LBP Moderations Exaggerated - Only 0.5% of LBP Levels Moderated

dude, 0.5% with that many users is quite a considerable sum. 

and it doesn't matter how many, it's the principle behind it. some of the 'infringements' are so borderline its not even funny. they're waving the censor stick around way too much imo - what's the harm in satire? it's not illegal for Family Guy to rip in to another IP for the purpose of satire - why should they be deleting levels that satirize other popular IPs?

it's ridiculous imo. 

and thats for starters, expect it to go up.

ANy level thats not a sony franchise is going down. so much for creative freedom.

200 levels is a lot >_>Jandurin

Especially when a good chunk of them were very good levels. Copyright issues my ass.

"According to Sam over at the LittleBigPlanet Workshop"

its a ps3 website and its comming from a random LBP fan forum. we all know how figures (especially %s) can be fiddled or just plain made up and quoting a forum? im calling bull**** on this one my freind.

read the comments, all the commenters  call this one lies aswel. RELIABLE sauces people!! not hearsay and forum chatter. 

i am a huge lbp fan...but this was just stupid...and out of the .05% they deleated were quite a few of the top levels that were created...

But i am sure now that people know this is going to happen a lot more new high end levels will come out(not remakes of copywrighted material)...it is just stupid they totally wiped out all those peoples hard work...i see taking them off line but totally deleation was just dumb.

If it's over copyrighted material there's not a whole lot that MM or Sony can do but delete them, it's kind of obvious...0bscurity

If it's over copyrighted material there's not a whole lot that MM or Sony can do but delete them, it's kind of obvious...0bscurity

dude the figures are bogus anyhow. 

If it's over copyrighted material there's not a whole lot that MM or Sony can do but delete them, it's kind of obvious...0bscurity

it's called SATIRE mate. copywright laws DO NOT apply for things like this. nobody is profiting from the user created mash-ups of other IPs and none of them are close enough to the other IPs to be considered INFRINGEMENT.

should brush up on copywright law before using it in an argument :P 

really wish this game was also on pc, the modding community would have a blast with this, and their would be no crap to deal wiht like these moderations and stuffkidcool189

this game was meant for PC, media molecule have always done PC titles.

thanks Sony for buying it up and turning it into what it is today. 

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]really wish this game was also on pc, the modding community would have a blast with this, and their would be no crap to deal wiht like these moderations and stuff3picuri3

this game was meant for PC, media molecule have always done PC titles.

People were literally taking pictures of sprites from copyrighted games and using them in their levels. I don't know why they thought they were going to get away with that.Teufelhuhn

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that. 

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country. 

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds. 

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation. 

thank Sony for buying it up and turning it into what it is today. 

3picuri3

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[QUOTE="kidcool189"]really wish this game was also on pc, the modding community would have a blast with this, and their would be no crap to deal wiht like these moderations and stuffTeufelhuhn

this game was meant for PC, media molecule have always done PC titles.

Rad Doll Kung-Fu says hello.  

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=16655 

[QUOTE="0bscurity"]If it's over copyrighted material there's not a whole lot that MM or Sony can do but delete them, it's kind of obvious...3picuri3

it's called SATIRE mate. copywright laws DO NOT apply for things like this. nobody is profiting from the user created mash-ups of other IPs and none of them are close enough to the other IPs to be considered INFRINGEMENT.

should brush up on copywright law before using it in an argument :P

Recreating a level is not satire, people don't go around repainting the monalisa and call it satire do they? Unless you can apropriatly file this under satire, or a parody wich in some cases the levels would be hard to defend as either one. There is always a way around copyright laws but Sony and MM don't have the time or money to really wory about that.

considering the content no one would be "Charged" with copyright infringment just asked to remove the content before more serious legal action is taken if they refuse to do so, and MM is hosting these mods and selling the game for a profit so... 

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]People were literally taking pictures of sprites from copyrighted games and using them in their levels. I don't know why they thought they were going to get away with that.3picuri3

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that. 

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country. 

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds. 

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation. 

