Lem's and Cows... what's your take on console RTSs?

What's your take on console RTSs? Do you have fun with them? Have you ever played the counterparts on the PC?

I bring this up because I did notice that RA3 is coming to the PS3, and it's already on the PC. Personally, I really like RA3. It's fun to jump into a ranked 1v1 or a 2v2, pwning face.

However, considering the sheer size of the maps, I find myself making commands all across the map with speed. Sometimes using the minimap, to quickly look at the enemy base. I can't imagine how such a thing would be done with a controller.

Then the fact that I use hotkeys for EVERYTHING. Just for example, I might set all my Anti-air planes to group 3, my Anti-ground air to group 2, my ground units to group 1, Natasha to group 4... etc.

Then there are micros, where i will quickly double click a unit type to make it (a) dodge the enemy (b) switch attack type (c) make it concentrate on a diff target etc.

I really want to know, because I simply don't understand... how do you play these games on a console? Please elaborate.

there should be no console RTS games ever

I played Civ Rev at a friends and it didn't even feel like an RTS game to me

there should be no console RTS games ever

I played Civ Rev at a friends and it didn't even feel like an RTS game to me

krunkfu2

there should be no console RTS games ever

I played Civ Rev at a friends and it didn't even feel like an RTS game to me

krunkfu2

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Why would you judge console RTS on civ rev? Theres much better rts games about that you can access.

I do not think there at the point where I'll enjoy them as much as i do on the pc - yet. They will be though, there improving. All it needs is the halo of the rts world to pop up and it'll hit it off, just like FPS. Hoping Halo wars will manage it..but i really don't hold my breath.

there should be no console RTS games ever

I played Civ Rev at a friends and it didn't even feel like an RTS game to me

krunkfu2

That's because it isn't a RTS.

But onto the topic at hand, I don't like them, I feel that control pads or whatever you want to call them work fine for every genre, expect for RTS. The world would be a much happier place if they all had mouse and keyboard support.

I thought maybe the voice command mechanics of End War could maybe have worked, but they still don't give you the ease of play you get with a mouse and keyboard.

I'll never buy a console RTS, If mouse+Kb is good for any type of game, it's RTSs.

PC is the only platform I'll buy an RTS for, I have Red Alert 3 for it. Great game.

umm this is one genre that belongs on PC seriously, yeh thats all I can say RTS should remain on the PC.sonny2dap

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Thats what people said of FPS................

As long as the controls are thought out, like in BFME2, no problem.

Also, they should use more voice commands, then you'd be fine too.

If they ever get the controls down, I wouldn't mind RTS games on consoles. But unless more console games would use KB/M support, more complex RTS games will always be on PC due to the KB/M.Master-Thief-09

i don't play rts on consoles. rts on pc>>>>>>>rts on consoles

i don't like RTSes, but usually they are bad on the consoles compared to what the PC has. the controls are horrible like u have to do things like hold down left stick then hold another button to get a menu.iam2green

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"]umm this is one genre that belongs on PC seriously, yeh thats all I can say RTS should remain on the PC.glez13

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Thats what people said of FPS................

ive only played RTS's on the pc. but ill buy red alert 3 on the ps3 if it supports m/kb

RTS games are best played on PC. dream431ca

I have come to that same conclusion,

even though I've tried RTS on consoles often (mostly because I want to chill on the couch), PC is really where it belongs.

That's not to say they haven't made advancements with console controls.... but there is no substitute for M/KB. Even putting that aside, consoles still seem to have the same lag problems when you get into the hundreds of units (something that hasn't changed from C&C on PS1 or SC on 64)

Well I've played CnC3 and Kanes Wrath on the 360 a lot. I also played the demo for CnC3 on the PC. While I can tell you that the PC version is undoubtedly the superior version, those games still worked really well for the 360. You can assign up to 8 groups and then you scroll through them with the D-pad. You can also do a lot of little things with simple button combination too, so there really aren't too many hot keys missing surprisingly. I could go in deeper about it if you want me too. The biggest problem is the fact that the 360's hardware just isn't as powerful as a pc so you can only build up to 50 units, and only play with 4 players online. RTS's work on console's just fine. bobderwood97_1

there should be no console RTS games ever

I played Civ Rev at a friends and it didn't even feel like an RTS game to me

there should be no console RTS games ever

I played Civ Rev at a friends and it didn't even feel like an RTS game to me

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="xsubtownerx"] That's because it's a turned base game ya nitwit.. And Civ Rev was a great game. And no this isn't just my opinion, it's fact.xsubtownerx

EDIT to put it in perspective Civ 4 = 8.5 on GS Civ Rev on 360 = 9.0 LMAO

Scores = Fact. And no I'm not just using Gamespot.xsubtownerx

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] No its most definately opinion. Its my biggest disappointment this gen, well second after Spore. TC I would say "cows" and "lems" (by definition fans of that respective console and not PC gamers) have absolutely no idea what a real genuine and exciting strategy game is like and thus you see all the "I hate RTS's" "least favourite genre" responses.blue_hazy_basic

EDIT to put it in perspective Civ 4 = 8.5 on GS Civ Rev on 360 = 9.0 LMAO

Scores = Fact. And no I'm not just using Gamespot.xsubtownerx

EDIT to put it in perspective Civ 4 = 8.5 on GS Civ Rev on 360 = 9.0 LMAO

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] No its most definately opinion. Its my biggest disappointment this gen, well second after Spore. TC I would say "cows" and "lems" (by definition fans of that respective console and not PC gamers) have absolutely no idea what a real genuine and exciting strategy game is like and thus you see all the "I hate RTS's" "least favourite genre" responses.blue_hazy_basic

EDIT to put it in perspective Civ 4 = 8.5 on GS Civ Rev on 360 = 9.0 LMAO

Um.. Civ 4 is 9,4.

