Left 4 Dead wins "Best Shooter" and "Best Multiplayer Game"

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#1 FerdMertz
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Sorry if there has already been a thread on this but......

Last night on G4TV's X-Play Left 4 Dead beat out Gears of War 2, Resistance 2 and COD: WAW (among others) for both Best Shooter and Best Multiplayer Game of 2008.

So I guess all you guys that said Left 4 Dead was an "over-priced mod" can put that in your pipe and smoke it. I'm sure there will be some that laugh at X-Play's credability but I have been watching X-play every night since they re-tooled the show and they seem to be pretty spot on and in line with other reviewers. My only real complaint with X-Plays reviews are that they grade on a 1-5 scale which cancels out the option of a 9/10 and so on (sometimes a game that doesn't deserve a 8/10 shouldn't get a 10/10 by default).

Left 4 Dead lost GOTY to Fable 2 and lost out on Best Innovation to LittleBigPLanet.

Congratulations to Valve.

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Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

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Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

Inger1

Yeah, I see what your saying but IMO both Gears 2 and COD: WAW had vanallia, been there done that SP modes so at best that would leave R2 as shooter of the year but that being said, single player or not I've had more fun and spent more time playing L4D than the other three put together and I think that's the real point.

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dot dot dot.. where did team fortress 2 go.. hello?
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#5 Devour2Survive
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I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?
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Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

Inger1

THIS.

best shooter?! :lol:

the game's wicked fun though.

not awesome for me, cause i was never "awed" by the game.

still hella fun.

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I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?Devour2Survive
it's the hype before the quality. tbh.
[QUOTE="Inger1"]

Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

FerdMertz

Yeah, I see what your saying but IMO both Gears 2 and COD: WAW had vanallia, been there done that SP modes so at best that would leave R2 as shooter of the year but that being said, single player or not I've had more fun and spent more time playing L4D than the other three put together and I think that's the real point.

oh i'm sorry.. i didn't know YOUR play time is what matters :?
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[QUOTE="FerdMertz"][QUOTE="Inger1"]

Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

Yeah, I see what your saying but IMO both Gears 2 and COD: WAW had vanallia, been there done that SP modes so at best that would leave R2 as shooter of the year but that being said, single player or not I've had more fun and spent more time playing L4D than the other three put together and I think that's the real point.

Resistance 2 had the worst single player versus Gears of War 2.....if anything Gears 2 should win for its SP more so than Resistance 2... Resistance 2 on the other hand is probably the only shooter that could run with L4D in terms of MP
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#9 death919
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I dunno it's good but saying best shooter I would have to disagree on, I mean you fight the exact same enemies over and over and over and over again, then occasionally there will be 1 of a new enemy like a tank or a watch but generally you're fighting the exact same enemy which takes away from the game IMO. But it is still good, but I dunno, after 45-60 mins of playing I'm usually done for that session, it doesn't feel like it's got the depth that I can really get into it.
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#10 joopyme
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[QUOTE="FerdMertz"][QUOTE="Inger1"]

Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

jg4xchamp

Yeah, I see what your saying but IMO both Gears 2 and COD: WAW had vanallia, been there done that SP modes so at best that would leave R2 as shooter of the year but that being said, single player or not I've had more fun and spent more time playing L4D than the other three put together and I think that's the real point.

Resistance 2 had the worst single player versus Gears of War 2.....if anything Gears 2 should win for its SP more so than Resistance 2... Resistance 2 on the other hand is probably the only shooter that could run with L4D in terms of MP

how can you say worst, if you're only comparing two games?

res2 sp is ok, mind you. but yes, it is mediocre at best.

on the other hand, i'm leaning towards res2 MP more than left4dead MP.

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#11 joopyme
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L4D=Lack 4 Depth.
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#12 FerdMertz
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[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"] it's the hype before the quality. tbh. [QUOTE="FerdMertz"][QUOTE="Inger1"]

Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

expanded

Yeah, I see what your saying but IMO both Gears 2 and COD: WAW had vanallia, been there done that SP modes so at best that would leave R2 as shooter of the year but that being said, single player or not I've had more fun and spent more time playing L4D than the other three put together and I think that's the real point.

oh i'm sorry.. i didn't know YOUR play time is what matters :?

