Lets not get confused here...the PS3 is still in LAST place...

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="DarkCloud79"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="roadkill88"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]"Killzone 2 will make sales explode"... :lol:

"the wii fad is running out of steam"... :lol:

Those aren't reason's... They're fanboy lunacy.. :lol:

DarkCloud79

I said the Wii fad WILL run out of steam. Hey, why ignore 90% of my post? Points to difficult to deal with? Truth hurt like I said?

90% of your post is fanboy speculation...

Fact: The wii outsells the PS3.

Fact: The 360 outsells the PS3 in N.A (with the exception of Jan 08) and It still holds an 8 million lead over the PS3 18 million vs. 11 million(Excluding Europe sales since we really don't have accurate #'s.. And don't even think about quoting Vgchartz).

Fact: The 360 software sales completely **** on the PS3 software sales in NA.. And neither system is touching the wii over in Japan.

Fact: PS3 fanboys brag about upcoming games when they don't even buy the current ones... Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword ect... All great games... All have been out for months... Neither is even close to being a million seller(Maybe Ratchet).

Fact: Your entire post = "...Just wait"

:lol:

Math skills FTW.

Well if you want to get "technical" it's a 7 million lead...

It's not as "technical" as you may think.

18-11=7, plain and simple.

"Technical" would be saying that the average PS3 owner spent more on software this month than the average x360 owner.

So we're going to get into a math argument now.. :|

Continuing with the OP Topic..

Yea well how come it was so easy for me to find a Wii?

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25837541

Posted this a while back, so yea...

CWEBB04z

FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

can i use this as my signature plz? lol

skanjos

FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

can i use this as my signature plz? lol

17.7 million for the 360 compared to 10. 4 million for the PS3 (before jan's numbers) That's a little more than 5 million buddyOhSnapitz

1) Produce proof that 17.7 Million xBOX 360's have been sold, as opposed to shipped.

2) Now remove 33%.

3) My point remains, which you have ignored - The Xbox 360 has always been cheaper and has all of its big guns released, yet only manages 5,000,000 more. It has also been out longer, yet only manage 5,000,000 more.

120 million users last genOhSnapitz

And? Your point is?

the PS3 is sitting far behind it's competition with 10.4.. hmm I'd say people saying Bluray doesn't matter may not be too far off..OhSnapitz

10.4 is nowhere near 'far behind', first of all, because:

1) It was released later than any other console, for the 900th time.

2) It was more expensive.

3) It endured the biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) It had no 'big games' released.

5) Its competition was going through the strongest period in its life.

Now, considering those points, for the competition to feel safe, the PS3 would have had to have sold a LOT less than 10,000,000 by now.

Now, additionally, are you trying to tell me Blu-Ray won't have a huge positive impact on PS3 sales from late 2008 onwards? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Oh so that explains why PS3 games sell like ****! Uncharted sold 300k units after 2 months on the market, during the holiday season, with games very little games on the platform.. Lost Planet for the 360 sold 400k its first MONTH! Don't get in an argument about software sales with the 360.. YOU'D LOSE!!!OhSnapitz

Wait wait wait, you just quoted a point that was made about DISC SPACE. Now, I'll happily address your point about sales, but lets see you answer the point made, instead of quoting it then leading off in your own personal direction/rant.

Again more speculation... You have no idea what will happen when MGS4 comes out.. The 360 could be $200 by that time with more killer apps announced.. The wii could have dropped to $200 and sales skyrocket even further... You cows and your "..just wait" arguments are moving far past comical now..OhSnapitz

Are you denying that MGS4 will sell huge on PS3? Yes or no.

You presented games that aren't even out yet... Any fanboy group can do that... "Hey look FF Crystal Chronicles with be teh AAA and best game EVA!!!" Bottom line.. Halo 3 sold 5 million copies in 4 months... What PS3 game even came close to that feat... nuff said!OhSnapitz

I presented games that aren't even out yet - because I'm talking about the FUTURE. Dahuuhhh. Or are you trying to tell me the console war is now finished? This is what I love about Xbox 360 fanboys - because they KNOW they're going to get annihilated in the future, we aren't allowed to talk about the future, as if it was irrelevant.

Nothing in life, NOTHING, is more relevant than what is to come.

yeah...not gonna try to stick quotes in your quotes so... ill number my reply'sdarkmagician06

Translation: I was heavily owned, and I will not engage in a direct debate because I don't want to be destroyed even further, thus I'll avoid a direct debate by creating broad bullet-points so that all of the points I was refuted on can quietly slip through.

1. Blu-ray never mattered...blu-ray =/= DVDdarkmagician06

First of all, on the Blu-Ray point - I made four points. Here, you've chosen to only (weakly) respond to one of them. Well? When can I expect returns on the other points made? Did you think I wouldn't notice you quietly dropping them? Now, onto the one point you did attempt, Blu-Ray not mattering:

1) Blu-Ray will replace DVD in time. Of course it matters. People who want to buy/rent Blu-Ray DVD's will buy a PS3 because of it. This will make sales explode, just like DVD with the PS2.

