lems, cows, how does utter ownage sound?

I love how sheep always leave out Hermits.II-FBIsniper-II

[QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="wmc540"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

If the Wii is still selling out, how will anything help Nintendo's sales more?

Nintendo can't sell at a faster rate until they produce more units.

Erkidu

And by produce more units you mean stop faking the shortage.

It isn't like there is a single revolutionary compent to the Wii that they should have any problems mass producing. Henry Ford would be embarrassed with Nintendo's assembly lines if this "shortage" was real.

No my allusion states that Henry Ford did way more with way less... thus there is something fishy going on.

you are arguing that it isn't a fake shortage, so prove me that there isn't; oh wait, you can't, so you are arguing about something you say you can't argue about; go play Wii by yourself, which only people without friends do

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="user_nat"]

I never said it wouldn't sell more then SSBM or be a hit. I was simply saying that attach rates do not mean everything when comparing popularity. If a console sells 10,000 or something and a game on it sells 9,000.. does that make that game the most popular ever?

user_nat

Sorry to keep this going.. but.. Instead of looking it in percents, why not actual numbers? So you could say 14million people bought a PS2 just for GTA, 6million people bought a GC just for SSBM and 9million people bought an xbox for Halo 2. Wouldn't a more standard comparison be fair.. like % of the entire world population?

edit: Come to think of it.. why does this even matter. Both games are amazingly popular.

you are arguing that it isn't a fake shortage, so prove me that there isn't; oh wait, you can't, so you are arguing about something you say you can't argue about; go play Wii by yourself, which only people without friends dotennisacerg

Possibly. But there is another variable that we are both ignoring. The PS2 had multiple 8 million+ sellers and 10+ million sellers - insinuating that a high number of PS2 owners didn't buy the PS2 ONLY for GTA:SA. On the other hand, SSB Melee was the best selling title on the GC - and by a significant margin, as there were very few million sellers on the GC in comparison to the PS2.Erkidu

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

if any game for any console in the last few generations has been a system seller, it is super smash brothers brawl. what huge do you both have to look forward to in the first quarter? unless i missed somthing both halo wars and mgs4 are STILL TBA.

and don't even try telling me i'm wrong, i have seen dozens of people say they bought, are going to buy a wii specificly for brawl.

XanderZane

The Wii still has huge shortages, so when SSBB comes out, you're not going to see much in the way of a Wii sale surge. There won't be any Wii on retail shelves to be sold. The only game coming out for XBox 360 to help sell 360 is Lost Odyssey and DMC4. There's really nothing on the PS3 except DMC4.

.......
You must be new to SW. You clearly haven't seen the 10+ MGS4 threads popping up every every hour. Whether or not it's gonna be a good game is no longer a factor, this game will move PS3s off shelves, fast.

[QUOTE="Erkidu"]Possibly. But there is another variable that we are both ignoring. The PS2 had multiple 8 million+ sellers and 10+ million sellers - insinuating that a high number of PS2 owners didn't buy the PS2 ONLY for GTA:SA. On the other hand, SSB Melee was the best selling title on the GC - and by a significant margin, as there were very few million sellers on the GC in comparison to the PS2.nintendofreak_2

I doubt they bought their Wii for Brawl Heil68

Maybe they didn't. But I did, and so did every other Sheep and Wii-fan here. Also, anybody who enjoyed and played Melee is going to buy Brawl. Saying that the Wii's only userbase is a bunch of old people and little kids is even less accurate than calling all the people that play Halo 3 online 12-year olds (and that is pretty accurate to begin with).

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

if any game for any console in the last few generations has been a system seller, it is super smash brothers brawl. what huge do you both have to look forward to in the first quarter? unless i missed somthing both halo wars and mgs4 are STILL TBA.

and don't even try telling me i'm wrong, i have seen dozens of people say they bought, are going to buy a wii specificly for brawl.

GanonBuRAP

The Wii still has huge shortages, so when SSBB comes out, you're not going to see much in the way of a Wii sale surge. There won't be any Wii on retail shelves to be sold. The only game coming out for XBox 360 to help sell 360 is Lost Odyssey and DMC4. There's really nothing on the PS3 except DMC4.