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[QUOTE="0bscurity"]If it's over copyrighted material there's not a whole lot that MM or Sony can do but delete them, it's kind of obvious...Jynxzor

it's called SATIRE mate. copywright laws DO NOT apply for things like this. nobody is profiting from the user created mash-ups of other IPs and none of them are close enough to the other IPs to be considered INFRINGEMENT.

should brush up on copywright law before using it in an argument :P

Recreating a level is not satire, people don't go around repainting the monalisa and call it satire do they? Unless you can apropriatly file this under satire, or a parody wich in some cases the levels would be hard to defend as either one. There is always a way around copyright laws but Sony and MM don't have the time or money to really wory about that.

i'm not going to continue this line of argument until some of you read up on infringement and what it actually means. i mean no disrespect, but some of you are confused as to what exactly constitutes a violation of IP under copywright law.

if you do a 1:1 recreating, or even something really close, then yes - you're right. but with LBP you can't do that, everything is exaggerated and looks and plays differently than anything you'd try to recreate.

email a trial copywright lawyer and link him the story re: LBP and see what he says :) 

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]People were literally taking pictures of sprites from copyrighted games and using them in their levels. I don't know why they thought they were going to get away with that.Teufelhuhn

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that. 

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country. 

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds. 

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation. 

Don't even try. That guy obviously knows more about copyright laws than Sony. I mean, it's not like Sony owns movie and music studios... What could they possibly know about copyright laws? Not more than a user on Gamespot that's for sure.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]People were literally taking pictures of sprites from copyrighted games and using them in their levels. I don't know why they thought they were going to get away with that.Teufelhuhn

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that. 

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country. 

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds. 

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation. 

no it doesn't - not in the least. if this was a tool set that let you accurately recreate other games then you'd have a point - it doesn't. none of these levels are close enough to constitute IP violation. like i said, email this to someone in law. 

this is far more about Sony trying to keep other IP out of the game than it is about them trying to keep other companies happy.  

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that. 

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country. 

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds. 

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation. 

SigSrc

Don't even try. That guy obviously knows more about copyright laws than Sony. I mean, it's not like Sony owns movie and music studios... What could they possibly know about copyright laws? Not more than a user on Gamespot that's for sure.

looks like somebody made a new account to join the discussion :) welcome.

i know enough about copywright law and the video game industry to realize when someone is using the law as an excuse to restrict content. this has happened before, will happen again - but go ahead mate, keep thinking this is about Sony trying to be nice to other companies and prevent lawsuits. do so while ignoring all the other instances of this that have happened with other games where no legal action is ever taken. doesn't matter to me. 

If it's over copyrighted material there's not a whole lot that MM or Sony can do but delete them, it's kind of obvious...0bscurity

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that.

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country.

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds.

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation.

SigSrc

Don't even try. That guy obviously knows more about copyright laws than Sony. I mean, it's not like Sony owns movie and music studios... What could they possibly know about copyright laws? Not more than a user on Gamespot that's for sure.

Actully it isn't really a matter of laws, its a matter of money.

I doubt more then a handful of those stages could possibly be considerd illegal. But many of those could make companies bring Sony too legal Court, eventhough Sony would win most of those its still not worth it. The time used into defending user created stages could be much better used on other places.

Simply put, Sony don't want any copyright issues so they are being very careful.

Also Sony (Especially Sony BMG) is possibly the greatest Anti-Piracy spokesman in the World. Wouldn't look good if they where brought too court to often.  

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The content is being hosted by a company that sells the game for 60 bucks a pop. That changes things considerably. omgimba

Don't even try. That guy obviously knows more about copyright laws than Sony. I mean, it's not like Sony owns movie and music studios... What could they possibly know about copyright laws? Not more than a user on Gamespot that's for sure.

Actully it isn't really a matter of laws, its a matter of money.

I doubt more then a handful of those stages could possibly be considerd illegal. But many of those could make companies bring Sony too legal Court, eventhough Sony would win most of those its still not worth it. The time used into defending user created stages could be much better used on other places.

Simply put, Sony don't want any copyright issues so they are being very careful.

Also Sony (Especially Sony BMG) is possibly the greatest Anti-Piracy spokesman in the World. Wouldn't look good if they where brought too court to often.  

The problem is, money IS being made off the use of copyrighted material. People PAY money to buy a game and, much like youtube, people ONLY buy this game for the levels made by users. So, whilst individual users are not making money, MM is and, as such, it could be argued that copyright laws are eing broken. 

For example:

Dave: Dude, did you hear about that LBP level where you play as Snake from metal gear??

John: Dude, NO WAY!!!

