KZ2 is going to be native 1080i

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#51 chansaet
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"Native 1080i" is PR for "It runs at 720p" we all know that they are almost the same (with 720p being better for games) why would i want an interlaced image in a FPS??navyguy21
its not for you. 1080i is for people (like me) who own older HDTV's which can't display (or in my case down sclaes 720p to 480p). With PS3 this is a big deal because many games do not support 1080i. So people with older TV's have to look carefully when buying a PS3 game (Reason why I don't own a PS3) For the X360 all games support 1080i. This is why you never hear about X360 games supporting it. It is a given that 1080i is supported (reason I own a X360)
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#52 kerpal_cz
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The lems will be crying so hard when this game comes out. They will easily regret their 360 purchase.SolidGame_basic

Yeah, crying from laughter.

How long has GT been in development?

And now the bomb drops saying it's 1080i? HAHAHAHAAA

Did they finally get around to adding car damage? Or custom paint? 

Have fun racing 1,300 types of Skyline.  

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#53 kingfire11
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[QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]The lems will be crying so hard when this game comes out. They will easily regret their 360 purchase.kerpal_cz

Yeah, crying from laughter.

How long has GT been in development?

And now the bomb drops saying it's 1080i? HAHAHAHAAA

Did they finally get around to adding car damage? Or custom paint? 

Have fun racing 1,300 types of Skyline.  

Yeah spin it lem, this is about KZ2, which shaping up to be a great shooter so far.
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#54 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]"Native 1080i" is PR for "It runs at 720p" we all know that they are almost the same (with 720p being better for games) why would i want an interlaced image in a FPS??chansaet
its not for you. 1080i is for people (like me) who own older HDTV's which can't display (or in my case down sclaes 720p to 480p). With PS3 this is a big deal because many games do not support 1080i. So people with older TV's have to look carefully when buying a PS3 game (Reason why I don't own a PS3) For the X360 all games support 1080i. This is why you never hear about X360 games supporting it. It is a given that 1080i is supported (reason I own a X360)

I suppose you are right, its really not for me because i have a 60" 1080p TV so its going to look great regardless, but the whole Native 1080i is just PR talk because it sounds better than 720p. And with all the motion blur in K2, you WILL notice the interlaced image.!

my setup

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#55 chansaet
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[QUOTE="chansaet"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]"Native 1080i" is PR for "It runs at 720p" we all know that they are almost the same (with 720p being better for games) why would i want an interlaced image in a FPS??navyguy21

its not for you. 1080i is for people (like me) who own older HDTV's which can't display (or in my case down sclaes 720p to 480p). With PS3 this is a big deal because many games do not support 1080i. So people with older TV's have to look carefully when buying a PS3 game (Reason why I don't own a PS3) For the X360 all games support 1080i. This is why you never hear about X360 games supporting it. It is a given that 1080i is supported (reason I own a X360)

I suppose you are right, its really not for me because i have a 60" 1080p TV so its going to look great regardless, but the whole Native 1080i is just PR talk because it sounds better than 720p. And with all the motion blur in K2, you WILL notice the interlaced image.

awsome set dude. My HDTV is 1080i but it looks really good. It's 46 inch. I'll upgrade when in like a year or two. Right now 1080i still looks awsome.
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#56 Ilikemyname420
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]"Native 1080i" is PR for "It runs at 720p" we all know that they are almost the same (with 720p being better for games) why would i want an interlaced image in a FPS??chansaet
its not for you. 1080i is for people (like me) who own older HDTV's which can't display (or in my case down sclaes 720p to 480p). With PS3 this is a big deal because many games do not support 1080i. So people with older TV's have to look carefully when buying a PS3 game (Reason why I don't own a PS3) For the X360 all games support 1080i. This is why you never hear about X360 games supporting it. It is a given that 1080i is supported (reason I own a X360)

They were saying it runs 'native' to 1080i which should mean it's not upscaling and outputting it to it....then again this could all be a pack of lies and that's exactly what they were talking about.
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#57 3picuri3
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1080i due to the memory bottlenecks. it's tough for the PS3 to push high res textures + high resolutions. been proven time and time again - see MGS4 :P
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#58 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="chansaet"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]"Native 1080i" is PR for "It runs at 720p" we all know that they are almost the same (with 720p being better for games) why would i want an interlaced image in a FPS??navyguy21

its not for you. 1080i is for people (like me) who own older HDTV's which can't display (or in my case down sclaes 720p to 480p). With PS3 this is a big deal because many games do not support 1080i. So people with older TV's have to look carefully when buying a PS3 game (Reason why I don't own a PS3) For the X360 all games support 1080i. This is why you never hear about X360 games supporting it. It is a given that 1080i is supported (reason I own a X360)