.......
You must be new to SW. You clearly haven't seen the 10+ MGS4 threads popping up every every hour. Whether or not it's gonna be a good game is no longer a factor, this game will move PS3s off shelves, fast.

No, it won't. Nobody outside of System Wars really knows about Metal Gear Solid or cares about it. Calling it a system seller fails. People said the same about MGS2, and it sold overall less than 6 million copies worldwide.

I doubt they bought their Wii for Brawl Heil68

Actually I'm pretty sure ole one eye did.

Games>>>>>>>>>>>Sales. Deal with it.Aljosa23

That may be true for a limited amount of time, but poor sales has a way of resulting in less and less (and eventually no) games.

I love how sheep always leave out Hermits.II-FBIsniper-II

:| seriously its like we don't exist in system wars wth man wth.

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

KingOfKonging

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]

if any game for any console in the last few generations has been a system seller, it is super smash brothers brawl. what huge do you both have to look forward to in the first quarter? unless i missed somthing both halo wars and mgs4 are STILL TBA.

and don't even try telling me i'm wrong, i have seen dozens of people say they bought, are going to buy a wii specificly for brawl.

GanonBuRAP

The Wii still has huge shortages, so when SSBB comes out, you're not going to see much in the way of a Wii sale surge. There won't be any Wii on retail shelves to be sold. The only game coming out for XBox 360 to help sell 360 is Lost Odyssey and DMC4. There's really nothing on the PS3 except DMC4.

.......
You must be new to SW. You clearly haven't seen the 10+ MGS4 threads popping up every every hour. Whether or not it's gonna be a good game is no longer a factor, this game will move PS3s off shelves, fast.

he forgot gta 4 which is best selling franchise of all time what an idiot

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

dulgn_ps

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

More system sales will mean that developers won't ignore you any longer, not if they have the intelligence of a below-average cabbage. System sales will bring the games, you don't need a crystal ball or a time travelling car to know that that is inevitable. Poor system sales, even with high attach-rates, will eventually cost a console manufacturer.

I agree... While the Wii probably doesn't really need the help of SSBB, Brawl will drive the Wii to utter domination. No other 360 or PS3 game can compete with it in 2008, and this includes Metal Gear Solid 4. MGS games have never been system sellers, because the general public would rather take hiding in the shadows a few feet away from guards (Splintered Cell) over a far more superior game.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl will sell the best this year.

princeofshapeir

Then why has MGS sold more than SC...

[QUOTE="dulgn_ps"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

dsmccracken

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

More system sales will mean that developers won't ignore you any longer, not if they have the intelligence of a below-average cabbage. System sales will bring the games, you don't need a crystal ball or a time travelling car to know that that is inevitable. Poor system sales, even with high attach-rates, will eventually cost a console manufacturer.

Well in the Wii's case it doesn't matter. Why? Because numerous developers are far more interested in pushing the technical boundaries in a game using current gen software than they are in crippling their games so that they can work on the Wii. Their will always be a significant portion of the gaming public thats want something that the Wii can't offer.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]

I agree... While the Wii probably doesn't really need the help of SSBB, Brawl will drive the Wii to utter domination. No other 360 or PS3 game can compete with it in 2008, and this includes Metal Gear Solid 4. MGS games have never been system sellers, because the general public would rather take hiding in the shadows a few feet away from guards (Splintered Cell) over a far more superior game.

Super Smash Bros. Brawl will sell the best this year.

NavigatorsGhost

Then why has MGS sold more than SC...

Metal Gear is superior to SC in both sales... and quality for that matter, though that last is IMO.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"]I love how sheep always leave out Hermits.youngtongue

:| seriously its like we don't exist in system wars wth man wth.

Well, PC gamers get the best quality games (although they miss out on some outstanding ones that are only made for consoles), so there is really no point in arguing about it. Its like whenever graphics discussions occur, whats the point of including PCs? They will always be better in that regard...

