Lair devs respond to bad reviews

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Bad reviews? Link, haven't seen them yet and I preordered :SVandalvideo

EGM gave it a 6

IT's not been distributed yet. I'll be online once the mag is in peoples hands. (It was confermed by an editor at 1up.)

[QUOTE="h575309"]

no matter how any mgs in the future is reviewed i will buy it as long as kojima is heading the project... i trust him to make a great game more than i trust a review.... every one of those games is amazing in every department.... i could careless about some reviewers nitpicking

Staccat0

I'm glad someone in the gaming community has the guts to buy sequels to games and ignore the flaws they contain... You sir, are what is right with our industry.

And what is wrong with our industry. So, you say its ok to pay $60 for something that is trash? Shouldn't we be expecting high quality games for our $60? Shouldn't we demand that games be bug-free when shipped? So you are saying that we should go out and spend $60 just because it says Metal Gear on the cover? This is why they call you guys Cows...

Now, I'm not saying that MGS4 is going to be trash - I'm hoping it comes to the 360 from what I've seen of it. But to just blindly say "he has the guts to buy sequels to games and ignore the flaws they contain" just is so wrong. What you just said IS THE CRUX OF WHAT IS WRONG with the gaming industry. Crank out crap. Crappy sequels. Crappy ports. They'll buy it!

[QUOTE="asdasd"]

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.norfair_dweller

He has a good point. Apperently the EGM review was low because of the sixaxis controls.

This is what he said.

The common complaint in those bad reviews seem to be the controls - putting the dragon streering on the motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller doesn't sit well with some of the experienced gamers. First of all: try it out yourself, give it a chance!

How the hell do you know that you will hate the contols just because a couple reviewers did? Im personally am buying it

Because reviewers are there to tell you whether the game is good or not.

Exactly. So if EGM hates the game, I know I'll probably like it.

As counterpart,if 1Up likes it, I'll probably like it too.

[QUOTE="Staccat0"][QUOTE="h575309"]

no matter how any mgs in the future is reviewed i will buy it as long as kojima is heading the project... i trust him to make a great game more than i trust a review.... every one of those games is amazing in every department.... i could careless about some reviewers nitpicking

REVENGEotSITH

I'm glad someone in the gaming community has the guts to buy sequels to games and ignore the flaws they contain... You sir, are what is right with our industry.

And what is wrong with our industry. So, you say its ok to pay $60 for something that is trash? Shouldn't we be expecting high quality games for our $60? Shouldn't we demand that games be bug-free when shipped? So you are saying that we should go out and spend $60 just because it says Metal Gear on the cover? This is why they call you guys Cows...

Someone missed the scarcasm.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"][QUOTE="asdasd"]

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.Pariah_001

He has a good point. Apperently the EGM review was low because of the sixaxis controls.

This is what he said.

The common complaint in those bad reviews seem to be the controls - putting the dragon streering on the motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller doesn't sit well with some of the experienced gamers. First of all: try it out yourself, give it a chance!

How the hell do you know that you will hate the contols just because a couple reviewers did? Im personally am buying it

Because reviewers are there to tell you whether the game is good or not.

Exactly. So if EGM hates the game, I know I'll probably like it.

As counterpart,if 1Up likes it, I'll probably like it too.

How does Gamespot fit into this? Good = Bad or Good = Good.

The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.norfair_dweller

What do you expect them to say... "our game is crap, don't buy it". :|

They shouldn't have to respond to others opinions; there aren't enough reviews to draw a conclusion. Who cares if it wasn't liked by EGM or whoever the other negative critic was.DementedDragon

Perhaps this is suggesting that they expect more bad reviews... or there are others we don't know about yet.

They're hit and miss lately. I notice that I trusted more of their reviews from the beginning towards the middle of the last gen, but they've begun to flounder.

For now, Gamespot is GOOD=GOOD, but they're drifting on the border.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.Dahaka-UK

What do you expect them to say... "our game is crap, don't buy it". :|

No they should just not say anything... they shouldn't respond to reviews...

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]Bad review....there has only been one and it is unconfirmed.norfair_dweller

To my knowledge, there are two negative reviews and both complained about the controls.

Link? (and I don't ask this as a generic pwnage but, instead, because I know the reviews do not exist)

they sound like the Too Human guys: please, give it a chance, we've put so much work in it.

i'll give it a chance though.

From that blog:

"And if you want my side of the story, I will share a simple anecdote: Victoria's family, lead by my 83-year old grandfather in law, was able to pick up Lair in less than 5 inutes, to fly around with the dragon and to play the first mission of the game.That experience right there beats anything that the reviewers can say."

Haha. Hey cows, don't sweat it, your Grandpa will LOVE Lair!

Zeliard9

It almost sounds like the laugh some gave Wii before it came out and took everything by storm. No, saying grandma or grandpa can play isn't the "coolest." But it does mean Sony is bring yet another title to capture the wide audience that Wii has.

