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#101 ProductNumber49
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The 360 still has better games? NO?
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#102 TIE_Elite_Pilot
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I'm glad to see you backed up your arguements with support instead of just listing a few features and writing "No" after each one...

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Indeed. He must be part of the debate team at his pre-school. Because he is clearly, a Master Debater.

on to the topic . . .

1. Yes. Halo 3 set records (and was good). Gears is phenominal. Gears 2 wll be better. Fable looks decent. Were's your record software sales (aka Lebaron???)

2. Yeah mine broke, you know what? It was fixed for free and let me focus on my Maya 3d model project that month, so it was no skin off my nose.

3. Multiplats look better on 360. You obviously haven't seen comparion screengrabs for GTA IV or CoD4. My roomate has the same TV as me, so in the same brand side by side comparison, in motion, 360 looks better.

4. Never got an HD-DVD drive, so this one is a moot point for me.

5. My DVD player . . . it uh, plays DVD's. enough said . . . oh and I use the $30 Phillips DVD player I got from wal-mart. my xbox is for games.

6. Never cared about Too Human, and neither did about 50% of 360 owners (or more. Have you seen all the Yes vs No threads on the 360 forum about this game? obviously not)

7. for what? a month. You know what sells more than PS3, Xbox360, and the Wii combined? Cigarettes. but those aren't much fun are they? (or ARE they?)

8. And what game company do you work for, HMMMMM?

9. This is just you defending your purchase.

5 rights DO make a right, and everything about this thread is wrong.

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#103 Shade340
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[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

(the real facts)

1. The Exlusives. NO.

Yes, banjo, gears 2, fable 2, gta4 DLC.. so yes, more than PS3 garbage lineup.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

Yes, original systems got RROD, some still do, but the quality of my consoel is just fine. Hows your firmware update error and disk read error going on your ps3?

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

All look and play better on the 360.

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

Still works, just nothign new coming out for it, whats your point on this again? Oh cause it lost they are all of a sudden broken? GFY

5. Your DVD player. NO.

Yes, my dvd player plays dvd movies.. OMG no way! dvd movies you say?

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

Was this supposed to be a big game? I didn't think so.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

Sales are still far ahead of PS3, and even recently outselling PS3...

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

Tonnes of potential growth. PS3 is tapped out, because developers don't want to make exclusive games for it since custom API programming for the cell chip is time consuming and not cost effective.. ie ps3 games will always lack because of that. You = fail.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Value.. lets see, yep, HD games for cheaper than the ps3. I'd say once again, you fail.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

Listen, i'm really sorry that you wasted your money on the ps3. It's really sad that you have to resort to this type of thread just to try and justify your purchase. What you need to realize is that ps3 is not living up to the epicness of the ps2, and that literally makes the ps3 a flop of epic proportions. With the new price cuts on the 360, and the new interface and community games, topped off with the superior XBL service, your ps3 has nothing on the 360. This may sound a little sharp for you, but dry away your tears, as it is just a sharp response to your fanboyism and hatred for the 360. If you really want to make yourself happy, sell your ps3 and buy the superior 360 console.

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http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Jeebuspotpie/ownage.jpg

Both epic posts!

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#104 ocinom
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Something to brag about hmmmm. Almost all the ps3 exclusives are going to 360 because companies love the system, or just because Too Human flopped means that the 360 is going down. Aside from a Home theater and MGS 4 cows have nothing against the 360.
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#105 Cooldude224
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Are you posting this pointless topic because you dont anything to play on your ps3?
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#106 Shade340
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[QUOTE="Shade340"]

Xbox 360 Top games lowest on the page is an 8.5

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1029&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&date_filter=all&sortdir=asc&official=all

PS3 Top games lowest on the page is an 8.0

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1028&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&date_filter=all&sortdir=asc&official=all

So the 360 has more better games.

Jack-o-Thompson

why the hell does GTA IV take up 2 spaces?

Even after that there are still more higher scoring ones.