2) Blu-Ray has more disc storage for games.

2. The lead is actually closer to 8 million and that is no small number my good friend.darkmagician06

First of all, proof for the 8 million lead. Now, even if it was leading by 8 Million - its too little too late because:

1) The PS3 was released later than any other console, for the 900th time.

2) It was more expensive.

3) It endured the biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) It had no 'big games' released.

5) Its competition was going through the strongest period in its life.

3. once again blu-ray will not cause devs to not make games for the 360 plain and simple. they will put it on 2 disks just to get it on the platform to make some cashdarkmagician06

Just like Square didn't abandon the N64 because of disc space? lol@ denying new generations need more disc space. So according to you? games will never get bigger? We've levelled out at DVD9? As for using multiple discs, devs like Rockstar aren't going to go for that. Imagine GTA 5 with 3 discs. All aircraft vehicles need disc 2, LOL.

4. see above does apply because you used the exact same argument over and over. (x game will make sales explode, y games will make sales explode, z game will make sales explode)darkmagician06

Sorry, what? Which point are you even refuting here? I can't tell, because you aren't man enough to get into a direct debate.

5. LOL wow. 33% death rate? try 16% and even then the general public doesnt know about that.darkmagician06

Everyone knows the death rate is 33%. LOL@ trying to halve it.

also saying halo 3 is overrated is exactly my point NO game had as much hype as halo 3. it had so many pre-orders alone. so if halo couldnt do it those 5 games combine dont equal the total hype for halo 3.darkmagician06

This is just a pathetic fanboy rant - that Halo 3 is bigger than MGS4, Killzone, Resistance and LBP. Seriously, stop embarassing yourself.

6. also gears is all the xbox needs because it will sell more than the top 10 PS3 games coming out combined. even then there are other games besides gearsdarkmagician06

LOL. I'm trying to have a serious debate here.

7. final fantasy hasnt sold systems since FF7 get over it. FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

darkmagician06

Lost Odyssey> ff13? Sure.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]17.7 million for the 360 compared to 10. 4 million for the PS3 (before jan's numbers) That's a little more than 5 million buddyroadkill88

1) Produce proof that 17.7 Million xBOX 360's have been sold, as opposed to shipped.

2) Now remove 33%.

3) My point remains, which you have ignored - The Xbox 360 has always been cheaper and has all of its big guns released, yet only manages 5,000,000 more. It has also been out longer, yet only manage 5,000,000 more.

M$ has announced that it sold 17.7 million units, JUST LIKE SONY ANNOUNCED IT SOLD 10.4... It's ok to use sony's numbers but not M$'s..??? Don't be a hypocrite...

120 million users last genOhSnapitz

And? Your point is?

Randing quoting of one part of my text with nothing to add... moving on.

the PS3 is sitting far behind it's competition with 10.4.. hmm I'd say people saying Bluray doesn't matter may not be too far off..OhSnapitz

10.4 is nowhere near 'far behind', first of all, because:

1) It was released later than any other console, for the 900th time.

2) It was more expensive.

3) It endured the biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) It had no 'big games' released.

5) Its competition was going through the strongest period in its life.

Now, considering those points, for the competition to feel safe, the PS3 would have had to have sold a LOT less than 10,000,000 by now.

Now, additionally, are you trying to tell me Blu-Ray won't have a huge positive impact on PS3 sales from late 2008 onwards? A simple yes or no will suffice.

You're telling me that a 7 million unit lead "isn't that far behind"... Whatever helps you slept at night buddy... :?

btw, I don't make predictions on future events like this... No one saw the wii being this successful.. No one saw XBL taking off as fast as it did... There are entirely too many variables to make statements like that... Cows would be wise to heed that..

Oh so that explains why PS3 games sell like ****! Uncharted sold 300k units after 2 months on the market, during the holiday season, with games very little games on the platform.. Lost Planet for the 360 sold 400k its first MONTH! Don't get in an argument about software sales with the 360.. YOU'D LOSE!!!OhSnapitz

Wait wait wait, you just quoted a point that was made about DISC SPACE. Now, I'll happily address your point about sales, but lets see you answer the point made, instead of quoting it then leading off in your own personal direction/rant.

What I stated was the truth about PS3 software... ITS NOT SELLING. Now devert away from what I said all you want... but it doesn't change the facts..

Again more speculation... You have no idea what will happen when MGS4 comes out.. The 360 could be $200 by that time with more killer apps announced.. The wii could have dropped to $200 and sales skyrocket even further... You cows and your "..just wait" arguments are moving far past comical now..OhSnapitz

Are you denying that MGS4 will sell huge on PS3? Yes or no.

As I said before I don't own a crystal ball (like soooooo many cows seem to) I can't make that call...

You presented games that aren't even out yet... Any fanboy group can do that... "Hey look FF Crystal Chronicles with be teh AAA and best game EVA!!!" Bottom line.. Halo 3 sold 5 million copies in 4 months... What PS3 game even came close to that feat... nuff said!OhSnapitz

I presented games that aren't even out yet - because I'm talking about the FUTURE. Dahuuhhh. Or are you trying to tell me the console war is now finished? This is what I love about Xbox 360 fanboys - because they KNOW they're going to get annihilated in the future, we aren't allowed to talk about the future, as if it was irrelevant.