I was just giving an example of how the folks at X-Play came to this conclusion, and that being said obviously I'm not the only one that feels that way.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FerdMertz"]

Yeah, I see what your saying but IMO both Gears 2 and COD: WAW had vanallia, been there done that SP modes so at best that would leave R2 as shooter of the year but that being said, single player or not I've had more fun and spent more time playing L4D than the other three put together and I think that's the real point.

joopyme

Resistance 2 had the worst single player versus Gears of War 2.....if anything Gears 2 should win for its SP more so than Resistance 2... Resistance 2 on the other hand is probably the only shooter that could run with L4D in terms of MP

how can you say worst, if you're only comparing two games?

res2 sp is ok, mind you. but yes, it is mediocre at best.

on the other hand, i'm leaning towards res2 MP more than left4dead MP.

fair enough...as for why i say the worst...because IMO out of the FPS games i played Bad COmpany Farcry 2 were better SP games than Resistance 2.... Resistance 2 is the best competitive MP game this year IMO though....maybe tied with L4D.
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#14 BobHipJames
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L4D is an extended mod. It doesn't deserve to be on anyone's GOTY lists, let alone win GOTY in any category. This is my opinion and I don't know why you'd throw XPlay's at me to try to convince me. I don't just cock an eyebrow at their credibility any more, I just about laugh.
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[QUOTE="joopyme"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Resistance 2 had the worst single player versus Gears of War 2.....if anything Gears 2 should win for its SP more so than Resistance 2... Resistance 2 on the other hand is probably the only shooter that could run with L4D in terms of MPjg4xchamp

how can you say worst, if you're only comparing two games?

res2 sp is ok, mind you. but yes, it is mediocre at best.

on the other hand, i'm leaning towards res2 MP more than left4dead MP.

fair enough...as for why i say the worst...because IMO out of the FPS games i played Bad COmpany Farcry 2 were better SP games than Resistance 2.... Resistance 2 is the best competitive MP game this year IMO though....maybe tied with L4D.

I loved R2's MP too. But I kinda liked the SP as well, but it definetly wasn't the best.

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L4D is an extended mod. It doesn't deserve to be on anyone's GOTY lists, let alone win GOTY in any category. This is my opinion and I don't know why you'd throw XPlay's at me to try to convince me. I don't just cock an eyebrow at their credibility any more, I just about laugh.BobHipJames

So prior to X-Play awarding L4D these awards, would you care to give an example of why X-Play's credability is laughable?

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L4D, best shooter? No, just no. Multiplayer I'll agree, it's fantastic. But why shooter? There's just so much more out there.
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#18 -Sniper99-
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Well it's too bad that you need online to appreciate the full game really. It's on the top of my Christmas wish list, I've yet to play it other than the demo:)
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[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]L4D is an extended mod. It doesn't deserve to be on anyone's GOTY lists, let alone win GOTY in any category. This is my opinion and I don't know why you'd throw XPlay's at me to try to convince me. I don't just cock an eyebrow at their credibility any more, I just about laugh.FerdMertz

So prior to X-Play awarding L4D these awards, would you care to give an example of why X-Play's credability is laughable?

Um....Fable 2 won GOTY. Why the hell do I need a specific example?
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I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?Devour2Survive

If you simplify anything to that degree, you can make anything sound repetitive.

In my view, Left 4 Dead is a great game. It encourages cooperation better than just about any other title I've played, without consigning people into particular roles. And while it may have a limited amount of content, the AI system makes every game different enough that there's always tension in each game, because you never know where the next attack is coming from. And Versus is a total blast to play with others.

It just about perfectly captures the sort of emotions that one ought to feel in a zombie game, creating an omnipresent feeling of dread, and instilling in the players a desperation to survive the odds.

A fine choice for those awards.

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[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?sonicmj1

If you simplify anything to that degree, you can make anything sound repetitive.

In my view, Left 4 Dead is a great game. It encourages cooperation better than just about any other title I've played, without consigning people into particular roles. And while it may have a limited amount of content, the AI system makes every game different enough that there's always tension in each game, because you never know where the next attack is coming from. And Versus is a total blast to play with others.

It just about perfectly captures the sort of emotions that one ought to feel in a zombie game, creating an omnipresent feeling of dread, and instilling in the players a desperation to survive the odds.

A fine choice for those awards.

