Let's compare 2010 exclusives (PS3 - X360)

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"] Halo Reach hasn't even come out yet, so I don't see how you can possibly assume you WILL get more playtime out of Halo Reach than all those games combined.-RocBoys9489-

Its playtime would probably be very close to that of a racing fans time with GT5. Little Big Planet 2 also easily challenges Reach's playtime considering all the customization that is available. Seems like RocBoys simply is a shooter fanboy. Don't know why personally. If there is a genre I'm sick off. Its shooters. But I still get Halo for the multiplayer.

What about it? So what? Forza 3 isn't even this year. This year, Modnation Racers is still one of the best and most unique racing games out there. Rest are not exclusives.

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Do you honestly need anything else besides Reach though? I could take MAG, Heavy Rain, GT5, combine them all and still get way more overall play time out of the upcoming title. PS3 exclusives are nice but they just don't hold much value IMOargetlam00

Its playtime would probably be very close to that of a racing fans time with GT5. Little Big Planet 2 also easily challenges Reach's playtime considering all the customization that is available. Seems like RocBoys simply is a shooter fanboy. Don't know why personally. If there is a genre I'm sick off. Its shooters. But I still get Halo for the multiplayer.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] because being a tool that hates for no real reason outside of it being popular is better?

jg4xchamp

More like because I detested it the last 10 times I played it and as such ripped on it a lot. Can't rip on something I found fun now can I?

Hey, Heavenly Sword was fun, rough but fun. But I really just do not like FPS period, thus actually finding it fun was like a moral blow. Like I had failed my taste per say. (And yeah, MW2 has a terrible campaign which was not fun but anyway) Also, my hate of MW isn't because its popular, I like most popular things that aren't FPS rather than liking what I previously hated. I'm sure I'll hate it again next go :P And you caninsult my taste all you want but you are pinning other m to be good just because its Metroid when anyone with eyes can tell it will suck so . . . . whatever :P

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Do you honestly need anything else besides Reach though? I could take MAG, Heavy Rain, GT5, combine them all and still get way more overall play time out of the upcoming title. PS3 exclusives are nice but they just don't hold much value IMOargetlam00

Its playtime would probably be very close to that of a racing fans time with GT5. Little Big Planet 2 also easily challenges Reach's playtime considering all the customization that is available. Seems like RocBoys simply is a shooter fanboy. Don't know why personally. If there is a genre I'm sick off. Its shooters. But I still get Halo for the multiplayer.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I second this

jg4xchamp

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Do you wipe your behind with $60 or something?! lol Or does your mommy buy your games? It's a lot of money asking for something, how can you not complain? :?-RocBoys9489-

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

Yeah, 10 hours of awesomeness and variety from shooters that has replayability is IMPOSSIBLE to be worth a pricetag... I didn't buy God of War 3 (rent was good enough for me, I also rented Mass Effect 2), but I'm not surprised people do.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

More like because I detested it the last 10 times I played it and as such ripped on it a lot. Can't rip on something I found fun now can I?

ActicEdge

Hey, Heavenly Sword was fun, rough but fun. But I really just do not like FPS period, thus actually finding it fun was like a moral blow. Like I had failed my taste per say. (And yeah, MW2 has a terrible campaign which was not fun but anyway) Also, my hate of MW isn't because its popular, I like most popular things that aren't FPS rather than liking what I previously hated. I'm sure I'll hate it again next go :P And caninsult my taste all you wantbut you are pinning other m to be good just because its Metroid when anyone with eyes can tell it will suck so . . . . whatever :P

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

Its playtime would probably be very close to that of a racing fans time with GT5. Little Big Planet 2 also easily challenges Reach's playtime considering all the customization that is available. Seems like RocBoys simply is a shooter fanboy. Don't know why personally. If there is a genre I'm sick off. Its shooters. But I still get Halo for the multiplayer.