Did I say that the console war is finished? I'm stating FACTS plain and simple... while you make crystal ball predictions.. You keep clicking your heels dorthy...

Nothing in life, NOTHING, is more relevant than what is to come.

...Yes except turing a blind eye to the past and the present.

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]Sorry I felt the need to make this thread because i keep hearing that the PS3 had "won the war" which is so not true. The PS3 is still in last place and by a lot too. Also I seriously doubt the PS3 can catch up at all. Thank you that is allroadkill88

And how long do you think that will last? It has 10 Million. Already. Despite:

1) Having a split launch, in PAL territories it isn't even 1 year old yet.

2) High price tag.

3) The biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) Going up against the 360 in its prime - Halo 3, Bioshock etc

5) Having no big guns released yet.

6) Blu-Ray being uncertain to the average consumer still.

Now, having taken those factors into consideration, consider this:

1) Its now cheaper, and will only get cheaper.

2) Blu-Ray has won, people will want a machine to play Blu-Ray movies, one with upgradeable firmware too.

3) Developers will want a machine with large disc space more and more.

4) Developers will want a machine with a standard HDD.

5) MGS4 will make sales explode.

6) Resistance 2 will make sales explode.

7) Home will make sales explode.

8) Killzone 2 will make sales explode.

9) LBP will make sales explode.

10) GTA IV will make sales explode - sorry, but to the 'casual gamer', GTA is still a 'Playstation game bra'

11) The 360 has blown its load, its already thrown its biggest punches.

12) The Wii fad will run out of steam.

13) 120,000,000 PS2 users, bored with their machine, will eventually want to upgrade. They'll pick a PS3, especially for the reasons listed.

14) Final Fantasy will make sales explode.

Need I go on? The PS3 is all set to annihilate all comers, just like the PS1/PS2. Its barely 18 Months into its ten year life, meanwhile its main competition is already half way through its own, where its second half will be very, very difficult for it.

Truth hurts.

Lets not get confused here... The Wii is still in LAST place...

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 15 (8 )
• Xbox 360: 13 (4)
• PS3: 8 (0)
• Wii: 4 (3)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 73 (50)
• Xbox 360: 57 (10)
• PS3: 32 (4)
• Wii: 15 (5)

Lets not get confused here... The Wii is still in LAST place...

Total AAA (# exclusive)

• PC: 15 (8 )
• Xbox 360: 13 (4)
• PS3: 8 (0)
• Wii: 4 (3)

Total AA (# exclusive)

• PC: 73 (50)
• Xbox 360: 57 (10)
• PS3: 32 (4)
• Wii: 15 (5)

II-FBIsniper-II

the 360 is last now, ok. thats allsamiup

skanjos

FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

can i use this as my signature plz? lol

Let me get some of whatever you are smoking on.

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="roadkill88"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]"Killzone 2 will make sales explode"... :lol:

"the wii fad is running out of steam"... :lol:

Those aren't reason's... They're fanboy lunacy.. :lol:

OhSnapitz

I said the Wii fad WILL run out of steam. Hey, why ignore 90% of my post? Points to difficult to deal with? Truth hurt like I said?

90% of your post is fanboy speculation...

Fact: The wii outsells the PS3.

Fact: The 360 outsells the PS3 in N.A (with the exception of Jan 08) and It still holds an 8 million lead over the PS3 18 million vs. 11 million(Excluding Europe sales since we really don't have accurate #'s.. And don't even think about quoting Vgchartz).

Fact: The 360 software sales completely **** on the PS3 software sales in NA.. And neither system is touching the wii over in Japan.

Fact: PS3 fanboys brag about upcoming games when they don't even buy the current ones... Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword ect... All great games... All have been out for months... Neither is even close to being a million seller(Maybe Ratchet).

Fact: Your entire post = "...Just wait"

:lol:

Math skills FTW.

Well if you want to get "technical" it's a 7 million lead...

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]yeah...not gonna try to stick quotes in your quotes so... ill number my reply'sroadkill88

Translation: I was heavily owned, and I will not engage in a direct debate because I don't want to be destroyed even further, thus I'll avoid a direct debate by creating broad bullet-points so that all of the points I was refuted on can quietly slip through.

1. Blu-ray never mattered...blu-ray =/= DVDdarkmagician06

First of all, on the Blu-Ray point - I made four points. Here, you've chosen to only (weakly) respond to one of them. Well? When can I expect returns on the other points made? Did you think I wouldn't notice you quietly dropping them? Now, onto the one point you did attempt, Blu-Ray not mattering:

1) Blu-Ray will replace DVD in time. Of course it matters. People who want to buy/rent Blu-Ray DVD's will buy a PS3 because of it. This will make sales explode, just like DVD with the PS2.

2) Blu-Ray has more disc storage for games.