Dave: Yeah Dude, it's amazing, you even fight metal gear at the end

John: God damn, I gotta go buy myself a copy of this game

And there is the problem and why Sony / MM HAVE to be very careful

Either way basically this whole thing was blown out of proportion like SW tends to do with new news. I play LBP everyday and havnt seen a drastic change in the online levels. And as for people claiming that the only good levels were the .5% deleted, that is a bunch of crap. I can't tell you how many crappy levels I have played that had the batmobile in it or tons of other copyrighted IPs. A good level is good because the levels are creative and the platforming/puzzle solving is fun. Good level designers arent gonna run out of ideas or not make good levels because the vehicle they use can't be called the batmobile or the level can't take place in the batcave. Nostalgic levels can be fun but tend to be nothing more then nostolga most of the time. Besides a simple name change and avoiding of cut and pasting symbols will allow the levels to remain there.

:lol: cow's trying to spin the deletion of 200 USER CREATED levels.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

What is there to spin, if 200 levels only equals .5% of the total online levels available do some math to figure out how many levels LBP players have available to play. It wasnt all because of copyrighted material but also because of innappropriate material. You have no clue what levels were deleted, and I know the levels I hearted are still there.

Copyright issues and obsene materiels?

If i want to put a coke can in my level or a chainsaw hanging down from a wall that shouldnt be modded.

Because thats for you, and even online you should be able to flag it for 18+ or wait....online play isnt rated by the ESRB.

But yah, 0.5% is quite alot. Copyright should be no problem in a level.

and thats for starters, expect it to go up.

ANy level thats not a sony franchise is going down. so much for creative freedom.

-General_Ram-

It isn't really Sony's fault. If someone thinks that an user made level in LBP violates their copyrights and they'll call to Sony. What are you going to do? Sony doesn't really have options. I think it sucks, but it's life. 

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Don't even try. That guy obviously knows more about copyright laws than Sony. I mean, it's not like Sony owns movie and music studios... What could they possibly know about copyright laws? Not more than a user on Gamespot that's for sure.

thetruespin

Actully it isn't really a matter of laws, its a matter of money.

I doubt more then a handful of those stages could possibly be considerd illegal. But many of those could make companies bring Sony too legal Court, eventhough Sony would win most of those its still not worth it. The time used into defending user created stages could be much better used on other places.

Simply put, Sony don't want any copyright issues so they are being very careful.

Also Sony (Especially Sony BMG) is possibly the greatest Anti-Piracy spokesman in the World. Wouldn't look good if they where brought too court to often.  

The problem is, money IS being made off the use of copyrighted material. People PAY money to buy a game and, much like youtube, people ONLY buy this game for the levels made by users. So, whilst individual users are not making money, MM is and, as such, it could be argued that copyright laws are eing broken. 

For example:

Dave: Dude, did you hear about that LBP level where you play as Snake from metal gear??

John: Dude, NO WAY!!!

Dave: Yeah Dude, it's amazing, you even fight metal gear at the end

John: God damn, I gotta go buy myself a copy of this game

And there is the problem and why Sony / MM HAVE to be very careful

lol.

that is not how copywright trial law works :) sorry mate.

and from what i've read Sony isn't censoring any 1st/2nd party levels...

this is all about Sony trying to cut out competitor free advertising and exposure through their game, and nothing to do with copywright infringement.

it is censorship through the guise / excuse of possible infringement. 

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]People were literally taking pictures of sprites from copyrighted games and using them in their levels. I don't know why they thought they were going to get away with that.Teufelhuhn

you too should read up on copywright law :) literally taking a picture of something and using it satirically is not a violation of IP. MM and Sony are doing this to a) play nice, and b) keep non Sony 1st/3rd party IP out of the game... simple as that. 

unless you're recreating a level bit for bit with stunning accuracy and trying to make money from it none of these violations would ever enter any legal circuit in any country. 

one of the most popular mods for TF2 is the Super Mario Kart level, officially hosted by fileplanet - rife with actual pixel for pixel images from the game. never has a legal claim been made. it also uses sounds. 

you have to do a hell of a lot more than using an image from a game to be charged with copywright, especially given the cartoony and comical nature of LBP - it's clear they aren't trying to recreate for profit, but to pay homage in a cutesy way. something that would never be considered an IP violation. 

I think it's absolutely hilarious people are getting really upset over this whole thing, everybody should have known this was going to happen, there's too many stipulations in the gaming industries, and i'm sure they don't want to go to court over really really dumb stuff.  Just enjoy the game for what it is. 

and thats for starters, expect it to go up.

ANy level thats not a sony franchise is going down. so much for creative freedom.

-General_Ram-

How is copying levels from Mario and Halo Creative? :P