Scores = Fact. And no I'm not just using Gamespot.xsubtownerx

EDIT to put it in perspective Civ 4 = 8.5 on GS Civ Rev on 360 = 9.0 LMAO

Um.. Civ 4 is 9,4.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Scores, such as gamespots, are also relevant to the platform they are on and the equivalent games on that platform. Honestly how well do you think it would have scored on the PC? Also scores are a reviewers opinion, not fact.

EDIT to put it in perspective Civ 4 = 8.5 on GS Civ Rev on 360 = 9.0 LMAO

blue_hazy_basic

In my opinion, yes Civ Rev is better. Is that fact? Absolutely not. Is it a fact Civ Rev is a good or even great game, yes. Like I pointed out. Yes, lower console standards probably helps this game in achieving greatness. Who knows.. All I know is that most crirtics liked it. So did I. Very fun, addicting gameplay.

In my opinion, yes Civ Rev is better. Is that fact? Absolutely not. Is it a fact Civ Rev is a good or even great game, yes. Like I pointed out. Yes, lower console standards probably helps this game in achieveing greatness. Who knows.. All I know is that most crirtics liked it. So did I. Very fun, addicting gameplay.

I have high hopes for Halo Wars to be the best console RTS ever. The controls are good, graphics are good, and so far people who have played it have said it does not lag.SparkyProtocol

I prefer playing almost all types of games on my PS3 rather than my PC (even though my PC can handle better graphics), except for RTS games which are almost unplayable on consoles. Sure maybe I would be able to enjoy them if I didn't know how much better they are with a mouse and keyboard. Can't even image how bad Starcraft would be on a console.ikwal

RTS games on consoles just are not meant to be.

Ive tried 3 and they all where horrible.

Halo Wars will be my very last attempt at giving RTS games a chance on consoles. They belong on PC, not consoles imo. Playing a RTS game with a controller is just WRONG.

RTS games on consoles just are not meant to be.

Ive tried 3 and they all where horrible.

Halo Wars will be my very last attempt at giving RTS games a chance on consoles. They belong on PC, not consoles imo. Playing a RTS game with a controller is just WRONG.

kozzy1234

What's your take on console RTSs? Do you have fun with them? Have you ever played the counterparts on the PC?

I bring this up because I did notice that RA3 is coming to the PS3, and it's already on the PC. Personally, I really like RA3. It's fun to jump into a ranked 1v1 or a 2v2, pwning face.

However, considering the sheer size of the maps, I find myself making commands all across the map with speed. Sometimes using the minimap, to quickly look at the enemy base. I can't imagine how such a thing would be done with a controller.

Then the fact that I use hotkeys for EVERYTHING. Just for example, I might set all my Anti-air planes to group 3, my Anti-ground air to group 2, my ground units to group 1, Natasha to group 4... etc.

Then there are micros, where i will quickly double click a unit type to make it (a) dodge the enemy (b) switch attack type (c) make it concentrate on a diff target etc.

I really want to know, because I simply don't understand... how do you play these games on a console? Please elaborate.

Mehdi1984

I turn on my console. I insert the game disc. I sit on the couch with my controller. Really, it isn't that difficult.

Seriously, PC gamers are too focused on comparative issues....because of this they don't get that the RTS genre is now serviceable and enjoyable on a console.

I can make groups like you do above. I can scan the map, like you do. Can I do those things as fast, as efficiently, and as effectively as KB/M? No, of course not. And can I assign a million hot keys? Nope.

But I don't have to do things the same or as well as the KB/M to make the game enjoyable. I am playing the AI, or I am playing other people with similar controls limitations...ergo, it is fair.

I don't care about crazy Koreans able to issue 6 billion commands in 0.5 seconds on Starcraft (example a hermit posted once on why I should hate RTS games on my consoles). Nor do I care whether my console RTS experience is as fast or as dynamic, or even as deep, as what can be found on the PC in general, or the PC version of specific games. I am not comparing my console experience to your PC experience.

Indeed, I don't care about PC gaming at all. I don't harbour any ill will to PC gamers...they like their thing...I like mine. Therefore, I am not obsessed with COMPARATIVE analyses of the RTS genre on PC vs Consoles. It is irrelevant to me, because PC gaming is dead to me.

Consequently, the only thing that matters is whether or not the RTS game in question is available on a console and whether its format and control scheme is workable...in other words, can I enjoy them game...which is the only measure that matters to me. Not theoretical comparisons against choices which are irrelevant to me.