Many of my recent favorites scored below 7 here. I won't name them, because some of you would think I was daft. My point is, know thyself, and the ratings lose their meaning entirely. Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]

[QUOTE="Truth-slayer"]Bad review....there has only been one and it is unconfirmed.dubvisions

To my knowledge, there are two negative reviews and both complained about the controls.

Link? (and I don't ask this as a generic pwnage but, instead, because I know the reviews do not exist)

EGM was confermed by an Editor at 1up...

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.GundamGuy0

What do you expect them to say... "our game is crap, don't buy it". :|

No they should just not say anything... they shouldn't respond to reviews...

Let the game speak for itself. The classy thing to do is just see what gamers and critics think once its released.

Most are rumors, play mag is the only confirmed one with a 9/10.

Many of my recent favorites scored below 7 here. I won't name them, because some of you would think I was daft. My point is, know thyself, and the ratings lose their meaning entirely. Fun is in the eye of the beholder.

donalbane

I love to bring up Lost Planet and Dead Rising. EGM underscored both of them. Not the end of the world.

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

Most are rumors, play mag is the only confirmed one with a 9/10.

FusionApex

He could be lieing... but... Link

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

E_x_i_l_e

Execpt according to some sources the Camera is broken, making it a fustrating game... hard to play... You know the same thing that kills Sonic...

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

From that blog:

"And if you want my side of the story, I will share a simple anecdote: Victoria's family, lead by my 83-year old grandfather in law, was able to pick up Lair in less than 5 inutes, to fly around with the dragon and to play the first mission of the game.That experience right there beats anything that the reviewers can say."

Haha. Hey cows, don't sweat it, your Grandpa will LOVE Lair!

dubvisions

It almost sounds like the laugh some gave Wii before it came out and took everything by storm. No, saying grandma or grandpa can play isn't the "coolest." But it does mean Sony is bring yet another title to capture the wide audience that Wii has.

Cows haven't exactly been pimping Lair for its family friendliness. In fact I'm pretty sure not one of them has ever said, before this, that it'll be cool that Lair is so accessible that it also grabs an audience of casual gamers. I'm sorry, I just can't help from laughing after all the trash cows talked especially when it came to Lair. I mean seriously, they hyped this game to the extreme. And now, surprise, it doesn't seem like all it was cracked up to be. I'd fully expect a similar reaction from cows if Bioshock or Mass Effect got these kinds of reviews, so let's not be hypocritical.

This is beyond sad.

"buh..buh..give it a chance"...begging for mercy and asking for forgiveness...wow, just...wow.

This is beyond sad.

"buh..buh..give it a chance"...begging for mercy and asking for forgiveness...wow, just...wow.

ToScA-

This also verifys that there are bad reviews...

[QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

GundamGuy0

Execpt according to some sources the Camera is broken, making it a fustrating game... hard to play... You know the same thing that kills Sonic...

A lot of things kill Sonic.

I could understand if broken controls would be responsible for close to 1/10, but not 25% of the review when there's a whole lotmore to the game they seem to refuse to acknowledge.

[QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

GundamGuy0

Execpt according to some sources the Camera is broken, making it a fustrating game... hard to play... You know the same thing that kills Sonic...

What I've seen from the game videos, the camera's fine ._.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

Pariah_001

Execpt according to some sources the Camera is broken, making it a fustrating game... hard to play... You know the same thing that kills Sonic...

A lot of things kill Sonic.

I could understand if broken controls would be responsible for close to 1/10, but not 25% of the review when there's a whole more to the game.

Broken Controls, Bad ground segments, Broken Camera... that's what i've heard, adds up to a game that could have been so much more.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]

This is beyond sad.

"buh..buh..give it a chance"...begging for mercy and asking for forgiveness...wow, just...wow.

GundamGuy0

This also verifys that there are bad reviews...

Sure does.

I knew from the moment I saw this that it wasn't going to deliver. My hopes are, and have always been, Heavenly Sword as the leading PS3 title this year.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

E_x_i_l_e

Execpt according to some sources the Camera is broken, making it a fustrating game... hard to play... You know the same thing that kills Sonic...

What I've seen from the game videos, the camera's fine ._.

It was jerking all over the place in the Gameplay video i saw... but hey who knows, just going with what my sources tell me.

Once the pro sites see the new grass, the reviews are likely to soar. Grass makes the game.sonicare

lol, what's funny is I think these developers were listing to whinny Xbots on this site. Everytime Lair was mentioned Lems would say how crappy the graphics looked and specifically even pointed out the crappy grass.

It's funny that at the end of the day the graphics will be fine....it's the gameplay that might suffer because of their stuborness to allow the normal control scheme to be used.

Its not even like the game was rushed. 2 1/2 years is alot of dev time.

This is beyond sad.

"buh..buh..give it a chance"...begging for mercy and asking for forgiveness...wow, just...wow.

ToScA-

I know. My first thought after reading that blogentry was, "wow, that really doesn't inspire any confidence at all." Seriously if I was a PS3 owner looking forward to Lair, and I read that, my faith in the game would drop even if I didn't care at all about the EGM review. That's just a poor showing.

It was jerking all over the place in the Gameplay video i saw... but hey who knows, just going with what my sources tell me.

