Lets hide the fact GW2 scored 9IGN 9Gamespot and is GOTY.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] No, the gameplay in those games is the focus. What you just said does not make sense, or you are just being stubborn because you know that I am right.Heirren

so mmos are not focused on gameplay :?

that is probably the most idiotic thing I've heard on system wars in a quite a while

[QUOTE="Badosh"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Its not GOTY because its an MMO, they arent made to be fun, they are made to keep you playing.

crimsonman1245

I had 250 days played time on Everquest, and 30 days played time on WoW, 99% of those games are not enjoyable.

Why no love? Because its not on console?

If this was a console exclusive 9 score game. Their would be a graphics king thread of bullshots, a Domination thread, game of the year thread, and a bacon thread. Halo 4 is not even out and i've seen these threads already.

PC gamers why you no system wars?

PCgameruk

I don't understand why people on this board don't like or talk about the game. Its the same with non retail downloadable games...this forum seems to hate them to. I don't get it.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="rilpas"]so?rilpas

quite the contrary, mmos are superior to non-mmos

[QUOTE="PCgameruk"]

Why no love? Because its not on console?

If this was a console exclusive 9 score game. Their would be a graphics king thread of bullshots, a Domination thread, game of the year thread, and a bacon thread. Halo 4 is not even out and i've seen these threads already.

PC gamers why you no system wars?

Midnightshade29

I don't understand why people on this board don't like or talk about the game. Its the same with non retail downloadable games...this forum seems to hate them to. I don't get it.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] It's an inferior genre.parkurtommo

quite the contrary, mmos are superior to non-mmos

so you're saying wow, a game that is almost 10 years old has poor graphics? :o

I never would have guessed

and again, I wasn't aware that everyone who plays mmos is on the #1 guild, has the best loot, the best build for his/her class and could solo every major dungeon

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] It's an inferior genre.parkurtommo

quite the contrary, mmos are superior to non-mmos

Not to mention the outdated graphics in mmo's like wow and lotr online (The only mmo with decent graphics and art style I've seen is guild wars 2...).

also, your immersion argument makes as much sense as saying the immersion in say, skyrim, is ruined because a lot of people talk about it. if anything, having thousands of human beings living and interacting within the same world as you brings the world to life. no need to rely on lifeless NPCs to randomly appear when you're in trouble against a tough secret boss you found hidden in a cave, A PLAYER came out of nowhere and, after an epic struggle, the two of you took it down, without sharing a word until then.

sure, those stories can happen in single player games, but when you tell that story to your friends, their reaction is either "oh yeah, i've done that part already" or "nice, can't wait to get to it". it's not the same thing.

it's those stories that get created in an MMO, those stories that bring the world to life, and those stories that give MMOs the potential (rarely, if ever, achieved) to be the best, most immersive games.

and that's why i kept playing them. looking for the game that would fulfill the potential. and GW2 is exactly that game, and that's exactly why TC wants to see more discussion.

[and again, I wasn't aware that everyone who plays mmos is on the #1 guild, has the best loot, the best build for his/her class and could solo every major dungeon

rilpas

[QUOTE="Badosh"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]I had 250 days played time on Everquest, and 30 days played time on WoW, 99% of those games are not enjoyable. adamosmaki

its a paradox man its a paradox. You would have thought if he didnt enjoy them would have stoped after 10-15 days at most unless you he is a masochist( and that is pushing it doing something you dont enjoy but whatever lets say we believe him )

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

quite the contrary, mmos are superior to non-mmos

rilpas

so you're saying wow, a game that is almost 10 years old has poor graphics? :o

I never would have guessed

and again, I wasn't aware that everyone who plays mmos is on the #1 guild, has the best loot, the best build for his/her class and could solo every major dungeon

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

so mmos are not focused on gameplay :?

that is probably the most idiotic thing I've heard on system wars in a quite a while

rilpas

I'm guessing that's why everyone who plays mmos always has a guild that is #1 on PvP, has the best loot, the best skill build and is on the max level in every mmo right?

try again

Edit: And waht exactly is this cult following across a niche demographic? that could pretty much be applied to every sucessful game :|