[QUOTE="user_nat"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="user_nat"]

[QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"][QUOTE="Erkidu"][QUOTE="wmc540"]I don't know if GTA IV is officially in the first quarter... but it will crush brawl.Erkidu

You can't change the fact that 14m (x 3 for each game) > 6m. Just because Smash had a larger attach rate does not mean it was more popular. If smash was such a great system seller and much more popular then GTA, it would have sold more $99 gamecubes. But it didn't. So the Wii could sell 100m systems and Smash could still only sell 6m because thats all the fans it may have. And you can't prove I'm wrong either.

I never said it wouldn't sell more then SSBM or be a hit. I was simply saying that attach rates do not mean everything when comparing popularity. If a console sells 10,000 or something and a game on it sells 9,000.. does that make that game the most popular ever?

You are comparing the sales of a fighting game on a system with very few games (compared to the ps2) and very few fighting games period to the 2nd sequel of a sandbox game on the most popular console of all time with the biggest library of all time. In other words, Brawl had a lot less competition. Not to mention that Brawl is friendly for all ages. San Andreas isn't exactly "kid friendly".

Outside of videogames, nobody has heard of smash brothers brawl. Whereas GTA is pretty well known...

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="dulgn_ps"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

NavigatorsGhost

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

More system sales will mean that developers won't ignore you any longer, not if they have the intelligence of a below-average cabbage. System sales will bring the games, you don't need a crystal ball or a time travelling car to know that that is inevitable. Poor system sales, even with high attach-rates, will eventually cost a console manufacturer.

Well in the Wii's case it doesn't matter. Why? Because numerous developers are far more interested in pushing the technical boundaries in a game using current gen software than they are in crippling their games so that they can work on the Wii. Their will always be a significant portion of the gaming public thats want something that the Wii can't offer.

Coders are interested in pushing tech, companies are interested in making $. If the MOST significant % of the market owns a bloody Wii, they are going to get the games, that is just basic economics. The games will go to the biggest system seller, not because of cutting-edge tech, but REGARDLESS of that tech. For example (and it's not a great one, I know), no DVD producer is going to pump out more Bluray copies of Spiderman 3 than normal DVD copies. No one is going to make more software (games orotherwise)for Mac than for PCs.

The developers will go where the system sales are, you must know that. I don't even own a Wii, but I know that.

As far as I am conserned comparing Wii too X-box or Ps3 is stupid. Wii is a casual game console, whereas X-box and Ps3 are hardcore gaming consoles. Are we comparing the handheld's to the other consoles? No! So why are we comparing Wii to X-box and Ps3? Wii is in a category of its own. The reason why it is outselling the others is because of its revolutionary controlers and the fact that it appeals to the very young, the old, casual gamers and some of the hardcore camp who are after a breath of fresh air.

You simply can't argue with the facts i'v just posted. Doing so will incur self ownage8)

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="dulgn_ps"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

dsmccracken

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

More system sales will mean that developers won't ignore you any longer, not if they have the intelligence of a below-average cabbage. System sales will bring the games, you don't need a crystal ball or a time travelling car to know that that is inevitable. Poor system sales, even with high attach-rates, will eventually cost a console manufacturer.

Well in the Wii's case it doesn't matter. Why? Because numerous developers are far more interested in pushing the technical boundaries in a game using current gen software than they are in crippling their games so that they can work on the Wii. Their will always be a significant portion of the gaming public thats want something that the Wii can't offer.

Coders are interested in pushing tech, companies are interested in making $. If the MOST significant % of the market owns a bloody Wii, they are going to get the games, that is just basic economics. The games will go to the biggest system seller, not because of cutting-edge tech, but REGARDLESS of that tech. For example (and it's not a great one, I know), no DVD producer is going to pump out more Bluray copies of Spiderman 3 than normal DVD copies. No one is going to make more software (games orotherwise)for Mac than for PCs.

The developers will go where the system sales are, you must know that. I don't even own a Wii, but I know that.

The Wii isn't going to pull away significantly from the 360 and PS3 combined. It can't because it doesn't offer cutting edge. As gamers from the 80s and 90s grow up, they are more interested in cutting edge...

The Wii is doing well because its price and accessibility.