AAllxxjjnn

What about it? So what? Forza 3 isn't even this year. This year, Modnation Racers is still one of the best and most unique racing games out there. Rest are not exclusives.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Do you wipe your behind with $60 or something?! lol Or does your mommy buy your games? It's a lot of money asking for something, how can you not complain? :?-RocBoys9489-

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Nerd_Man"] Halo Reach hasn't even come out yet, so I don't see how you can possibly assume you WILL get more playtime out of Halo Reach than all those games combined.scotty182

Its playtime would probably be very close to that of a racing fans time with GT5. Little Big Planet 2 also easily challenges Reach's playtime considering all the customization that is available. Seems like RocBoys simply is a shooter fanboy. Don't know why personally. If there is a genre I'm sick off. Its shooters. But I still get Halo for the multiplayer.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Do you wipe your behind with $60 or something?! lol Or does your mommy buy your games? It's a lot of money asking for something, how can you not complain? :?-RocBoys9489-

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

[QUOTE="scotty182"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its playtime would probably be very close to that of a racing fans time with GT5. Little Big Planet 2 also easily challenges Reach's playtime considering all the customization that is available. Seems like RocBoys simply is a shooter fanboy. Don't know why personally. If there is a genre I'm sick off. Its shooters. But I still get Halo for the multiplayer.

-RocBoys9489-

yet not all game genres can have such replayability. Doesn't mean they are not worth the money.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Forza 3, Fallout GOTY, Mass Effect 2, Madden ;)-RocBoys9489-

What about it? So what? Forza 3 isn't even this year. This year, Modnation Racers is still one of the best and most unique racing games out there. Rest are not exclusives.

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] haha mummy. Child I've been working for my games since I was 14, and I don't see the reasoning behind complaining for all the prices. I play my games to do what they do best. Be fun to play. Do I appreciate it when games give me more than my moneys worth like say Halo Reach or even that boring sleeping pill DragonAge. But no amount of "filler" additions of content can make up for great execution. DragonAge is far longer than Bayonetta could ever be as a game, but it goes without saying I would much rather play Bayonetta. To me it is a more fun game to play and quite frankly it's a much better hack n slash than DA is a a RPG. Which game gives you more content? DragonAge. 60 bucks is 60 bucks, and yeah I'd rather wait for deals(or trade my games in and cut into my costs a little) but the price doesn't bother me if the game is fun to play. In the case of God of War 3. It's an 8-10 hour experience but its so well paced, has great level design, and it does something that the majority of this gen sucks at. It provides me good boss fights. If the quality is there, the lack of longevitiy and price tag does not bother me. DLC and crap like that I have complaints with. A quality game being the same price as every other retail game on the market? hardly a real issue to me. Nerd_Man

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="scotty182"] haha mummy. Child I've been working for my games since I was 14, and I don't see the reasoning behind complaining for all the prices. I play my games to do what they do best. Be fun to play. Do I appreciate it when games give me more than my moneys worth like say Halo Reach or even that boring sleeping pill DragonAge. But no amount of "filler" additions of content can make up for great execution. DragonAge is far longer than Bayonetta could ever be as a game, but it goes without saying I would much rather play Bayonetta. To me it is a more fun game to play and quite frankly it's a much better hack n slash than DA is a a RPG. Which game gives you more content? DragonAge. 60 bucks is 60 bucks, and yeah I'd rather wait for deals(or trade my games in and cut into my costs a little) but the price doesn't bother me if the game is fun to play. In the case of God of War 3. It's an 8-10 hour experience but its so well paced, has great level design, and it does something that the majority of this gen sucks at. It provides me good boss fights. If the quality is there, the lack of longevitiy and price tag does not bother me. DLC and crap like that I have complaints with. A quality game being the same price as every other retail game on the market? hardly a real issue to me. argetlam00

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Do you wipe your behind with $60 or something?! lol Or does your mommy buy your games? It's a lot of money asking for something, how can you not complain? :?-RocBoys9489-

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

Sure its expensive but I don't get the idea of taking gaming like an investment, its friggin entertainment. You need to be looking at what you will enjoy more and not what will give you the best value.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] The point was basically why be ashamed of finding it fun? If it's fun than the game did what it is suppose to do. I'm not a fan of it(weak gunplay, unbalanced mp, and bland campaign bore me) but meh to each his own. I mean you like that garbage Heavenly Sword(pure unnacceptable dog crap by anyone's standards) so It's not like you have taste or anything. Just confused why you would be ashamed of finding a game fun. I thought you were above the "I gotta be cool and hate MW because thats what teh gaming hipsters want" thing :Pjg4xchamp