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] It's an inferior genre.parkurtommo

quite the contrary, mmos are superior to non-mmos

You're looking at it from a single player perspective. I've always viewed quests in MMOs as a training until you finish them and become fully accustomed with the game. After that, you make your own quests/goals to accomplish, or events with your guild. It can be a incredibly time consuming game (speaking in general here) with the right mindset.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[and again, I wasn't aware that everyone who plays mmos is on the #1 guild, has the best loot, the best build for his/her class and could solo every major dungeon

BrunoBRS

so, I'm just saying, I wasn't aware every mmo player was the best PvPer and had the best loot in the game

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] No, the focus is on social interaction, which is why they are so popular and maintain cult followings across a niche demographic. Heirren

I'm guessing that's why everyone who plays mmos always has a guild that is #1 on PvP, has the best loot, the best skill build and is on the max level in every mmo right?

try again

Edit: And waht exactly is this cult following across a niche demographic? that could pretty much be applied to every sucessful game :|

and how exactly are mmos a nice/cult following if wow has over 10 million players and if guild wars 2 sold 2 million in two days :|

I guess by that logic Metroid is a niche game

Yes, people play MMOs for the social interaction. The niche/cult following is very akin to the die hard, fighting game only crowd. Heirren

The MMOG genre (massive multiplayer online games, not just MMORPGs) is probably the most popular genre on Earth. I can't even begin to comprehend the aproximate number of people playing every single one of them (and there are hundreats of popular ones) at any given time. F*k, i remember a statistic report about all versions of Perfect World combined having roughly 50 million total registered users back a few years ago.

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Its an MMO.

They are rated with lower standards.

Deal with it.

Rocker6

Proof?

Besides lvl 1-16 Sith Inquisitor in ToRtanic, which is actually fun alone, but BW dropped the ball and threw away a great idea in favor of making a typical worthless MMO story instead of continued focus on the characters'.

As much as MMO's are social, it doesn't excuse the garbage gameplay/presentation when alone, it's not like everyone wants to level in a mindless swarm while button mashing, some people enjoy story/mechanics. (also the reason I hate group PvP, the mechanics stop functioning and it just devolves into a mindless slug-fest insta gibbing people)

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Yes, people play MMOs for the social interaction. The niche/cult following is very akin to the die hard, fighting game only crowd. Lucianu

The MMOG genre (massive multiplayer online games, not just MMORPGs) is probably the most popular genre on Earth. I can't even begin to comprehend the aproximate number of people playing every single one of them (and there are hundreats of popular ones) at any given time. F*k, i remember a statistic report about all versions of Perfect World combined having roughly 50 million total registered users back a few years ago.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

[and again, I wasn't aware that everyone who plays mmos is on the #1 guild, has the best loot, the best build for his/her class and could solo every major dungeon

rilpas

so, I'm just saying, I wasn't aware every mmo player was the best PvPer and had the best loot in the game

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

quite the contrary, mmos are superior to non-mmos

BrunoBRS

Not to mention the outdated graphics in mmo's like wow and lotr online (The only mmo with decent graphics and art style I've seen is guild wars 2...).

also, your immersion argument makes as much sense as saying the immersion in say, skyrim, is ruined because a lot of people talk about it. if anything, having thousands of human beings living and interacting within the same world as you brings the world to life. no need to rely on lifeless NPCs to randomly appear when you're in trouble against a tough secret boss you found hidden in a cave, A PLAYER came out of nowhere and, after an epic struggle, the two of you took it down, without sharing a word until then.

sure, those stories can happen in single player games, but when you tell that story to your friends, their reaction is either "oh yeah, i've done that part already" or "nice, can't wait to get to it". it's not the same thing.

it's those stories that get created in an MMO, those stories that bring the world to life, and those stories that give MMOs the potential (rarely, if ever, achieved) to be the best, most immersive games.

and that's why i kept playing them. looking for the game that would fulfill the potential. and GW2 is exactly that game, and that's exactly why TC wants to see more discussion.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Yes, people play MMOs for the social interaction. The niche/cult following is very akin to the die hard, fighting game only crowd. rilpas

The MMOG genre (massive multiplayer online games, not just MMORPGs) is probably the most popular genre on Earth. I can't even begin to comprehend the aproximate number of people playing every single one of them (and there are hundreats of popular ones) at any given time. F*k, i remember a statistic report about all versions of Perfect World combined having roughly 50 million total registered users back a few years ago.