2. The lead is actually closer to 8 million and that is no small number my good friend.darkmagician06

First of all, proof for the 8 million lead. Now, even if it was leading by 8 Million - its too little too late because:

1) The PS3 was released later than any other console, for the 900th time.

2) It was more expensive.

3) It endured the biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) It had no 'big games' released.

5) Its competition was going through the strongest period in its life.

3. once again blu-ray will not cause devs to not make games for the 360 plain and simple. they will put it on 2 disks just to get it on the platform to make some cashdarkmagician06

Just like Square didn't abandon the N64 because of disc space? lol@ denying new generations need more disc space. So according to you? games will never get bigger? We've levelled out at DVD9? As for using multiple discs, devs like Rockstar aren't going to go for that. Imagine GTA 5 with 3 discs. All aircraft vehicles need disc 2, LOL.

4. see above does apply because you used the exact same argument over and over. (x game will make sales explode, y games will make sales explode, z game will make sales explode)darkmagician06

Sorry, what? Which point are you even refuting here? I can't tell, because you aren't man enough to get into a direct debate.

5. LOL wow. 33% death rate? try 16% and even then the general public doesnt know about that.darkmagician06

Everyone knows the death rate is 33%. LOL@ trying to halve it.

also saying halo 3 is overrated is exactly my point NO game had as much hype as halo 3. it had so many pre-orders alone. so if halo couldnt do it those 5 games combine dont equal the total hype for halo 3.darkmagician06

This is just a pathetic fanboy rant - that Halo 3 is bigger than MGS4, Killzone, Resistance and LBP. Seriously, stop embarassing yourself.

6. also gears is all the xbox needs because it will sell more than the top 10 PS3 games coming out combined. even then there are other games besides gearsdarkmagician06

LOL. I'm trying to have a serious debate here.

7. final fantasy hasnt sold systems since FF7 get over it. FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

darkmagician06

Lost Odyssey> ff13? Sure.

1. ok ill reply to your other blu-ray points...later cause i gotta go

2. on the disk space issue...im not denying games get bigger at all. Just this gen blu-ray wasnt needed as much as it will be next gen. case in point most all but 2 360 games come on one disk and look just as good as ps3 games with the same amount of content. Also im pretty sure GTA4 is on a single disk on the 360 so yeah...

3. about the see above thing...i was just too lazy to copy and paste my response to the other games because it would have been the same that all...

4. failure rate is 16% ...FACT link http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/14/xbox-360-failure-rate-at-16-warranty-provider-reports/

5. no you stop embarassing yourself...halo 3 is bigger than killzone(flop), MSG4, Resistance and LBP(future flop) most people agree with me...only fanboys like yourself believe otherwise

6. ok it may not outsell the top 10 games but it will outsell the top 5 guranteed. you know why...the PS3 doesnt even have 10 good games

[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]yeah...not gonna try to stick quotes in your quotes so... ill number my reply'sdarkmagician06

Translation: I was heavily owned, and I will not engage in a direct debate because I don't want to be destroyed even further, thus I'll avoid a direct debate by creating broad bullet-points so that all of the points I was refuted on can quietly slip through.

1. Blu-ray never mattered...blu-ray =/= DVDdarkmagician06

First of all, on the Blu-Ray point - I made four points. Here, you've chosen to only (weakly) respond to one of them. Well? When can I expect returns on the other points made? Did you think I wouldn't notice you quietly dropping them? Now, onto the one point you did attempt, Blu-Ray not mattering:

1) Blu-Ray will replace DVD in time. Of course it matters. People who want to buy/rent Blu-Ray DVD's will buy a PS3 because of it. This will make sales explode, just like DVD with the PS2.

2) Blu-Ray has more disc storage for games.

2. The lead is actually closer to 8 million and that is no small number my good friend.darkmagician06

First of all, proof for the 8 million lead. Now, even if it was leading by 8 Million - its too little too late because:

1) The PS3 was released later than any other console, for the 900th time.

2) It was more expensive.

3) It endured the biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) It had no 'big games' released.

5) Its competition was going through the strongest period in its life.

3. once again blu-ray will not cause devs to not make games for the 360 plain and simple. they will put it on 2 disks just to get it on the platform to make some cashdarkmagician06

Just like Square didn't abandon the N64 because of disc space? lol@ denying new generations need more disc space. So according to you? games will never get bigger? We've levelled out at DVD9? As for using multiple discs, devs like Rockstar aren't going to go for that. Imagine GTA 5 with 3 discs. All aircraft vehicles need disc 2, LOL.

4. see above does apply because you used the exact same argument over and over. (x game will make sales explode, y games will make sales explode, z game will make sales explode)darkmagician06

Sorry, what? Which point are you even refuting here? I can't tell, because you aren't man enough to get into a direct debate.

5. LOL wow. 33% death rate? try 16% and even then the general public doesnt know about that.darkmagician06

Everyone knows the death rate is 33%. LOL@ trying to halve it.

also saying halo 3 is overrated is exactly my point NO game had as much hype as halo 3. it had so many pre-orders alone. so if halo couldnt do it those 5 games combine dont equal the total hype for halo 3.darkmagician06

This is just a pathetic fanboy rant - that Halo 3 is bigger than MGS4, Killzone, Resistance and LBP. Seriously, stop embarassing yourself.

