La Noire on 360 is 3 discs.

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]You say that as if "Microsoft" and "Xbox" aren't famous, popular brand names(maybe not as much in Japan, but in the largest gaming market America, Europe, and other parts of the world, definitely)... and like I said, the PS3 has sold only a couple of million less than the 360 even after the year head start and the huge price gap.

In my opinion, they're both successful consoles, especially when compared to the Gamecube and Xbox last gen. That's why I don't understand why people argue over sales so much. They both sold very well. They both sold at an extremely similar rate and are very close in sales, but both still very far behind the Wii. There's NO POINT in arguing over sales between the PS3 and 360. They're both winners in reality.

This is why I don't understand how anyone who's a 360 fanboy can call the PS3's sales "pathetic". They're almost the same sales, even with the advantages the 360 had. That is why I said calling the PS3's sales pathetic would be calling the 360's sales pathetic too since they're so close.garland51

Actually, it's Nintendo & Microsoft that are true winners for this gen in comparison to Gamecube & Xbox last gen. Sony is nowhere near successful. What do you call: having to do constant price drops to catch up with your competitors in sales (especially to 360)? Losing billions off of PS3's before they started turning a profit back Spring or Summer last year? Losing about 70% of marketshare &/or sales to both Wii & 360? That's considered being successful?

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="RoOodriGowW"]

Gotta love lems , the game comes in 3 discs with lesser content and yet they think that they've got the better version.It's like a token of inferiority and cheapness.

Teufelhuhn

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]gotta love cows, they put MS down for the entire gen for buying out exclusive content and DLC saying it's destroying the games industry now they are raving about how exclusive content makes the Ps3 better, also gotta love the way they make a big deal over something as insignificant as swapping a disc, something that requires a physical effort on par with lifting a pint in a pub.delta3074

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]You say that as if "Microsoft" and "Xbox" aren't famous, popular brand names(maybe not as much in Japan, but in the largest gaming market America, Europe, and other parts of the world, definitely)... and like I said, the PS3 has sold only a couple of million less than the 360 even after the year head start and the huge price gap.

In my opinion, they're both successful consoles, especially when compared to the Gamecube and Xbox last gen. That's why I don't understand why people argue over sales so much. They both sold very well. They both sold at an extremely similar rate and are very close in sales, but both still very far behind the Wii. There's NO POINT in arguing over sales between the PS3 and 360. They're both winners in reality.

This is why I don't understand how anyone who's a 360 fanboy can call the PS3's sales "pathetic". They're almost the same sales, even with the advantages the 360 had. That is why I said calling the PS3's sales pathetic would be calling the 360's sales pathetic too since they're so close.SolidTy

Actually, it's Nintendo & Microsoft that are true winners for this gen in comparison to Gamecube & Xbox last gen. Sony is nowhere near successful. What do you call: having to do constant price drops to catch up with your competitors in sales (especially to 360)? Losing billions off of PS3's before they started turning a profit back Spring or Summer last year? Losing about 70% of marketshare &/or sales to both Wii & 360? That's considered being successful?

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Knock it off boys, this ain't fanboy wars. ;)

DroidPhysX

I wish my threads wouldget this kind of attention :(

I wish my threads wouldget this kind of attention :(

Snyper-007

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]You say that as if "Microsoft" and "Xbox" aren't famous, popular brand names(maybe not as much in Japan, but in the largest gaming market America, Europe, and other parts of the world, definitely)... and like I said, the PS3 has sold only a couple of million less than the 360 even after the year head start and the huge price gap.

In my opinion, they're both successful consoles, especially when compared to the Gamecube and Xbox last gen. That's why I don't understand why people argue over sales so much. They both sold very well. They both sold at an extremely similar rate and are very close in sales, but both still very far behind the Wii. There's NO POINT in arguing over sales between the PS3 and 360. They're both winners in reality.