Well to be fair, total registered users =/= players in game, but hell, what it does mean is that they were interested enough to register and try it out. Which is still a valid rebuttalto Heirren's claim about MMOs being niche.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Yes, people play MMOs for the social interaction. The niche/cult following is very akin to the die hard, fighting game only crowd. Lucianu

The MMOG genre (massive multiplayer online games, not just MMORPGs) is probably the most popular genre on Earth. I can't even begin to comprehend the aproximate number of people playing every single one of them (and there are hundreats of popular ones) at any given time. F*k, i remember a statistic report about all versions of Perfect World combined having roughly 50 million total registered users back a few years ago.

I've enjoyed what I played but I ended up giving my account away to a friend who was in a pickle for cash and good games.

I just have too many other single player games to keep up with an MMO

PC gamers are too busy playing great exclusives like Orcs Must Die 2, Torchlight 2 and Guild Wars 2. All great exclusives that came out in the past 2 months, plus all the superior multiplats like Sleeping Dogs. They don't have time to create lots of threads like console gamers do.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]Yes, people play MMOs for the social interaction. The niche/cult following is very akin to the die hard, fighting game only crowd. Heirren

The MMOG genre (massive multiplayer online games, not just MMORPGs) is probably the most popular genre on Earth. I can't even begin to comprehend the aproximate number of people playing every single one of them (and there are hundreats of popular ones) at any given time. F*k, i remember a statistic report about all versions of Perfect World combined having roughly 50 million total registered users back a few years ago.

there are tons of people who only play shooters, or strategy games or RPGs

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]No they are most certainly not. All MMO's are inferior because the feeling of accomplishment is completely nullified by the amount of other players. Did you finish a quest? Good boy, you seem to be the 103408040468486th person to do so! The ubiquity of human presence in mmos completely hinders any sort of fun. The way how quest objectives are streamlined and automatically spawned in artificial ways, it takes away any sort of immersion you could possibly get from such a game.

Not to mention the outdated graphics in mmo's like wow and lotr online (The only mmo with decent graphics and art style I've seen is guild wars 2...).parkurtommo

also, your immersion argument makes as much sense as saying the immersion in say, skyrim, is ruined because a lot of people talk about it. if anything, having thousands of human beings living and interacting within the same world as you brings the world to life. no need to rely on lifeless NPCs to randomly appear when you're in trouble against a tough secret boss you found hidden in a cave, A PLAYER came out of nowhere and, after an epic struggle, the two of you took it down, without sharing a word until then.

sure, those stories can happen in single player games, but when you tell that story to your friends, their reaction is either "oh yeah, i've done that part already" or "nice, can't wait to get to it". it's not the same thing.

it's those stories that get created in an MMO, those stories that bring the world to life, and those stories that give MMOs the potential (rarely, if ever, achieved) to be the best, most immersive games.

and that's why i kept playing them. looking for the game that would fulfill the potential. and GW2 is exactly that game, and that's exactly why TC wants to see more discussion.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]which happens to be the game this thread is talking about.

also, your immersion argument makes as much sense as saying the immersion in say, skyrim, is ruined because a lot of people talk about it. if anything, having thousands of human beings living and interacting within the same world as you brings the world to life. no need to rely on lifeless NPCs to randomly appear when you're in trouble against a tough secret boss you found hidden in a cave, A PLAYER came out of nowhere and, after an epic struggle, the two of you took it down, without sharing a word until then.

sure, those stories can happen in single player games, but when you tell that story to your friends, their reaction is either "oh yeah, i've done that part already" or "nice, can't wait to get to it". it's not the same thing.

it's those stories that get created in an MMO, those stories that bring the world to life, and those stories that give MMOs the potential (rarely, if ever, achieved) to be the best, most immersive games.

and that's why i kept playing them. looking for the game that would fulfill the potential. and GW2 is exactly that game, and that's exactly why TC wants to see more discussion.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] It doesn't matter if it's a social experience, it lacks the variety and quality of a single player game. Of course, it all comes down to preference in this case. I'm guessing mmo players play mmos for the social aspect (which still doesn't make much sense to me), I just play games to see what the developers have accomplished and to leave it at that, and occasionally play a competitive shooter if I want any sort of online interactivity. I'll just leave this here: http://youtu.be/RpqNQCV2TX4?t=6m55sparkurtommo

I love the intelligence in this thread. If it's not anything I like then it's not a game.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