6. also gears is all the xbox needs because it will sell more than the top 10 PS3 games coming out combined. even then there are other games besides gearsdarkmagician06

LOL. I'm trying to have a serious debate here.

7. final fantasy hasnt sold systems since FF7 get over it. FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

darkmagician06

Lost Odyssey> ff13? Sure.

1. ok ill reply to your other blu-ray points...later cause i gotta go

2. on the disk space issue...im not denying games get bigger at all. Just this gen blu-ray wasnt needed as much as it will be next gen. case in point most all but 2 360 games come on one disk and look just as good as ps3 games with the same amount of content. Also im pretty sure GTA4 is on a single disk on the 360 so yeah...

3. about the see above thing...i was just too lazy to copy and paste my response to the other games because it would have been the same that all...

4. failure rate is 16% ...FACT link http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/14/xbox-360-failure-rate-at-16-warranty-provider-reports/

5. no you stop embarassing yourself...halo 3 is bigger than killzone(flop), MSG4, Resistance and LBP(future flop) most people agree with me...only fanboys like yourself believe otherwise

6. ok it may not outsell the top 10 games but it will outsell the top 5 guranteed. you know why...the PS3 doesnt even have 10 good games

Your argument was pretty weak.

yeah...not gonna try to stick quotes in your quotes so... ill number my reply's

1. Blu-ray never mattered...blu-ray =/= DVD agreed... it didnt have the same impact as the DVD

2. The lead is actually closer to 8 million and that is no small number my good friend. theres a good reason for that... 1 year head start...
the 360 sold 18 million with 3 holiday seasons
the PS3 sold 10 million with only 2..
and this is actually a valid point especially since the 360 sold LESS units in 2007 then 2006 with all its biggest guns released...
you couldnt imagine my surprise when I heard about this

3. once again blu-ray will not cause devs to not make games for the 360 plain and simple. they will put it on 2 disks just to get it on the platform to make some cash although I agree with Blu-ray not stoping the 360 from getting good games, the multiple disks comment was retarded... you make it sound like its no problem... of course it is! it may be no problem with linear RPGs like LO and BD, but for just about any other type of genre... it is!
can you seriously imagine GTA in 2 disks? hell no. if youre implying that multiple disks are inevitable in the 360s future.. then the next GTA will be either:
a PS3 exclusive
or the 360 version will be the worst game in the history of multiplat games

4. see above does apply because you used the exact same argument over and over. (x game will make sales explode, y games will make sales explode, z game will make sales explode)

5. LOL wow. 33% death rate? try 16% and even then the general public doesnt know about that. also saying halo 3 is overrated is exactly my point NO game had as much hype as halo 3. it had so many pre-orders alone. so if halo couldnt do it those 5 games combine dont equal the total hype for halo 3. whatever all I know is the death rate is high... and the halo 3 thing is all opinion

6. also gears is all the xbox needs because it will sell more than the top 10 PS3 games coming out combined. even then there are other games besides gears LOL... see, THIS is denial.. not to sound like a fanboy but you completely underestimating the PS3s future library

7. final fantasy hasnt sold systems since FF7 get over it. FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13
thats because FF7 was the first FF on the PSone..
same thing with FF10 on the PS2
and the same thing will probably happen with FF13 on the PS3
LOL the rest is opinion
LO > FF13? you played it? LOL I doubt you ever will... for the simple fact that its a PS3 exclusive....sad...
again...denial

darkmagician06

PS3 is still in last place. that's true.

but it's on pace to pass 360's install base at least by 2009.

why? because 360's sales are already declining (in 2007 it sold almost 20% less than in 2006, and that was Halo 3's year), and MS doesn't offer much to increase it's sales. The 2008 lineup has a lot of great games... none as well-known and praised as the one's stated to release this year for the PS3.

Also, the PS3 has the Blu-ray drive, that'll push sales, Home is coming, etc...

Sorry I felt the need to make this thread because i keep hearing that the PS3 had "won the war" which is so not true. The PS3 is still in last place and by a lot too. Also I seriously doubt the PS3 can catch up at all. Thank you that is alldarkmagician06

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]Sorry I felt the need to make this thread because i keep hearing that the PS3 had "won the war" which is so not true. The PS3 is still in last place and by a lot too. Also I seriously doubt the PS3 can catch up at all. Thank you that is allroadkill88

And how long do you think that will last? It has 10 Million. Already. Despite:

1) Having a split launch, in PAL territories it isn't even 1 year old yet.

2) High price tag.

3) The biggest FUD campaign in history.

4) Going up against the 360 in its prime - Halo 3, Bioshock etc

5) Having no big guns released yet.

6) Blu-Ray being uncertain to the average consumer still.

Now, having taken those factors into consideration, consider this:

1) Its now cheaper, and will only get cheaper.

2) Blu-Ray has won, people will want a machine to play Blu-Ray movies, one with upgradeable firmware too.