Dread and desperation? No. The best impression I got from the demo is that it manages to occasionally throw a hell of a lot of zombies at you that throw you off your guard or make sure to exploit people who wander off on their own. All this game requires you to do as far as teamwork is stick together and kill stuff. That isn't a very hard maneuver to pull off. See teammate? Follow him. See zombie? Shoot. Zombie rushing you? Attack. Teammate under attack? Set priority to zombies trying to kill him. Wowwwww. This is some groundbreaking stuff here. And for the record, I like class-based co-op gameplay. Shotgun or SMG? Auto shotgun or auto-rifle? Please. Talk about a lack of diversity. It really didn't draw any emotion out of me TBH. It bored me.
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Well if we think along the lines of logic for any game of the year award, one of the biggest criteria is 'innovation'. Gears 2 and Resistance 2 were the best shooter sequals this year but Im guessing having '2' in its title in the end killed their chances. L4D on the other hand is a brand new ip with pretty innovative features. Still i'll argue that its innovation only comes during multiplayer modes, but these game critics probably cant make that distinction. =D
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Good.

Left 4 Dead is pure win.

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[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?BobHipJames

If you simplify anything to that degree, you can make anything sound repetitive.

In my view, Left 4 Dead is a great game. It encourages cooperation better than just about any other title I've played, without consigning people into particular roles. And while it may have a limited amount of content, the AI system makes every game different enough that there's always tension in each game, because you never know where the next attack is coming from. And Versus is a total blast to play with others.

It just about perfectly captures the sort of emotions that one ought to feel in a zombie game, creating an omnipresent feeling of dread, and instilling in the players a desperation to survive the odds.

A fine choice for those awards.

Dread and desperation? No. The best impression I got from the demo is that it manages to occasionally throw a hell of a lot of zombies at you that throw you off your guard or make sure to exploit people who wander off on their own. All this game requires you to do as far as teamwork is stick together and kill stuff. That isn't a very hard maneuver to pull off. See teammate? Follow him. See zombie? Shoot. Zombie rushing you? Attack. Teammate under attack? Set priority to zombies trying to kill him. Wowwwww. This is some groundbreaking stuff here. And for the record, I like class-based co-op gameplay. Shotgun or SMG? Auto shotgun or auto-rifle? Please. Talk about a lack of diversity. It really didn't draw any emotion out of me TBH. It bored me.

Sorry you feel that way.

Naturally, a team that sticks together will do better. And once you get a good sense of the tactics (which are a bit more complex than what you describe), you can handle a lot of situations. That's what the higher difficulty levels are for.

But you have to be on your toes. If your group isn't working on sticking together and prioritizing key threats, then boss infected can start to really screw things up by splitting up the group, confusing and disorienting players. Especially on Expert, where the challenge ramps up really fast, even small hordes of zombies are a huge threat if not handled promptly.

And unlike most class-free co-op shooters, one player absolutely cannot handle everything. Every enemy in the game, and most mechanics, are designed to ensure that a group that plays together and works together will survive, while a group that doesn't play as a team will be killed off.

That's what matters. Weapon variety and stuff may sound nice on box art, but what purpose do tons of weapons serve? What would defined classes lend to the game? It's about fighting an overwhelming zombie horde alongside your friends, and working together to make it to the end. The experience of that is unlike any other game I have ever played.

Sorry if it didn't click for you, but I enjoy it every time I play it, and I expect to continue to enjoy it for a long time to come.

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It looks to me like you can get the jist of L4D through the demo. Looks like a schizophrenic mess with not enough character/weapon variation and too many arcade aspects. I'll wait for resident evil 5.

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It looks to me like you can get the jist of L4D through the demo. Looks like a schizophrenic mess with not enough character/weapon variation and too many arcade aspects. I'll wait for resident evil 5.

dc337

You definitely can get the jist of L4D through the demo.

I'm curious what you mean when you call the game schizophrenic, though.

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I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?Devour2Survive
its great, its challenging also.
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yes but look at the sales for Gears 2, R2, and COD:WaW
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yes but look at the sales for Gears 2, R2, and COD:WaWnaruto7777
Yes because popularity=quality, oh wait nvm FFVII is all the evidence I need to prove that rhetoric completely wrong.
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[QUOTE="naruto7777"]yes but look at the sales for Gears 2, R2, and COD:WaWMasterC5
Yes because popularity=quality, oh wait nvm FFVII is all the evidence I need to prove that rhetoric completely wrong.

Exactly. In a year from now almost noone will be playing these games. However the L4D community will probably still be active with the mods and additional content from valve.

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[QUOTE="MasterC5"][QUOTE="naruto7777"]yes but look at the sales for Gears 2, R2, and COD:WaWbladeeagle

Yes because popularity=quality, oh wait nvm FFVII is all the evidence I need to prove that rhetoric completely wrong.

Exactly. In a year from now almost noone will be playing these games. However the L4D community will probably still be active with the mods and additional content from valve.