Hey, Heavenly Sword was fun, rough but fun. But I really just do not like FPS period, thus actually finding it fun was like a moral blow. Like I had failed my taste per say. (And yeah, MW2 has a terrible campaign which was not fun but anyway) Also, my hate of MW isn't because its popular, I like most popular things that aren't FPS rather than liking what I previously hated. I'm sure I'll hate it again next go :P And caninsult my taste all you wantbut you are pinning other m to be good just because its Metroid when anyone with eyes can tell it will suck so . . . . whatever :P

It wasn't the deepest game but I found it entertaining all in all. And no, Other M will be crap. Its visually bland, the Metroid atmosphere looks completely wasted, hell you are with people, the voice acting sucks, the control scheme is stupid, its filled with horrid CG. This game will be terrible. Metroid Prime 3 will remain the much better game. Other M will be disappointment of the year.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

What about it? So what? Forza 3 isn't even this year. This year, Modnation Racers is still one of the best and most unique racing games out there. Rest are not exclusives.

argetlam00

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]

What about it? So what? Forza 3 isn't even this year. This year, Modnation Racers is still one of the best and most unique racing games out there. Rest are not exclusives.

argetlam00

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] haha mummy. Child I've been working for my games since I was 14, and I don't see the reasoning behind complaining for all the prices. I play my games to do what they do best. Be fun to play. Do I appreciate it when games give me more than my moneys worth like say Halo Reach or even that boring sleeping pill DragonAge. But no amount of "filler" additions of content can make up for great execution. DragonAge is far longer than Bayonetta could ever be as a game, but it goes without saying I would much rather play Bayonetta. To me it is a more fun game to play and quite frankly it's a much better hack n slash than DA is a a RPG. Which game gives you more content? DragonAge. 60 bucks is 60 bucks, and yeah I'd rather wait for deals(or trade my games in and cut into my costs a little) but the price doesn't bother me if the game is fun to play. In the case of God of War 3. It's an 8-10 hour experience but its so well paced, has great level design, and it does something that the majority of this gen sucks at. It provides me good boss fights. If the quality is there, the lack of longevitiy and price tag does not bother me. DLC and crap like that I have complaints with. A quality game being the same price as every other retail game on the market? hardly a real issue to me. ActicEdge

Do you make 6 figures or something?! Idc what you say, $60 is a lot of money to ask for these games. Try supporting yourself in addition to spending $ on consoles, TVs, and then games. It's ***** expensive.

Sure its expensive but I don't get the idea of taking gaming like an investment, its friggin entertainment. You need to be looking at what you will enjoy more and not what will give you the best value.

Entertainment gives us pleasure. For egoists like me, thats what matters in life :P

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] You called me a shooter fanboy and I responded, what are you talking about :?

jg4xchamp

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

He actually believes it has more value than the PS3 2010 library. Even, when matched against one PS3 exclusive, Reach providing more value from 60 dollar price tag is highly debateable when up against games like little big planet 2.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Hey, Heavenly Sword was fun, rough but fun. But I really just do not like FPS period, thus actually finding it fun was like a moral blow. Like I had failed my taste per say. (And yeah, MW2 has a terrible campaign which was not fun but anyway) Also, my hate of MW isn't because its popular, I like most popular things that aren't FPS rather than liking what I previously hated. I'm sure I'll hate it again next go :P And caninsult my taste all you wantbut you are pinning other m to be good just because its Metroid when anyone with eyes can tell it will suck so . . . . whatever :P