3) Developers will want a machine with large disc space more and more.

4) Developers will want a machine with a standard HDD.

5) MGS4 will make sales explode.

6) Resistance 2 will make sales explode.

7) Home will make sales explode.

8) Killzone 2 will make sales explode.

9) LBP will make sales explode.

10) GTA IV will make sales explode - sorry, but to the 'casual gamer', GTA is still a 'Playstation game bra'

11) The 360 has blown its load, its already thrown its biggest punches.

12) The Wii fad will run out of steam.

13) 120,000,000 PS2 users, bored with their machine, will eventually want to upgrade. They'll pick a PS3, especially for the reasons listed.

14) Final Fantasy will make sales explode.

Need I go on? The PS3 is all set to annihilate all comers, just like the PS1/PS2. Its barely 18 Months into its ten year life, meanwhile its main competition is already half way through its own, where its second half will be very, very difficult for it.

Truth hurts.

Please Track Me back.

I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?Deiuos

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?u8muhrice

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

So please explain to me why the PS3 isn't moving software...

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?OhSnapitz

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

So please explain to me why the PS3 isn't moving software...

Simple, not too many great exclusives so far this year... MGS hasnt been released, Resistance 2, LBP, Tekken 6, Killzone, or even MGS Online.

The PS3 outsold Xbox this month (notice lemmings/cows, its not this year, but month) for whatever reason: wheter its bluray, games, reliablity, cheaper (debatable) or a combination of all of them

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?u8muhrice

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

So please explain to me why the PS3 isn't moving software...

Simple, not too many great exclusives so far this year... MGS hasnt been released, Resistance 2, LBP, Tekken 6, Killzone, or even MGS Online.

The PS3 outsold Xbox this month (notice lemmings/cows, its not this year, but month) for whatever reason: wheter its bluray, games, reliablity, cheaper (debatable) or a combination of all of them

Resistance, Rachet & Clank, Virtual Fighter 5, Heavenly Sword, Motor Storm, Unreal Tournament 3, Uncharted.. THose aren't "good" games... :|

Like I said, when the Wii hits 25 million sold, it will slow down, since all the Gamecube owners have bought there Wii's by that time.

I still don't believe the Wii will last long, The Casual market I know love shiny games (Graphics) They lovethe pretty looking games. The Casual market the Wii attracts the older generation (Family people). And the fact that next to Super Smash Bros (Which looks awesome) there aren't any games worth mentioning (dont even list Trauma Center).

The PS3 will catch up, as soon as people switch over, it takes time especially since its pretty expensive. and the Big Games are releasing soon.

CWEBB04z

Almost all the Wii owners I know have never heard of the Gamecube (dead serious). What does that say about your theory?

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

Like I said, when the Wii hits 25 million sold, it will slow down, since all the Gamecube owners have bought there Wii's by that time.

I still don't believe the Wii will last long, The Casual market I know love shiny games (Graphics) They lovethe pretty looking games. The Casual market the Wii attracts the older generation (Family people). And the fact that next to Super Smash Bros (Which looks awesome) there aren't any games worth mentioning (dont even list Trauma Center).

The PS3 will catch up, as soon as people switch over, it takes time especially since its pretty expensive. and the Big Games are releasing soon.

maabus99

Almost all the Wii owners I know have never heared of the Gamecube (dead serious). What does that say about your theory?

Please file his comments under article #7, catalog B, File 472,769,922 A "...Just wait".

Thank you. :)

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?OhSnapitz

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

So please explain to me why the PS3 isn't moving software...

Simple, not too many great exclusives so far this year... MGS hasnt been released, Resistance 2, LBP, Tekken 6, Killzone, or even MGS Online.

The PS3 outsold Xbox this month (notice lemmings/cows, its not this year, but month) for whatever reason: wheter its bluray, games, reliablity, cheaper (debatable) or a combination of all of them

Resistance, Rachet & Clank, Virtual Fighter 5, Heavenly Sword, Motor Storm, Unreal Tournament 3, Uncharted.. THose aren't "good" games... :|

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

u8muhrice

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

oh btw, The lemmings are simply getting payback for all the bashing they took last gen... Honestly I think if the cows were more humble(hell you guys already kicked the **** out of the XB/GC), fanboys wouldn't bash em so much.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

OhSnapitz

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

Uncharted has legs from software charts, but slow.

Resistance and Motorstorm were bundled in many of the high selling PS3 regions, so have to evaluate it the same as Wii sports.

Those others you mentioned, yeah complete flops vs cost of development so far.

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?u8muhrice

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

True, i took a marketing class, thats why i knew the giants would win the superbowl.....seeing the future can only be achieved with a marketing class...

Also, what you said doesnt make sense at all. The supply of exclusives is directly related to the demand of exlusives, not to the demand of consoles. The DEMAND of exlusives is indirectly related to the DEMAND of consoles because of the elasticity of both products.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

OhSnapitz

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

oh btw, The lemmings are simply getting payback for all the bashing they took last gen... Honestly I think if the cows were more humble(hell you guys already kicked the **** out of the XB/GC), fanboys wouldn't bash em so much.