GundamGuy0

just have to ask no disrespect.....what exact are these "sources"? You make it sound like you know developers or these editors personally.

Its not even like the game was rushed. 2 1/2 years is alot of dev time.

Bread_or_Decide

Which is why the controls should not be a problem. They should have tested the reaction to new players and not devs who have been using the controls for over two years. A mistake this big is unacceptable (assuming if what they are saying is true, that being the controls are bad)

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Its not even like the game was rushed. 2 1/2 years is alot of dev time.

darthogre

Which is why the controls should not be a problem. They should have tested the reaction to new players and not devs who have been using the controls for over two years. A mistake this big is unacceptable (assuming if what they are saying is true, that being the controls are bad)

The controls are spot on, just the reviewers so far haven't given enough time devoted to the learning curve that comes with motion sensitive based games.. like stuff on the Wii o_O

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="E_x_i_l_e"]

People that complain about the controls, even though they're well done are just looking for something to complain about..

Amazing graphics, smooth animations, solid framerate, in 1080p glory, huge environments, big battles, etc

Yeah, I know I haven't played the game, but I won't just play it for a couple hours trying to get used to the controls and give it up and complain about it. Lair seems fun to me, I understand where the devs are coming from

Pariah_001

Execpt according to some sources the Camera is broken, making it a fustrating game... hard to play... You know the same thing that kills Sonic...

A lot of things kill Sonic.

I could understand if broken controls would be responsible for close to 1/10, but not 25% of the review when there's a whole lotmore to the game they seem to refuse to acknowledge.

[QUOTE="norfair_dweller"]The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.REVENGEotSITH

The thing is - these are the same guys that refused to listen to comments and criticisms of the game as it was previewed during development (long before released). This is one reason why I am still holding out hope for Too Human. Denis Dyack may be a crybaby, but the thing is - he is at least listening to the criticisms of his game. Hopefully, he will take these things, go back to his development team, and try to improve on what people are complaining about AND MAKE THE GAME BETTER.

Lair, Shadowrun, Crackdown, Motorstorm, etc.ALL had criticisms of their games before they were released. The developers chose to ignore those criticisms and release the game as they saw fit and THEN they turn around and cry that they got bad reviews??? Terrible.

what are you tallking about....... show me some links of criticisms of Lair and Motorstorm long before release.........

The only thing worse than a promising game getting bad reviews is a developer refusing to believe those reviews are their fault and that the reviewers are idiots.norfair_dweller

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

Its not even like the game was rushed. 2 1/2 years is alot of dev time.

E_x_i_l_e

Which is why the controls should not be a problem. They should have tested the reaction to new players and not devs who have been using the controls for over two years. A mistake this big is unacceptable (assuming if what they are saying is true, that being the controls are bad)

The controls are spot on, just the reviewers so far haven't given enough time devoted to the learning curve that comes with motion sensitive based games.. like stuff on the Wii o_O

I don't think it was so much that they couldn't get used to it, but rather that they just didn't find it very effective or fun. I read that one of the EGM reviews said that it's annoying and tiring to have to move your hands around constantly while you're flying, especially since you fly throughout most of the game. I can see how it would get tiring, personally. I don't even feel like sitting upright when I game, much less swing a controller around all the time.

[QUOTE="Staccat0"][QUOTE="h575309"]

no matter how any mgs in the future is reviewed i will buy it as long as kojima is heading the project... i trust him to make a great game more than i trust a review.... every one of those games is amazing in every department.... i could careless about some reviewers nitpicking

REVENGEotSITH

I'm glad someone in the gaming community has the guts to buy sequels to games and ignore the flaws they contain... You sir, are what is right with our industry.

And what is wrong with our industry. So, you say its ok to pay $60 for something that is trash? Shouldn't we be expecting high quality games for our $60? Shouldn't we demand that games be bug-free when shipped? So you are saying that we should go out and spend $60 just because it says Gears of War on the cover? This is why they call you guys Lemmings.....

there fixed that for u......

Now, I'm not saying that MGS4 is going to be trash - I'm hoping it comes to the 360 from what I've seen of it. But to just blindly say "he has the guts to buy sequels to games and ignore the flaws they contain" just is so wrong. What you just said IS THE CRUX OF WHAT IS WRONG with the gaming industry. Crank out crap. Crappy sequels. Crappy ports. They'll buy it!

this, I agree with...... especially with Madden

and they put new vegetation in the game...furtherfan

YES!

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and they put new vegetation in the game...Bill_McBlumpkin

YES!

i'll buy this game even if it gets a 7.0, i want to play it so bad, it looks fun, i can't get it until after my holiday tho, 1 week and im going magaluf for 2 weeks yey. jonesy1911

What if it get's less then that? Not saying it will, just saying Killzone was a huge flop... you never know with games.

I'll reserve judgement until the GS review along with several others is up.

I could care less, I'm getting this game either way. I think it's all about your personal tastes so with the controls for this game, I'll experience them for myself and then judge what I think.Kekira

Same here, with some games I care about the reviews... but for most... I don't...