ActicEdge

It wasn't the deepest game but I found it entertaining all in all. And no, Other M will be crap. Its visually bland, the Metroid atmosphere looks completely wasted, hell you are with people, the voice acting sucks, the control scheme is stupid, its filled with horrid CG. This game will be terrible. Metroid Prime 3 will remain the much better game. Other M will be disappointment of the year.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

argetlam00

He actually believes it has more value than the PS3 2010 library. Even, when matched against one PS3 exclusive, Reach providing more value from 60 dollar price tag is highly debateable when up against games like little big planet 2.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

argetlam00

He actually believes it has more value than the PS3 2010 library. Even, when matched against one PS3 exclusive, Reach providing more value from 60 dollar price tag is highly debateable when up against games like little big planet 2.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Heavenly Sword by no stretch of the imagination is a good hack n slash. It's god awful. Other M will be fine. It looks speedy and overly action oriented, but meh it's an area Team Ninja is pretty good at and should bring some challenge back to the Metroid boss battles. At the least it'll be better than Prime 3. jg4xchamp

It wasn't the deepest game but I found it entertaining all in all. And no, Other M will be crap. Its visually bland, the Metroid atmosphere looks completely wasted, hell you are with people, the voice acting sucks, the control scheme is stupid, its filled with horrid CG. This game will be terrible. Metroid Prime 3 will remain the much better game. Other M will be disappointment of the year.

I don't know, Prime 3 was solid for me. Its no shooter and I agree the opening sequence where it looked like they ripped there direction straight outta a halo game as well as the ending are 2 of the crappiest things I have ever had the misfortune of playing and watching but other than that I thought it was fine. Its not the best metroid game and whenever you are with people the game weakens significantly but still, the action was quite a good change of pace imo. I thought it played well despite not necessarily being mind blowing. Plus some of the environments and the atmosphere in general were more than intact.

With Other M, all I see is autoaim (dear god how I detest auto aim), flash finishers and like . . . nothing else. I mean the action just looks bland and forced. Its not like its Ninja Gaiden in the gameplay department, it just looks watered down. As for the environments and the large areas, we'll have to see cause for now it seems to be lacking. Frankly, I'd take another beautiful and atmospheric metroid (with so and so shooter elements) than Ninja Gaiden lite with cut scenes and bland areas. When it comes out though, we'll see.

there's another AA title for the 360 that is worth a mention.

http://www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/952641-deathsmiles/index.html

Where is Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii list?

ActicEdge

what about deadly premonition?

what about deadly premonition?

zarshack

It doesnt take a list to know that the 360 is definitely the loser here :P.

I thought it was obvious already that PS3 won this year in terms of software. ps3 always has more software while 360 has teh halo

PS3 has started winning since 2008 with its awesome line-ups of games and I see it hasnt given up that reign.

I thought it was obvious already that PS3 won this year in terms of software. ps3 always has more software while 360 has teh halo

finalstar2007

Then how do you explain that this year i buy Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Fable 3, Halo Reach, Limbo, Dust on 360

and only rent GOW3, LBP2 on PS3 ?

PS3 has nothing muchfor me in 2010, and 360 has like 10 games to buy (including the best version of all multiplatforms i care about, as usual)

Please explain

Also explain why i am interested in 3 Kinect launch titles, and zero PS3 Move launch titles ?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Even so, that doesn't change the fact that you are a shooter fanboy. If you believe that Halo Reach offers more playtime than PS3 exclusives in 2010, thats about the only explanation for it. Just because you play other games doesn't change that.

argetlam00

He actually believes it has more value than the PS3 2010 library. Even, when matched against one PS3 exclusive, Reach providing more value from 60 dollar price tag is highly debateable when up against games like little big planet 2.

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I thought it was obvious already that PS3 won this year in terms of software. ps3 always has more software while 360 has teh halo

a_simple_gamer

Then how do you explain that this year i buy Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Fable 3, Halo Reach, Limbo, Dust on 360

and only rent GOW3, LBP2 on PS3 ?

PS3 has nothing muchfor me in 2010, and 360 has like 10 games to buy (including the best version of all multiplatforms i care about, as usual)

Please explain

Also explain why i am interested in 3 Kinect launch titles, and zero PS3 Move launch titles ?

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

what about deadly premonition?

FlamesOfGrey

True http://www.destructoid.com/play-deadly-premonition-in-english-on-your-ps3-164837.phtml

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

I thought it was obvious already that PS3 won this year in terms of software. ps3 always has more software while 360 has teh halo

sayonara89

Then how do you explain that this year i buy Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Fable 3, Halo Reach, Limbo, Dust on 360

and only rent GOW3, LBP2 on PS3 ?