I suppose you are right, its really not for me because i have a 60" 1080p TV so its going to look great regardless, but the whole Native 1080i is just PR talk because it sounds better than 720p. And with all the motion blur in K2, you WILL notice the interlaced image.!

my setup

actually a 60 inch TV is too large for 1080p, and especially 1080i. this is common knowledge. the larger the set the more obvious the flaws become. I think 42 inch is the optimal size for 1080p, anything over that magnifies the suck.
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="chansaet"] its not for you. 1080i is for people (like me) who own older HDTV's which can't display (or in my case down sclaes 720p to 480p). With PS3 this is a big deal because many games do not support 1080i. So people with older TV's have to look carefully when buying a PS3 game (Reason why I don't own a PS3) For the X360 all games support 1080i. This is why you never hear about X360 games supporting it. It is a given that 1080i is supported (reason I own a X360)3picuri3

I suppose you are right, its really not for me because i have a 60" 1080p TV so its going to look great regardless, but the whole Native 1080i is just PR talk because it sounds better than 720p. And with all the motion blur in K2, you WILL notice the interlaced image.!

actually a 60 inch TV is too large for 1080p, and especially 1080i. this is common knowledge. the larger the set the more obvious the flaws become. I think 42 inch is the optimal size for 1080p, anything over that magnifies the suck.

Please tell me I did not just read that.

[insert facepalm here]

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#61 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] I suppose you are right, its really not for me because i have a 60" 1080p TV so its going to look great regardless, but the whole Native 1080i is just PR talk because it sounds better than 720p. And with all the motion blur in K2, you WILL notice the interlaced image.!

 

 

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actually a 60 inch TV is too large for 1080p, and especially 1080i. this is common knowledge. the larger the set the more obvious the flaws become. I think 42 inch is the optimal size for 1080p, anything over that magnifies the suck.

Please tell me I did not just read that.

[insert facepalm here]

 

think it's time some of you spend some time in the avsforums.

 

when you get to a certain size you have to sit X feet away to not notice the flaws on larger displays, this is how the optimal size of a TV is calculate, there are charts everywhere. when you get up to 60 inches you have to have a pretty massive room to set things up so you're not seeing the flaws... 42 inch is the optimal size based on the average rec room space / optimal feet from display. 60 inch you start needing like 15-20ft distance between couch / set.  

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#62 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]actually a 60 inch TV is too large for 1080p, and especially 1080i. this is common knowledge. the larger the set the more obvious the flaws become. I think 42 inch is the optimal size for 1080p, anything over that magnifies the suck.3picuri3

Please tell me I did not just read that.

[insert facepalm here]

 

think it's time some of you spend some time in the avsforums.

I don't understand. What would you consider to be better than 1080p on a large set?
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#63 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Bazooka_4ME"]

 

Please tell me I did not just read that.

[insert facepalm here]

 

mattbbpl

think it's time some of you spend some time in the avsforums.

I don't understand. What would you consider to be better than 1080p on a large set?

1080p is great for large sets, i'm just saying the larger the set the further away you have to sit before you don't notice issues with visual fidelity that are magnified by a larger screen... with 60'' you have to be hella far away, longer than most 360 / PS3 controller charge cables.

 

anything over 42 is overkill unless you live in a freaking open concept condo or warehouse. 

 

a lot of ill-informed consumers assume larger is better, but it's not. screen size is always relative to couch / viewing distance. so in essence if you're sitting the right distance away the screen always appears to be the same size. screen size should only enter purchase consideration (45 inch +) if you have a massive space to fill. if you're not considering that you're just wasting money to look cool and say 'mah tv is biggah than yurz'. 

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#64 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] think it's time some of you spend some time in the avsforums.3picuri3
I don't understand. What would you consider to be better than 1080p on a large set?

1080p is great for large sets, i'm just saying the larger the set the further away you have to sit before you don't notice issues with visual fidelity that are magnified by a larger screen... with 60'' you have to be hella far away, longer than most 360 / PS3 controller charge cables.

So you're not saying that 1080p is a bad resolution on a large television (which is the highest definition that is currently readily available), you're saying that 60" is too large for a tv?

Edit: I see your edit above, and it's clear that you are indeed saying that.

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#65 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I don't understand. What would you consider to be better than 1080p on a large set?mattbbpl
1080p is great for large sets, i'm just saying the larger the set the further away you have to sit before you don't notice issues with visual fidelity that are magnified by a larger screen... with 60'' you have to be hella far away, longer than most 360 / PS3 controller charge cables.