This is why I don't understand how anyone who's a 360 fanboy can call the PS3's sales "pathetic". They're almost the same sales, even with the advantages the 360 had. That is why I said calling the PS3's sales pathetic would be calling the 360's sales pathetic too since they're so close.SolidTy

Actually, it's Nintendo & Microsoft that are true winners for this gen in comparison to Gamecube & Xbox last gen. Sony is nowhere near successful. What do you call: having to do constant price drops to catch up with your competitors in sales (especially to 360)? Losing billions off of PS3's before they started turning a profit back Spring or Summer last year? Losing about 70% of marketshare &/or sales to both Wii & 360? That's considered being successful?

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

What is wrong with the thread now? I am seeing HTML problems. It must be due to people over-quoting.

[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]

I wish my threads wouldget this kind of attention :(

delta3074

Certainly this is not the first thread in SWabout a game being on multiple discsso I have no idea why this thread is so hot ?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Snyper-007"]

I wish my threads wouldget this kind of attention :(

Snyper-007

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Actually, it's Nintendo & Microsoft that are true winners for this gen in comparison to Gamecube & Xbox last gen. Sony is nowhere near successful. What do you call: having to do constant price drops to catch up with your competitors in sales (especially to 360)? Losing billions off of PS3's before they started turning a profit back Spring or Summer last year? Losing about 70% of marketshare &/or sales to both Wii & 360? That's considered being successful?

RR360DD

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

Actually, it's Nintendo & Microsoft that are true winners for this gen in comparison to Gamecube & Xbox last gen. Sony is nowhere near successful. What do you call: having to do constant price drops to catch up with your competitors in sales (especially to 360)? Losing billions off of PS3's before they started turning a profit back Spring or Summer last year? Losing about 70% of marketshare &/or sales to both Wii & 360? That's considered being successful?

delta3074

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

Sometimes in SW, I feel like I've said the same things over and over. :P Yep, Sony should have done better, and Sony did sacrifice their gamers for Blu-Ray victory. There was some bad decisions made by management. You know, if I continue this discussion and the route set here, I may as well be back in 2005-2006 SW, where I carried the exact same convo's. :lol:

Krazy Ken just needed to get away from the microphone, and stay as an engineer, in my opinion. :P Good chat, boyo. :P

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

RR360DD

I really doubt that they did that much. The PS3 still outsold the 360 surprisingly in its first year I believe. How though is really beyond me with that price point it released with.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

SolidTy

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

SolidTy

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

Yeah, man. Of course factors like brand power contribute (either positively or negatively), and the Playstation's name helped the PS3 this gen. But circumstances, both controlled--like the price--and uncontrolled--like competitors--affect the situation as well.

Overall, it's true that each generation resets marketshare. Also, I'd say each manufacturer had their respective successes this generation, so far.

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I haven't read or posted in this thread for about two days! How did this subject come about? :P

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

SolidTy

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

Sony wasn't some how starting this generation as the Winner that must be dethroned. Sony has to earn the right to be declared the winner again. This gen is half over, so we shall see how it turns out.

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

I'm lazy, i don't wanna swap disc if i don't have to thats why i own Ps3 :lol:

360owners maybe can install the game so they only need one? but other hand lemmings don't like installs :P

Supabul

I'll be playing it on PS3 for 60 hrs straight and won't have to get up once, unless I need to go toilet, but that won't count I'm not changing the disc HA 360 users hope you enjoy your disc swapping

Sounds like you need to get a ******* job.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

marklarmer

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

That happens every generation of consoles and will continue on. I remember buying both my 360's at 2005 launch, I remember buying my PS3, my Wii, my Gamecube, My PS2, My Xbox, My Dreamcast, my N64, my Playstation, my SNES, my NES, my Genesis, my Saturn at launches. I reserved all but the Saturn, but that was Sega's fault for doing a surprise launch at E3. I was still at the Saturn launch though, and it was a huge event. Every one of the launchs I went too were crazy, and that trend is going to continue.

