello half their info is usually wrong or blown out of poportion. Like the article that TC just posted hmm 10 days of sales compared to two days of sales wow just wow.

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="Derek240"]

Not to mention the install base GTA already had.

Chutebox

So the rabid PS3 fanboys who hyped this game to no end and as the 360 killer, PS3 system seller, and all that jazz doesnt count as a install base?? Seems like its millions of them out there, always rating down movies on GT and metacritic, spamming threads here and every other gaming site saying "ps3 iz da bestest", and it cant even outsell DLC!!???? DLC to a game that cows claim nobody plays, or cares about anymore??? i dont care how cows try to spin it, there is no way around the hype, and the ultimate sales failure of K2, and i OWN the game, so dont say i havent played it, i just really dislike fanboys who try to backtrack when sony screws up

You heard it here first: 330k in two days is a failure when compared to a game that costs $40 more and a much more popular franchise. AND We base everything that happens on the opinions of fanboys, wooooo

Dont give me that BS, cows were saying MS was stupid for spending money on DLC, now that said DLC outsells the most hyped game on their platform, now its "well GTA is more well known"?? :roll: oh please, K2 was supposed to sell MILLIONS ON DAY 1, so that two day crap is useless, any game can sell a million in a MONTH, Killzone 2 was not supposed to be any game, cows get upset when people call the game generic right?? well those sales are pretty generic......no?? How does Fable 2, Gears 2, MGS4, and even MOTORSTORM beat K2 in FIRST DAY sales?? it shouldnt take k2 weeks, or months to sell multiple millions, not the way it was hyped as "impossible on 360"
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#18 clembo1990
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So what? I thought sales didn't matter. Or is this dropped whenever something outsells another thing on your chosen system?
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]So the rabid PS3 fanboys who hyped this game to no end and as the 360 killer, PS3 system seller, and all that jazz doesnt count as a install base?? Seems like its millions of them out there, always rating down movies on GT and metacritic, spamming threads here and every other gaming site saying "ps3 iz da bestest", and it cant even outsell DLC!!???? DLC to a game that cows claim nobody plays, or cares about anymore??? i dont care how cows try to spin it, there is no way around the hype, and the ultimate sales failure of K2, and i OWN the game, so dont say i havent played it, i just really dislike fanboys who try to backtrack when sony screws upnavyguy21

You heard it here first: 330k in two days is a failure when compared to a game that costs $40 more and a much more popular franchise. AND We base everything that happens on the opinions of fanboys, wooooo

Dont give me that BS, cows were saying MS was stupid for spending money on DLC, now that said DLC outsells the most hyped game on their platform, now its "well GTA is more well known"?? :roll: oh please, K2 was supposed to sell MILLIONS ON DAY 1, so that two day crap is useless, any game can sell a million in a MONTH, Killzone 2 was not supposed to be any game, cows get upset when people call the game generic right?? well those sales are pretty generic......no?? How does Fable 2, Gears 2, MGS4, and even MOTORSTORM beat K2 in FIRST DAY sales?? it shouldnt take k2 weeks, or months to sell multiple millions, not the way it was hyped as "impossible on 360"

First of all, if you base all your thoughts off what fanboys say, then I really don't have anything to say to you.

I don't think I ever saw anyone hype KZ2 sales, because that's stupid. The only time is when Sony released the 1.1 million preorders in UK (which was misleading).

Never knew sales could be generic, that's definitely news to me. I don't know about Motorstorm beating it on day 1, but the other three you mention are pretty big games...

Please, refer to my first point though. If that's how you come to your conclusions then nevermind the rest.

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#21 Jekken6
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Grand Theft Auto does have a much larger fanbase than killzone/killzone 2

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#23 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

Grand Theft Auto does have a much larger fanbase than killzone/killzone 2

NinjaOmega8900

Really? judging by the massive amount of hype killozne 2 had since 2005 i could've swore the killzone 2 was gonna be huge!..

The game was hyped and it delivered.

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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega8900"]

[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

Grand Theft Auto does have a much larger fanbase than killzone/killzone 2

Chutebox

Really? judging by the massive amount of hype killozne 2 had since 2005 i could've swore the killzone 2 was gonna be huge!..

The game was hyped and it delivered.

But No1's buying

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#25 Dystopian-X
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Anyone who can grasp a few simple concepts like price, fanbase and such wouldn't be surprised by this.

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#26 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="NinjaOmega8900"]

Really? judging by the massive amount of hype killozne 2 had since 2005 i could've swore the killzone 2 was gonna be huge!..

NinjaOmega8900

The game was hyped and it delivered.

But No1's buying

Right... Where do you people get this from? Do you based every game off of Halo 3 sales now? This is ridiculous.
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#27 ejstrup
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega8900"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

The game was hyped and it delivered.

Chutebox

But No1's buying

Right... Where do you people get this from? Do you based every game off of Halo 3 sales now? This is ridiculous.

They'll always find something Chute ;) If it isn't t one thing, it's another. If it had sold more, they'd just find something else... like MGS4, who want's to watch a game boohooohoooo? :roll:
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#28 elpoep
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[QUOTE="NinjaOmega8900"]

[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

Grand Theft Auto does have a much larger fanbase than killzone/killzone 2

Chutebox

Really? judging by the massive amount of hype killozne 2 had since 2005 i could've swore the killzone 2 was gonna be huge!..