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Something to brag about hmmmm. Almost all the ps3 exclusives are going to 360 because companies love the system, or just because Too Human flopped means that the 360 is going down. Aside from a Home theater and MGS 4 cows have nothing against the 360. ocinom

You would think that cows would want to draw LESS, not MORE attention to the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on a MGS4 delivery device.

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#108 Iceman2911
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Something to brag about hmmmm. Almost all the ps3 exclusives are going to 360 because companies love the system, or just because Too Human flopped means that the 360 is going down. Aside from a Home theater and MGS 4 cows have nothing against the 360. ocinom

we still kept some good exclusives and didn't the ps3 outsell the 360 ww last year and beating the 360 every month this year in the u.s.But of course your going to say I don't play sells because you can't except the ownage peace.

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#109 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="ocinom"]Something to brag about hmmmm. Almost all the ps3 exclusives are going to 360 because companies love the system, or just because Too Human flopped means that the 360 is going down. Aside from a Home theater and MGS 4 cows have nothing against the 360. Iceman2911

we still kept some good exclusives and didn't the ps3 outsell the 360 ww last year and beating the 360 every month this year in the u.s.But of course your going to say I don't play sells because you can't except the ownage peace.

Still third....peace
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[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

TreetarD93

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

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#111 Cooldude224
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[QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

ermacness

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

Sadly, no DLC for ps3's GTA4.

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#112 Iceman2911
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[QUOTE="Iceman2911"]

[QUOTE="ocinom"]Something to brag about hmmmm. Almost all the ps3 exclusives are going to 360 because companies love the system, or just because Too Human flopped means that the 360 is going down. Aside from a Home theater and MGS 4 cows have nothing against the 360. vaderhater

we still kept some good exclusives and didn't the ps3 outsell the 360 ww last year and beating the 360 every month this year in the u.s.But of course your going to say I don't play sells because you can't except the ownage peace.

Still third....peace

not for long this generation isn't over peace

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#113 ermacness
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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

Cooldude224

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

Sadly, no DLC for ps3's GTA4.

in which comes at a MUCH later date, yeah i see where you're coming from

/sarcasm

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#114 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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I love the fact that since the list of multi-platform games that look/run SLIGHTLY better on PS3 has grown to about 5, the 360 is now on death watch.:roll:
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#115 Cooldude224
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[QUOTE="Cooldude224"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

ermacness

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

Sadly, no DLC for ps3's GTA4.

in which comes at a MUCH later date, yeah i see where you're coming from

/sarcasm

Just wait.

See what I did there?

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#116 ermacness
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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Cooldude224"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

Cooldude224

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

Sadly, no DLC for ps3's GTA4.

in which comes at a MUCH later date, yeah i see where you're coming from

/sarcasm

Just wait.

See what I did there?

yeah, but it no longer has no reference to the ps3 if that's what you're silently implying
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#117 LOXO7
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wow, another xbox hate thread bringing up the same old points. no one cares what you have to say because we hear it every other day on system wars. why do you have to keep bringing up points to show that PS3 is that much greater? are you that insecure?TreetarD93

You need to leave here now, if it makes you that uncomfortable. Eyeah 360! 3 year warrantee is a good thing!...right?

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#119 ArisShadows
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I like to rip through your reasons one by one, but people probably already done so to death by now. I just say you are wrong in most of what you said.

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Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

howell1972


Time to pick you apart

1. Excuse me? Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, Gears of War 2, Rockband 2 (Timed), Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts, Braid, Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise, etcetera.

2. Uh, we actually have AAAEs, something the PS3 doesn't have. We have the best AAAE's right behind the PC and we have a much better catalogue of games out.

3. We're all the same, there is no multiplat out there that is better on the PS3 and if it is it's a minor game. I think there is one but it's Bionic Commando, an arcade game. Whoop de doo.

4. No one bought that

5. Who cares, even though we have better games using DVD you still whine about that. Funny how Bluray is driving Sony to the poor house.