I even saw the same fanfair for the Gameboy Advance Launch, DS launch, Zune launch, Window's launches, and PSP launch. I already said that Obviously Brand Power is a variable.

For instance, the NINTENDO Wii's sales success (80+ million) this generation wasn't due to Brand Power, as we only have to look at the 24+ million selling Gamecube over 5+ years. There are a ton of other variables at play.

Each Generation's marketshare is reset when a new generation is started.

Future generations sales can't be controlled by a previous generation.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

marklarmer

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

CajunShooter

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

Sony wasn't some how starting this generation as the Winner that must be dethroned. Sony has to earn the right to be declared the winner again. This gen is half over, so we shall see how it turns out.

Yes, that's a great analogy. :P

It's true though that people don't tend to listen, because this particular discussion seems to pop up in SW every few weeks...:lol:

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

CajunShooter

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

Sony wasn't some how starting this generation as the Winner that must be dethroned. Sony has to earn the right to be declared the winner again. This gen is half over, so we shall see how it turns out.

Lol, it's funny that you mention that. If it were the case, the NBA would reserve a spot for the Lakers in the Finals, and require the remaining 29 teams to vie for the other spot, to defeat them. :P

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Thats not true at all, you are completely underestimating the power of a brand. Sony really damaged the Playstation brand this gen by being arrogant and thinking their their loyal fanbase would buy any old crap they released.

Episode_Eve

No, it's most definitely true, and I'm stating a fact.

I'm not completely underestimating anything.

Obviously Brand power is a variable, but my statement is a fact. That's also why Nintendo, who were on top of the console sales world didn't stay on top. That's why Atari who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. That's why Sony who were on top of the world didn't stay on top. Each Generation market share is reset. ;) Next generation will be a whole new ballgame as well. The console industry is not alone in these cycles either.

Yeah, man. Of course factors like brand power contribute (either positively or negatively), and the Playstation's name helped the PS3 this gen. But circumstances, both controlled--like the price--and uncontrolled--like competitors--affect the situation as well.

Overall, it's true that each generation resets marketshare. Also, I'd say each manufacturer had their respective successes this generation, so far.

---

I haven't read or posted in this thread for about two days! How did this subject come about? :P

I have no idea how the subjects come about, it's a wild ride here in SW sometimes. :lol: I would agree, each manufacturer has had their respective success, for sure.

Hmmmm...I can also say that L.A. Noire is looking to be a sharp game! :P

That's 100% sad when you try you're best to defend a console that's suppose to be "next gen" but games still come with 3 discs.:lol:. I love the damage control keep it up :P

I wonder if this thread is gonna be just as big as the crysis 2 hype thread.

That's 100% sad when you try you're best to defend a console that's suppose to be "next gen" but games still come with 3 discs.:lol:. I love the damage control keep it up :P

FearNoAngel5

I've always felt special when I had more than 1 disk for games in the past, but if I can have the same amount of content on one disk, I guess I would take that.

also with DVD those things get ware and tare pretty easily 3x disk = three times the chace of having scrached or damaged disks that might render the game incomplete.

one thing I do like about blu-ray is it's supposed to be very durable unlike dvd.

I honestly don't have problems with these kinds of things. In fact, I like it. IT makes the game/movie/ album seem more epic when you have to change discs

"Intermission, please switch to Disc 2"

n00bproof

Typical 360 fan down playing a real flaw with the 360, all of us PS3 fans said this years ago, we knew there would come a time where games would exceed a DVD-9 and require multiple discs on 360.

However the PS3 will not have that problem anytime soon, ahh good ol' Blu-ray, well, sorry but you get what you pay for 360 boys, enjoy your disc swapping....LOL.

Meh, currently playingLost Odyssey, (which is on 4 discs), and still having a blast. Seriously, is moving that strenuous?