The game was hyped and it delivered.

Delivered to stores =/= to delivered to homes

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#29 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="NinjaOmega8900"]

Really? judging by the massive amount of hype killozne 2 had since 2005 i could've swore the killzone 2 was gonna be huge!..

elpoep

The game was hyped and it delivered.

Delivered to stores =/= to delivered to homes

Almost funny...almost! I wonder what people will think of next to try and bring KZ2 down.
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#30 PSdual_wielder
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The media is doing too much to feed the fanboy wars.

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#31 Blue-Sky
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I understand a hyped release being compared on opening sales, but seriously GTA and Halo are two of the most popular franchises in gaming, what exactly are we expecting here? Not to mention Killzone, barely had a following to begin, I treat the sequel as a new IP.

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I say one of the best selling IP's of all time outsold another game.. :o alert the press!!f50p90
my gosh and it was cheaper than a 60dollar game, my gosh breaking news
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#33 Jekken6
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[QUOTE="Jekken6"]

Grand Theft Auto does have a much larger fanbase than killzone/killzone 2

NinjaOmega8900

Really? judging by the massive amount of hype killozne 2 had since 2005 i could've swore the killzone 2 was gonna be huge!..

Grand Theft Auto has been popular since 1997

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Two things are wrong with this first off 323,000 is Killzone 2,s US ONLY numbers and its only counting 2 days to boot 2)"in which he calls the Grand Theft Auto IV expansion "the most successful game addon content we've ever launched" he's talking Worldwide and its counting around 14 days ( launched 16 Feb) So its 14 days of worldwide sales of The lost and the damned vs 2 days of US only sales of Killzone 2 hardly what id call a fair comparison
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#35 TheAnnihilation
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Wow. :shock:

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#37 spence1988
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... 2 days sales vs. 2 weeks sales... Does anyone NOT see the flaw in this logic? Not to mention the fact that it's comparing DLC to a new game... ugh, talk about grabbing at straws.
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umm kool? except killzone 2 isnt just out in America, and doesnt change the fact killzone 2 is amazing soooo nice fact bioshock?
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I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

Chutebox

And millions of people already had GTA4 and were waiting for the DLC(which should have been free IMO).

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

shakmaster13

And millions of people already had GTA4 and were waiting for the DLC(which should have been free IMO).

I don't know if it should have been free, they added a lot to it from what I read.
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#41 PAL360
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Umm why should I be impressed its cheaper then KZ2 and a whole bunch of people own GTA4 on 360.

finalfantasy94

Humm...arent there more ppl with the PS3 than with the 360 + GTA4?

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#42 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Umm why should I be impressed its cheaper then KZ2 and a whole bunch of people own GTA4 on 360.

PAL360

Humm...arent there more ppl with the PS3 than with the 360 + GTA4?

As someone said before, the GTA numbers are worldwide while KZ2 is just NA.

Not to mention all the other factors that play into it.

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#43 DeadMan1290
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Any discussion concerning games or sales. Halo comes in:| Halo has nothing to do here.

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Two things are wrong with this first off 323,000 is Killzone 2,s US ONLY numbers and its only counting 2 days to boot 2)"in which he calls the Grand Theft Auto IV expansion "the most successful game addon content we've ever launched" he's talking Worldwide and its counting around 14 days ( launched 16 Feb) So its 14 days of worldwide sales of The lost and the damned vs 2 days of US only sales of Killzone 2 hardly what id call a fair comparisonmicky4889
Exactly, if lemmings want to claim ownage on this then I think when talking of hardware sales I think we should just say Playstation sales and include PSP, PS2 and the PS3. If they really want to compare sales and only count U.S. sales when the other is including World Wide sales lol.
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Can't say I'm surprised...at all
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#47 sikanderahmed
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too bad kz2 is much better game then gta4 and its expansion

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#48 deactivated-5a84f3399aa1c
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Of course it did. One is GTA4 and the other... isn't.
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#49 MaximumD
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[QUOTE="Derek240"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

I say KZ2 was out for two days and is $40 more expensive.

navyguy21

Not to mention the install base GTA already had.

So the rabid PS3 fanboys who hyped this game to no end and as the 360 killer, PS3 system seller, and all that jazz doesnt count as a install base?? Seems like its millions of them out there, always rating down movies on GT and metacritic, spamming threads here and every other gaming site saying "ps3 iz da bestest", and it cant even outsell DLC!!???? DLC to a game that cows claim nobody plays, or cares about anymore??? i dont care how cows try to spin it, there is no way around the hype, and the ultimate sales failure of K2, and i OWN the game, so dont say i havent played it, i just really dislike fanboys who try to backtrack when sony screws up

All of a sudden because of Sales, the game went down a level? Please, the game is a great and scored a 9 here. Stop Damage Controlling. Sales should not matter to us gamers.
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#50 lundy86_4
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What I don't get is this part, "Sadly, because it's a digital download, we don't know exactly how many copies of Lost & Damned Microsoft and Rockstar managed to sell. We do know, however, it's more than 323,000."

How do they know they sold "more than 323,000" yet can't give more of a somewhat tangible number. I mean a ball park figure would have been even better as it is DLC.

Anyways I wouldn't be suprised, as this is GTA, with maybe 2 of the games scoring lower than a 9 on GS.