So you're not saying that 1080p is a bad resolution on a large television (which is the highest definition that is currently readily available), you're saying that 60" is too large for a tv?

right, unless you have a massive space you're putting it in. based on the average living / rec room size 42 inch is optimal for 1080p. if you have a smaller / medium, or even large size rec room 60 inch will almost always be a waste of money. unless you can put your couch 15-20 feet back from the set you're going to notice issues with fidelity and the picture won't look 'optimal' as designed by the manufacturer of the set. not to mention it's bad for your eyes in the long run sitting closer than recommended distance, plus it puts people with epilepsy / seizure issues at greater risk. 

 

i pretty much always laugh at people with 60inch sets, including my relatives, that live in modest dwellings. it's just a stupid 'keeping up with the jones's' attitude that bigger is better, etc. it's just not - unless you have the space. 

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#66 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="3picuri3"] 1080p is great for large sets, i'm just saying the larger the set the further away you have to sit before you don't notice issues with visual fidelity that are magnified by a larger screen... with 60'' you have to be hella far away, longer than most 360 / PS3 controller charge cables. 3picuri3
So you're not saying that 1080p is a bad resolution on a large television (which is the highest definition that is currently readily available), you're saying that 60" is too large for a tv?

right, unless you have a massive space you're putting it in. based on the average living / rec room size 42 inch is optimal for 1080p. if you have a smaller / medium, or even large size rec room 60 inch will almost always be a waste of money. unless you can put your couch 15-20 feet back from the set you're going to notice issues with fidelity and the picture won't look 'optimal' as designed by the manufacturer of the set.

Understood. I'm an ex-PC gamer, so all the HD resolutions seem a little sub-par to what I'm used to. I guess it's just the price of the convenience of console play.
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#67 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] So you're not saying that 1080p is a bad resolution on a large television (which is the highest definition that is currently readily available), you're saying that 60" is too large for a tv? mattbbpl
right, unless you have a massive space you're putting it in. based on the average living / rec room size 42 inch is optimal for 1080p. if you have a smaller / medium, or even large size rec room 60 inch will almost always be a waste of money. unless you can put your couch 15-20 feet back from the set you're going to notice issues with fidelity and the picture won't look 'optimal' as designed by the manufacturer of the set.

Understood. I'm an ex-PC gamer, so all the HD resolutions seem a little sub-par to what I'm used to. I guess it's just the price of the convenience of console play.

yeah, was funny watching all the console fanboys get all gleeful over 1080p.. been gaming 1080p for a decade or so on PC now, heh.
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#68 Timstuff
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The game only runs at 30 FPS, yes? Then 1080i should be fine for most people.
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#69 kerpal_cz
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What's this crap about seeing flaws in an image up close on a big screen?

We're talking about games here, and anything shown in it's native res (game wise) won't have artifacts no matter how close you sit. I game on a 106" projector, I can see artifacts on DVD's easy, but not when I'm gaming in native res. And I sit pretty close :P

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720p is actually better than 1080i :?
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thats great for hdtv owners
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720p is actually better than 1080i :? Dante2710
That's what I heard as well, I tried 1080i, and, yeah, I'm with 720p.
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[QUOTE="Dante2710"]720p is actually better than 1080i :? mitu123
That's what I heard as well, I tried 1080i, and, yeah, I'm with 720p.

It is, with 1080i you get more blur with fast moving objects.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]I didn't get the new memo where it says upscaled means native.McdonaIdsGuy
I didn't get the memo that you could not read links. "I got a message from one of our code gurus today about me talking about the 720p stuff I was spewing incorrectly and told me that we now support 1080i natively too. Glad they got that in too. Now rejoice!"

1080i just like GT5 is 1080p native,don't come with that trash here,consoles are too weak this gen for those resolutions is probably 960x1080 vertical upscaled,thats the cheap trick devs use to make u believe is 1080p or 1080i native,in fact is just 720p upscaled to 1080i.

1080i has less information than 720p since it only shows have the picture at any one time since its interlaced. I forget its p equivalent, but it is less.
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#75 campzor
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I'm no tech wizard but I think 720p is supposed to be better for games than 1080i. So that's what I'll be using.Floppy_Jim
Why? Sorry but ive always been confused with those kinda things... Isnt 1080 > 720? I know P is better then i... but isnt the larger number better? :D Can someone explain this to me.. coz my ps3 is set to 1080i
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#76 Teuf_
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The game is most definitely 720p native. That's the resolution they mentioned in their paper on the engine, and that's the resolution they've used for all of their screenshots. They're probably just supporting 1080i by upscaling, so that owners of old HDTV's don't have to play in 480p.
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#77 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]720p is actually better than 1080i :? NinjaMunkey01
That's what I heard as well, I tried 1080i, and, yeah, I'm with 720p.

It is, with 1080i you get more blur with fast moving objects.

Then we can agree to not use 1080i.