Have you seen Dead Before Dawn? that custom campaign looks nice. Besides I remember people here bashing TF2 for it's lack of maps a year ago, look how that turned out..
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It looks to me like you can get the jist of L4D through the demo. Looks like a schizophrenic mess with not enough character/weapon variation and too many arcade aspects. I'll wait for resident evil 5.

dc337

The beauty of Left 4 Dead is its simplicity. It doesn't pretend to be more than a pure arcade experience. All the characters perform the same and the weapons selection so kept to a minimum very deliberately. The focus is on twitch shooting and survival.

The AI directory does an excellent job of making each gameplay session different than before by placing pick-ups and infected in different spots than before.

And the versus mode feels as fresh and innovative as Splinter Cell's when it first came out.

I think back to the exchange between Louis and Bill at the end of the opening cutscene. Louis is ecstatic about surviving their ascent to the roof. Bill jars him back to reality when he says, "We just crossed the street. We'll celebrate when we out of town."

That embodies the spirit of the game. Just when you think you can breathe for a bit, the AI director will throw one or a combination of things to keep you on your toes and scrambling to the next safe house.

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#33 Guybrush_3
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I definitly agree with best shooter. It's a tough call between it and SSBB for best multiplayer.
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Wow, so many people bashing L4D. I think it's a great game personally.

So much hate towards the game...looks like the game is very good after all.

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#35 -Shrubs-
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Good. L4D deserves it. If you're unable to get into the game because of its simplicity, its really your loss. Cramming a game full of different weapons and enemies is fine, but once you've seen them all that appeal is gone, and all that's left is how well the game plays. I imagine I'll be playing L4D for years to come, its an instant classic imo.
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dot dot dot.. where did team fortress 2 go.. hello?expanded

Team Fortress 2 came out in 2007. :|

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[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]L4D is an extended mod. It doesn't deserve to be on anyone's GOTY lists, let alone win GOTY in any category. This is my opinion and I don't know why you'd throw XPlay's at me to try to convince me. I don't just cock an eyebrow at their credibility any more, I just about laugh.FerdMertz

So prior to X-Play awarding L4D these awards, would you care to give an example of why X-Play's credability is laughable?

Actually, the irony of a cow complaining about this is laughable...He's just jealous because it won't be on PS3...

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I stopped watching X-Play when they declared FFXII the best in the series and said that the battle system was the best of any of them. :lol:
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#39 Virus214
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Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

Inger1
I PERSONALLY think that Far Cry 2 should get the " best shooter " award. that game is flat out AMAZING !
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#40 imprezawrx500
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good to see l4d is the most fun I've had all year in a mp game but I wouldn't quite call it shooter of the year whe its not a whole lot of fun playing with bots, but then there haven't really been any big new shooters this year, just sequels.
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#41 imprezawrx500
Member since 2004 • 19187 Posts
I don't get the appeal for this game. Shooting down countless zombies doesn't get old now?Devour2Survive
but shooting human char actors doesn't get old? or playing endless death matches? it not the zombies that make l4d awesome but the awesome coop gameplay and enemies you can't predict. as they are never in the same place twice
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#42 kozzy1234
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Good to see imo, as Left4Dead is my fav game of the year to.

The coop gameplay is amazing, the atmsophere is good and the AI director is fantastic.

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#43 mr_mozilla
Member since 2006 • 2381 Posts

Went to the right address imo. Yeah it can get old after a while, but what game doesn't? Should we just judge games based on the amount of content and replay value ..why not just give all the awards to WoW then, since people spend thousands of hours in playing it, it has to be the best game ever, right?

A lot of devs like Beth just dump massive amounts of content into the game without much thought, Valve on the other hand took a different approach with L4D, everything in the game has a purpose, even the tiniest details are well thought out and polished to extremes. It's like comparing a bus ride to a rollercoaster, yeah sure the bus ride lasts longer, but which is more fun?

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#44 AGMing
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Its certainly(IMO) the Best Multiplayer Game this gen... but best shooter?

I think a stronger SP portion is necessary for it to be best shooter...AWESOME multiplayer tho

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agree completly, its by far the most fun multiplayer game but definitely not the best overall shooter this year.
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#45 Hewkii
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...what are the supposed contenders for "best shooter"?
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#46 Segaswirl1
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Well deserved (IMO), it's a great game.
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#47 MarloStanfield
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fable 2? seriously? XPlay sounds like the worst tv show ever.
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#48 skrat_01
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Xplay sucks. But that is a nice result. Gears is another sequal, even if it ups the ante, same with resistance (though I find its design a bit uninspiring). New IPs, interesting design. FTW