PS3 has nothing muchfor me in 2010, and 360 has like 10 games to buy (including the best version of all multiplatforms i care about, as usual)

Please explain

Also explain why i am interested in 3 Kinect launch titles, and zero PS3 Move launch titles ?

Maybe i just prefer deep and long games, than an afternoon of repeatitve bashing (GOW3) and shooting (Uncharted 2)

That must be it

I finihsed Demon soul yesterday, that game was of the amazing kind, but the others are mediocre stuff imo, i bought it in 2009 though, so doe not really count in 2010 as a buy, in 2010 i have and will buy only 360 games, nothing on PS3 interest me at all

So, please someone explain how that is possible ? I mean if PS3 has so amazing software as the TC suggests, would have something for me to buy in 2010 too, and does not

So, howcan that be explained ?

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Then how do you explain that this year i buy Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Fable 3, Halo Reach, Limbo, Dust on 360

and only rent GOW3, LBP2 on PS3 ?

PS3 has nothing muchfor me in 2010, and 360 has like 10 games to buy (including the best version of all multiplatforms i care about, as usual)

Please explain

Also explain why i am interested in 3 Kinect launch titles, and zero PS3 Move launch titles ?

a_simple_gamer

Maybe i just prefer deep and long games, than an afternoon of repeatitve bashing (GOW3) and shooting (Uncharted 2)

That must be it

I finihsed Demon soul yesterday, that game was of the amazing kind, but the others are mediocre stuff imo, i bought it in 2009 though

Well everyone has preferences, I myself loved Uncharted 2, one of my favs this gen.

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"] Maybe you prefer xbox 360? So, you're biased :shock:

FIipMode

Maybe i just prefer deep and long games, than an afternoon of repeatitve bashing (GOW3) and shooting (Uncharted 2)

That must be it

I finihsed Demon soul yesterday, that game was of the amazing kind, but the others are mediocre stuff imo, i bought it in 2009 though

Well everyone has preferences, I myself loved Uncharted 2, one of my favs this gen.

100% agrred with that, everyone likes his thing, so why all those meaningless threads comparing lineups and declaring PS3 lineup as "teh best evar ?"

Isnt that a lot of immature ?

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Maybe i just prefer deep and long games, than an afternoon of repeatitve bashing (GOW3) and shooting (Uncharted 2)

That must be it

I finihsed Demon soul yesterday, that game was of the amazing kind, but the others are mediocre stuff imo, i bought it in 2009 though

a_simple_gamer

Well everyone has preferences, I myself loved Uncharted 2, one of my favs this gen.

100% agrred with that, everyone likes his thing, so why all those meaningless threads comparing lineups and declaring PS3 lineup as "teh best evar ?"

Isnt that a lot of immature ?

Yes its immature, its expected here, my advice is if your so tired of it, avoid it.

360 still beats the PS3 this year with overall library. IMO of course. GoW3 and HR were gems though.

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Then how do you explain that this year i buy Alan Wake, Mass Effect 2, Fable 3, Halo Reach, Limbo, Dust on 360

and only rent GOW3, LBP2 on PS3 ?

PS3 has nothing muchfor me in 2010, and 360 has like 10 games to buy (including the best version of all multiplatforms i care about, as usual)

Please explain

Also explain why i am interested in 3 Kinect launch titles, and zero PS3 Move launch titles ?

a_simple_gamer

Maybe i just prefer deep and long games, than an afternoon of repeatitve bashing (GOW3) and shooting (Uncharted 2)

That must be it

I finihsed Demon soul yesterday, that game was of the amazing kind, but the others are mediocre stuff imo, i bought it in 2009 though, so doe not really count in 2010 as a buy, in 2010 i have and will buy only 360 games, nothing on PS3 interest me at all

So, please someone explain how that is possible ? I mean if PS3 has so amazing software as the TC suggests, would have something for me to buy in 2010 too, and does not

So, howcan that be explained ?

360 still beats the PS3 this year with overall library. IMO of course. GoW3 and HR were gems though.

h575309