The MMOG genre (massive multiplayer online games, not just MMORPGs) is probably the most popular genre on Earth. I can't even begin to comprehend the aproximate number of people playing every single one of them (and there are hundreats of popular ones) at any given time. F*k, i remember a statistic report about all versions of Perfect World combined having roughly 50 million total registered users back a few years ago.

rilpas

there are tons of people who only play shooters, or strategy games or RPGs

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] once again, i feel forced to bring up the game that this thread was originally about. at 200 hours and with still half the world left to see, the "single player with optional co-op" story to finish, and a crapton of dungeons left to do, i can guarantee that few games can pack as much quality content as guild wars 2, single player or not.rilpas

It doesn't matter if it's a social experience, it lacks the variety and quality of a single player game. Of course, it all comes down to preference in this case. I'm guessing mmo players play mmos for the social aspect (which still doesn't make much sense to me), I just play games to see what the developers have accomplished and to leave it at that, and occasionally play a competitive shooter if I want any sort of online interactivity. I'll just leave this here: http://youtu.be/RpqNQCV2TX4?t=6m55sparkurtommo

I play MMOs because no other genre quite rewards exploration like MMOs do. I love exploring fictional worlds and even the single-player games with 'large maps' are tiny compared to a competent MMO (with the possible exception of Daggerfall, but randomonly generated trees for miles and miles doesn't really count IMO).

The last MMO I actually joined a guild in was Asherons Call, and that was way back in 2001. Since then I've played through them mostly solo, and when I do interact with the player base it is simply to sell or aqcuire things.

IMO Ultima Online in its first year is the best MMO ever released. My toon would only fight in self-defense, otherwise all he did was mine ore, smelt ore and make $hit. Eventually he even had his own little store right behind the inn in Yew. May sound boring to you, but for some of us, the chance to do something productive in a game and not be a hero is a great change of pace from the typical 'save the world' B.S.

[QUOTE="PCgameruk"]

Why no love? Because its not on console?

If this was a console exclusive 9 score game. Their would be a graphics king thread of bullshots, a Domination thread, game of the year thread, and a bacon thread. Halo 4 is not even out and i've seen these threads already.

PC gamers why you no system wars?

nervmeister

Dark Millenium is dead, it's being converted into a singleplayer RPG I'm sure Sushington would like this info

So basically quantity >quality? I much prefer something as short as Journey (2 hours) over 100 hours of grinding, or of whatever competitive stuff you can do in guild wars 2.parkurtommo

Funny that you mention grinding, because I have yet to find any. 150 hours into the game with 75% of the world explored and still a lot of side things like platforming bits or story dungeons that I have yet to touch with no grind in sight.Oh and you can make a character and be into the organized PvP within 15 minutes, which gives you the same gear as everyone else and unlcoks all skills.

Of course if you played the game at all you would have known all of this since its not hard to miss.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] It doesn't matter if it's a social experience, it lacks the variety and quality of a single player game. Of course, it all comes down to preference in this case. I'm guessing mmo players play mmos for the social aspect (which still doesn't make much sense to me), I just play games to see what the developers have accomplished and to leave it at that, and occasionally play a competitive shooter if I want any sort of online interactivity. I'll just leave this here: http://youtu.be/RpqNQCV2TX4?t=6m55sparkurtommo

Grinding? In Gw2? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

It's an MMO :lol:!!!Sushiglutton

This. Was it an SP RPG and I'd be interested but an MMO is a no no for me. They get repetitive very fast.

Also Journey is the highest rated game thus far in the year so its GOTY :P

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="PCgameruk"]

Why no love? Because its not on console?

If this was a console exclusive 9 score game. Their would be a graphics king thread of bullshots, a Domination thread, game of the year thread, and a bacon thread. Halo 4 is not even out and i've seen these threads already.

PC gamers why you no system wars?

NoodleFighter

Dark Millenium is dead, it's being converted into a singleplayer RPG I'm sure Sushington would like this info

It's an MMO :lol:!!!Sushiglutton

1. WoW got GOTY.

2. Many MMO's require more skill than the game in your sig. Alot more skill.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]It's an MMO :lol:!!!Jankarcop

1. WoW got GOTY.

2. Many MMO's require more skill than the game in your sig. Alot more skill.

1. So? He's not saying that MMO are bad. He just probably isnt interested in them. I'm the same (and yes, I've played MMO before. I even played the 1st GW a long time ago)

2. Where did he even mentioned anything about skill?

Why no love? Because its not on console?