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] Why does it suck?Optical_Order

It literally takes ten seconds to pop the disc out and put in another one.

You must be like jabba the hut if this is too much movement for you.

lol thats a funny thingv to say.

You can always dream, no problem with that :P

Meh, currently playingLost Odyssey, (which is on 4 discs), and still having a blast. Seriously, is moving that strenuous?

noodlevixen

not really. but 1 disc > 3 discs. that's all there is to it.

I've always felt special when I had more than 1 disk for games in the past, but if I can have the same amount of content on one disk, I guess I would take that.

also with DVD those things get ware and tare pretty easily 3x disk = three times the chace of having scrached or damaged disks that might render the game incomplete.

one thing I do like about blu-ray is it's supposed to be very durable unlike dvd.

casharmy

Lol, I agree with everything you said. Back in the day, when I was younger, I felt that a game was special and "better" because it was on multiple discs. Man, it's on 3/4 discs! Epic! :P That's changed, though.

Blu-ray durability is very much appreciated, too. Every disc format should do the same from here on out.

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

I've always felt special when I had more than 1 disk for games in the past, but if I can have the same amount of content on one disk, I guess I would take that.

also with DVD those things get ware and tare pretty easily 3x disk = three times the chace of having scrached or damaged disks that might render the game incomplete.

one thing I do like about blu-ray is it's supposed to be very durable unlike dvd.

Episode_Eve

Lol, I agree with everything you said. Back in the day, when I was younger, I felt that a game was special and "better" because it was on multiple discs. Man, it's on 3/4 discs! Epic! :P That's changed, though.

Blu-ray durability is very much appreciated, too. Every disc format should do the same from here on out.

Well, if you play on 360, then a game on more than one disc might still feel that way. I guess the same would be true if a ps3 game came on more than one disc.

I mean, more than one disc would mean more content in relation to other games on your system, regardless of what system or disc format right? Dual layer vs. single layer notwithstanding.

But yeah, the blu-ray's durability is an oft understated benefit. I've literally never seen one scratched.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

I've always felt special when I had more than 1 disk for games in the past, but if I can have the same amount of content on one disk, I guess I would take that.

also with DVD those things get ware and tare pretty easily 3x disk = three times the chace of having scrached or damaged disks that might render the game incomplete.

one thing I do like about blu-ray is it's supposed to be very durable unlike dvd.

Pug-Nasty

Lol, I agree with everything you said. Back in the day, when I was younger, I felt that a game was special and "better" because it was on multiple discs. Man, it's on 3/4 discs! Epic! :P That's changed, though.

Blu-ray durability is very much appreciated, too. Every disc format should do the same from here on out.

Well, if you play on 360, then a game on more than one disc might still feel that way. I guess the same would be true if a ps3 game came on more than one disc.

I mean, more than one disc would mean more content in relation to other games on your system, regardless of what system or disc format right? Dual layer vs. single layer notwithstanding.

But yeah, the blu-ray's durability is an oft understated benefit. I've literally never seen one scratched.

more discs =/= more content.

Especially these days with HD video and audio being used in games.

Look at FFXIII, the actual game data fits on a single DvD9 but it has 3 discs to store different FMV/Audio segments and most of the 3 discs still have a gig or so of space left on them unused.

well this game was originally made for the ps3

[QUOTE="n00bproof"]

I honestly don't have problems with these kinds of things. In fact, I like it. IT makes the game/movie/ album seem more epic when you have to change discs

"Intermission, please switch to Disc 2"

Slimmin360

Typical 360 fan down playing a real flaw with the 360, all of us PS3 fans said this years ago, we knew there would come a time where games would exceed a DVD-9 and require multiple discs on 360.

However the PS3 will not have that problem anytime soon, ahh good ol' Blu-ray, well, sorry but you get what you pay for 360 boys, enjoy your disc swapping....LOL.

"Tagy, what did you learn from this thread?"

"That gamers are lazzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyy." :P