Youre right about the sales being dismal even though they were good. But it also has to do with lack of PS3 being sold. PS3 sales have been horrible... its only once the holiday season and last month picked up when you really started to see the PS3 sales jumping.

Although I do not know how bad the sales were, im sure every PS3 owner averaged having around one/two game. If you think about it... thats fine considering that its been a year and I dont expect every PS3 owner to have every exclusive. Lets face it, how many exclusives were there? (decent) Heavenly Sword (which everyone im sure has rented because of its lack of gameplay time).. that really leaves Drakes and Ratchet, and Resistance as the only decent exclusives. So IMO a ps3 owner averaging around one-two games is not bad.

Plus, I dont see where peple get the information that PS3 is being used soley on Bluray.. do you know where I can find the sales statistics?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

maabus99

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

Uncharted has legs from software charts, but slow.

Resistance and Motorstorm were bundled in many of the high selling PS3 regions, so have to evaluate it the same as Wii sports.

Those others you mentioned, yeah complete flops vs cost of development so far.

Making a game is expensive.. however, im almost positive that their sales gain them a profit. Unless you have proof otherwise

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

u8muhrice

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

oh btw, The lemmings are simply getting payback for all the bashing they took last gen... Honestly I think if the cows were more humble(hell you guys already kicked the **** out of the XB/GC), fanboys wouldn't bash em so much.

Youre right about the sales being dismal even though they were good. But it also has to do with lack of PS3 being sold. PS3 sales have been horrible... its only once the holiday season and last month picked up when you really started to see the PS3 sales jumping.

Although I do not know how bad the sales were, im sure every PS3 owner averaged having around one/two game. If you think about it... thats fine considering that its been a year and I dont expect every PS3 owner to have every exclusive. Lets face it, how many exclusives were there? (decent) Heavenly Sword (which everyone im sure has rented because of its lack of gameplay time).. that really leaves Drakes and Ratchet, and Resistance as the only decent exclusives. So IMO a ps3 owner averaging around one-two games is not bad.

Plus, I dont see where peple get the information that PS3 is being used soley on Bluray.. do you know where I can find the sales statistics?

It's based soley off the prospect that the software isn't selling... The PS3 sold 770k units during Dec in the US. I think it had maybe 1 game in the top ten.. 1 game... And the sales of said games were in the few 100k's... So what are the rest of the people doing with their systems?

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]I like how everyone in this thread can predict the future. Where can I achieve these powers?Bukowski81

You can achieve this by taking a marketing class. SUPPLY (exclusives) = DEMANDS (consoles)

True, i took a marketing class, thats why i knew the giants would win the superbowl.....seeing the future can only be achieved with a marketing class...

Also, what you said doesnt make sense at all. The supply of exclusives is directly related to the demand of exlusives, not to the demand of consoles. The DEMAND of exlusives is indirectly related to the DEMAND of consoles because of the elasticity of both products.

Youre reading it wrong... im thinking merely in a consumer's view: How many exclusives and what exclusives are being sold on MS/Sony/Nintendo?

Example: Oh awesome! Sony has MGS.. well LBP looks tight.. hmm..well I always been a big FF buff, I think Ill buy a Sony (DEMAND)

[QUOTE="maabus99"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

Like I said, when the Wii hits 25 million sold, it will slow down, since all the Gamecube owners have bought there Wii's by that time.

I still don't believe the Wii will last long, The Casual market I know love shiny games (Graphics) They lovethe pretty looking games. The Casual market the Wii attracts the older generation (Family people). And the fact that next to Super Smash Bros (Which looks awesome) there aren't any games worth mentioning (dont even list Trauma Center).

The PS3 will catch up, as soon as people switch over, it takes time especially since its pretty expensive. and the Big Games are releasing soon.

OhSnapitz

Almost all the Wii owners I know have never heared of the Gamecube (dead serious). What does that say about your theory?

Please file his comments under article #7, catalog B, File 472,769,922 A "...Just wait".

Thank you. :)

When people speak in future tense, you certainly have to wait for the outocome. Its the nature of a prediction.

[QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

OhSnapitz

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

oh btw, The lemmings are simply getting payback for all the bashing they took last gen... Honestly I think if the cows were more humble(hell you guys already kicked the **** out of the XB/GC), fanboys wouldn't bash em so much.

Youre right about the sales being dismal even though they were good. But it also has to do with lack of PS3 being sold. PS3 sales have been horrible... its only once the holiday season and last month picked up when you really started to see the PS3 sales jumping.

Although I do not know how bad the sales were, im sure every PS3 owner averaged having around one/two game. If you think about it... thats fine considering that its been a year and I dont expect every PS3 owner to have every exclusive. Lets face it, how many exclusives were there? (decent) Heavenly Sword (which everyone im sure has rented because of its lack of gameplay time).. that really leaves Drakes and Ratchet, and Resistance as the only decent exclusives. So IMO a ps3 owner averaging around one-two games is not bad.