If this was a console exclusive 9 score game. Their would be a graphics king thread of bullshots, a Domination thread, game of the year thread, and a bacon thread. Halo 4 is not even out and i've seen these threads already.

PC gamers why you no system wars?

PCgameruk

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]It's an MMO :lol:!!!Jankarcop

1. WoW got GOTY.

2. Many MMO's require more skill than the game in your sig. Alot more skill.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]No they are most certainly not. All MMO's are inferior because the feeling of accomplishment is completely nullified by the amount of other players. Did you finish a quest? Good boy, you seem to be the 103408040468486th person to do so! The ubiquity of human presence in mmos completely hinders any sort of fun. The way how quest objectives are streamlined and automatically spawned in artificial ways, it takes away any sort of immersion you could possibly get from such a game.

Not to mention the outdated graphics in mmo's like wow and lotr online (The only mmo with decent graphics and art style I've seen is guild wars 2...).parkurtommo

also, your immersion argument makes as much sense as saying the immersion in say, skyrim, is ruined because a lot of people talk about it. if anything, having thousands of human beings living and interacting within the same world as you brings the world to life. no need to rely on lifeless NPCs to randomly appear when you're in trouble against a tough secret boss you found hidden in a cave, A PLAYER came out of nowhere and, after an epic struggle, the two of you took it down, without sharing a word until then.

sure, those stories can happen in single player games, but when you tell that story to your friends, their reaction is either "oh yeah, i've done that part already" or "nice, can't wait to get to it". it's not the same thing.

it's those stories that get created in an MMO, those stories that bring the world to life, and those stories that give MMOs the potential (rarely, if ever, achieved) to be the best, most immersive games.

and that's why i kept playing them. looking for the game that would fulfill the potential. and GW2 is exactly that game, and that's exactly why TC wants to see more discussion.

Because PC gamers don't boast about games like console players do. About hardware maybe or multiplats, but that's just to annoy more than anything. When a proper PC exclusive comes out and scores well, we just play it

Total biscuit Quote:

"MMORPGs sacrifice great story telling (HEs playing borederlands for gods sake.) Sacrifice choices (Your social interactions are much more important than what you fk**ing say to NPCs... get a grip.) Sacrifice Complex Gameplay (Yet MMOs are more complex than Single Player RPGs,)

The mans an idiot that spends too much time half-reviewing games and not actually playing them.

MMOs are about the social interaction yes, but many MANY love the gameplay, repetitive or not, I can say Final Fantasy is repetitive all you do is ATTACk > Cure and the occasional off-spell/limit whatever.

I can say most Bioware style RPGs have like 5 moves per character the entire game and the gameplay is flat.

MMO's (good ones) are much more complex, and then there is the whole team element that adds a layer (and pvp) to MMO-RPGs that single player crap cannot even touch.

Its fine to like story in your games but get a grip. the man is talking out of his a**.

You think we play MMOs because its not fun and we just want to chat to people? how can you be so dull.MBirdy88

And mechanically, MMO's are still sitting on lock on + spam abilities and leashing ai-less npc's.

probably didn't win GOTY because ....... there are better games?

It's sad that consoles are getting more love than PC.

Consolites are what is wrong with this world.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Total biscuit Quote:

"MMORPGs sacrifice great story telling (HEs playing borederlands for gods sake.) Sacrifice choices (Your social interactions are much more important than what you fk**ing say to NPCs... get a grip.) Sacrifice Complex Gameplay (Yet MMOs are more complex than Single Player RPGs,)

The mans an idiot that spends too much time half-reviewing games and not actually playing them.

MMOs are about the social interaction yes, but many MANY love the gameplay, repetitive or not, I can say Final Fantasy is repetitive all you do is ATTACk > Cure and the occasional off-spell/limit whatever.

I can say most Bioware style RPGs have like 5 moves per character the entire game and the gameplay is flat.

MMO's (good ones) are much more complex, and then there is the whole team element that adds a layer (and pvp) to MMO-RPGs that single player crap cannot even touch.

Its fine to like story in your games but get a grip. the man is talking out of his a**.

You think we play MMOs because its not fun and we just want to chat to people? how can you be so dull.Inconsistancy

And mechanically, MMO's are still sitting on lock on + spam abilities and leashing ai-less npc's.

Meh, not my type of game