6. No one hyped Too Human, Cow

7. That's a stupid thing to say, can you do math? It'll be a long time before the PS3 catches up to the 360

8. And you know this how? Way to early to know.

9. All consoles are a good value this gen.
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#121 foxhound_fox
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And yet I bought one instead of a PS3 and have enjoyed it substantially more than my Wii. Odd how that works.
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#122 t3hTwinky
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Lems have 14 AA or better exclusives.

Cows have 5.

Things are looking grim for the lems. :roll:

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Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

howell1972

Yeah but you foget 360 has all the gooood games and final fantasy....LOL

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#124 alexmurray
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Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

howell1972

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#125 Ballroompirate
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They certainly can't brag about Too Human anymore. Or should I say, Too Flop.:lol:Jenna_Haze

Going by Gamerankings

Too human 69% avg

Haze 56% avg

Lair 56% avg

Too Human is basically a love it or hate it game while Haze and Lair are plain crappy.

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[QUOTE="Arcade-Fire"][QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

[QUOTE="TreetarD93"]sigh..., one word for yah, Lairgdp72

Counter with MGS4. Where is the great 360 exclusive.

Halo

owned

Um NO!!!

Um YES!!!

see what I did there?

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The fail is strong with this one
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#128 MrPostman4Chi
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[QUOTE="gdp72"][QUOTE="Arcade-Fire"][QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

[QUOTE="TreetarD93"]sigh..., one word for yah, LairJackman1

Counter with MGS4. Where is the great 360 exclusive.

Halo

owned

Um NO!!!

Um YES!!!

see what I did there?

You guys forgot about Gears.
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#129 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

ermacness

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

Didnt all those games have MANDATORY installs?? I wouldnt consider that ownage!! more like bringing it up to par!!;)

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#130 Cooldude224
Member since 2005 • 3116 Posts
And Mass Effect.
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#131 vaderhater
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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="TreetarD93"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"][QUOTE="howell1972"]

Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

navyguy21

What mutliplats are looking and scoring better on PS3?

none are, hes making stuff up

actually, the scoring is blown out of proportion, but the performing is near accurate.

BO: Paradise performs better on the ps3 (read the gs review)

DMC4 perform better on the ps3

GTA4 also performs better on the ps3

don't believe me, just go read gs review of these games

Didnt all those games have MANDATORY installs?? I wouldnt consider that ownage!! more like bringing it up to par!!;)

No. True ownage is getting a bunch of gamers to buy a "gaming console" with a HD movie player in it (opps how did that get in there:oops: ) so that said company can win an HD MOVIE WAR.
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#132 SeanBond
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I have I believe 12 games on my 360, and 3 for my PS3, only one of which I've finished (although I'm at the end of MGS4, so soon it will be 2). So uh...I'm more than happy with my 360, and if it weren't for the blu-ray in the PS3, I wouldn't own one, and wouldn't really be missing it.
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#133 Iceman2911
Member since 2006 • 2669 Posts
they have less to brag about
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#134 AlphaGamer469
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BTW, you cows enjoying the multiplat version of Braid?
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#135 MojondeVACA
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Really what do you have to brag about.

1. The Exlusives. NO.

2. The quality of the system. NO.

3. The multiplats. NO. (Not anymore at least. They are looking better and scoring better on PS3)

4. Your HD-DVD drives. NO. (Sucks to be a sucker and have purchased one of those)

5. Your DVD player. NO.

6. Too Human. :D NO. Had to throw a little more salt in there.

7. Sales. NO. Even after a price drop Sony beat 360 on its home turf and worldwide it best 360 everywhere.

8. 360's potential growth. NO. Lets face it. You are not going to get any better than Gears one with Gears 2. Programmers have not even started to tap PS3's potential.

9. Value. NO. It is becomming more and more vapourware with every desperate price drop from MS.

Sorry but the 360 is a lemon with good software thats growth has flatlined.

howell1972


Opinions are fun but dont pass them as a fact,remember that sony fanboys OPINIONS =/=FACTS.