As far as I am conserned comparing Wii too X-box or Ps3 is stupid. Wii is a casual game console, whereas X-box and Ps3 are hardcore gaming consoles. Are we comparing the handheld's to the other consoles? No! So why are we comparing Wii to X-box and Ps3? Wii is in a category of its own. The reason why it is outselling the others is because of its revolutionary controlers and the fact that it appeals to the very young, the old, casual gamers and some of the hardcore camp who are after a breath of fresh air.

You simply can't argue with the facts i'v just posted. Doing so will incur self ownage8)

cokbok

Exactly. What does this mean? It means there will always be a market for the developers who want to put out games like Gears and Mass Effect.

The evolution of gaming isn't going to simply stop because nintendo decided to create a game console that chose control over next-gen hardware.

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

KingOfKonging

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

dulgn_ps

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

I love how sheep always leave out Hermits.II-FBIsniper-II

So it's only sheep, is that so? Not lemmings or cows as well. Just sheep. Interesting. We also leave out handheld platforms when comparing consoles to other consoles but there's no complaining about that.

Too bad SSBM sucks but yet people play it. :?

I mean i had it for gamecube...Lamest game i could've ever purchased

Takes no skill,kiddy as hell,random,no depth...More of platforming game than a fighter to me

ProductNumber49

Takes no skill, does it? How come I get button mashed to oblivion in Soul Calibur 2 and Tekken 5 but in Super Smash Bros. Melee, the button mashers get sent to oblivion by me?

Not really ownage

easpically if meatl gear solid and halo wars end up being the better game

[QUOTE="ProductNumber49"]

Too bad SSBM sucks but yet people play it. :?

I mean i had it for gamecube...Lamest game i could've ever purchased

Takes no skill,kiddy as hell,random,no depth...More of platforming game than a fighter to me

Hexagon_777

Takes no skill, does it? How come I get button mashed to oblivion in Soul Calibur 2 and Tekken 5 but in Super Smash Bros. Melee, the button mashers get sent to oblivion by me?

lol, if you get killed by a button masher in Tekken 5, you should stick to SSB.

Counter, reverse, BLOCK.

Pick one.

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

KingOfKonging

[QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

mongo777

I own a wii and I have to agree the library pretty much sucks. Res Evil 4 and SMG were the only games worth buying to me.

Wow, you don't deserve a Wii my friend. Saying the library is "bad" is one thing, but saying there are only 2 games worth playing for it is just embellishing for no reason but to flame the system. You're the type of guy who bought a Wii the first Xmas it was out, because it was cool, and you were never meant to be a target for most of Nintys first party games. Therefore you complain that the system doesn't have any games for you.

You should just play Xbox, imo.

Wii's system-seller is Wii Sports. SSBB is a big game, but it's probably not going to sell as much as SMG, Wii Fit, Animal Crossing, or even Mario Kart. The last two are possibilities, but the first two are pretty much sure things.i_like_pizza

Not that I want to contradict you, but SSB sold more copies than all of those other games, when it was on Gamecube, it was the top seller there. It will sell huge, and have legs for years.

I love how sheep always leave out Hermits.II-FBIsniper-II

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="dulgn_ps"][QUOTE="KingOfKonging"]

Wii doesn't need a "System seller," it's already selling the most systems by far and has the worst library.

Maybe you can talk "ownage" when the library comes anywhere near close to competing.... unless you don't care about games that is.

For me, games are the most important thing.

NavigatorsGhost

yeah true it's funny some sheeps think wii selling well because of wii's games

it has the worst library by far

More system sales will mean that developers won't ignore you any longer, not if they have the intelligence of a below-average cabbage. System sales will bring the games, you don't need a crystal ball or a time travelling car to know that that is inevitable. Poor system sales, even with high attach-rates, will eventually cost a console manufacturer.

Well in the Wii's case it doesn't matter. Why? Because numerous developers are far more interested in pushing the technical boundaries in a game using current gen software than they are in crippling their games so that they can work on the Wii. Their will always be a significant portion of the gaming public thats want something that the Wii can't offer.