Plus, I dont see where peple get the information that PS3 is being used soley on Bluray.. do you know where I can find the sales statistics?

It's based soley off the prospect that the software isn't selling... The PS3 sold 770k units during Dec in the US. I think it had maybe 1 game in the top ten.. 1 game... And the sales of said games were in the few 100k's... So what are the rest of the people doing with their systems?

Youre absolutely right.. but (and this is my theory) is how many of those exclusives are replayable?

None really.. and thats Sony's fault. Theyre amazing games like Drake and all. But after beating Drake, you really have no incentive to beat it again. Then thats where people start to lend other PS3 owners their games. I never bought Heavenly Sword.. I never bought Lair.. i borrowed it from a friend.

However.. look at Xbox, they got Halo 3 and Mass Effect... Halo is online and Mass Effect is replayable with the choose your path type of deal.

Now look at 2008: MGS (linear but you get to choose your path and lets face it, im sure its going to be a blow out game) will have moderate-high replay, LBP high replay, MGS online high replay, GT high replay, Killzone 2 high replay, Tekken high replay, Resistance 2 high replay.

With all these high replay games.. im sure people will begin to buy games rather then lending it or borrow games.

Whats PS3's highest selling game? CoD which has high replay value. Its none of the exclusives.. just wait til the exclusives start to come out.. youll see a better sale in software

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

u8muhrice

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

oh btw, The lemmings are simply getting payback for all the bashing they took last gen... Honestly I think if the cows were more humble(hell you guys already kicked the **** out of the XB/GC), fanboys wouldn't bash em so much.

Youre right about the sales being dismal even though they were good. But it also has to do with lack of PS3 being sold. PS3 sales have been horrible... its only once the holiday season and last month picked up when you really started to see the PS3 sales jumping.

Although I do not know how bad the sales were, im sure every PS3 owner averaged having around one/two game. If you think about it... thats fine considering that its been a year and I dont expect every PS3 owner to have every exclusive. Lets face it, how many exclusives were there? (decent) Heavenly Sword (which everyone im sure has rented because of its lack of gameplay time).. that really leaves Drakes and Ratchet, and Resistance as the only decent exclusives. So IMO a ps3 owner averaging around one-two games is not bad.

Plus, I dont see where peple get the information that PS3 is being used soley on Bluray.. do you know where I can find the sales statistics?

It's based soley off the prospect that the software isn't selling... The PS3 sold 770k units during Dec in the US. I think it had maybe 1 game in the top ten.. 1 game... And the sales of said games were in the few 100k's... So what are the rest of the people doing with their systems?

Youre absolutely right.. but (and this is my theory) is how many of those exclusives are replayable?

None really.. and thats Sony's fault. Theyre amazing games like Drake and all. But after beating Drake, you really have no incentive to beat it again. Then thats where people start to lend other PS3 owners their games. I never bought Heavenly Sword.. I never bought Lair.. i borrowed it from a friend.

However.. look at Xbox, they got Halo 3 and Mass Effect... Halo is online and Mass Effect is replayable with the choose your path type of deal.

Now look at 2008: MGS (linear but you get to choose your path and lets face it, im sure its going to be a blow out game) will have moderate-high replay, LBP high replay, MGS online high replay, GT high replay, Killzone 2 high replay, Tekken high replay, Resistance 2 high replay.

With all these high replay games.. im sure people will begin to buy games rather then lending it or borrow games.

Whats PS3's highest selling game? CoD which has high replay value. Its none of the exclusives.. just wait til the exclusives start to come out.. youll see a better sale in software

ok that's a possibility but now you see why people are saying the PS3 is selling as a bluray player. I still can't believe those games didn't sell that well... Save for resistance...

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="u8muhrice"]

No infact those are amazing games.

The problem is because of lemmings bashing saying "Drakes 8.0!!!!1!!" When infact it averaged a 9.0 everywhere else

Lemmings (im referring to the die hard xbox fans that deny the PS3 is a good console) used to run this board in 2007.. espcially once Halo came out. I saw ps3 bashing constantly.

But if you really think about it.. the "big exclusives" that made up Sony (not the ps3) has been the Final Fantasy Series, Metal Gear, Tekken, and Gran Turismo. None of those games are released yet and once they are.. youll be seeing alot of sales picking up.

u8muhrice

But you see that's the chink in the cows argument.. Those games were infact pretty damn good.. (haven't played all of em) but from the impressions I've seen people like em... Yet their sales were dreadful.. Whose to say that the sales of the other games you listed won't be the same? I'm not making assumptions here, I'm stating facts based on current sales figures..

oh btw, The lemmings are simply getting payback for all the bashing they took last gen... Honestly I think if the cows were more humble(hell you guys already kicked the **** out of the XB/GC), fanboys wouldn't bash em so much.

Youre right about the sales being dismal even though they were good. But it also has to do with lack of PS3 being sold. PS3 sales have been horrible... its only once the holiday season and last month picked up when you really started to see the PS3 sales jumping.

Although I do not know how bad the sales were, im sure every PS3 owner averaged having around one/two game. If you think about it... thats fine considering that its been a year and I dont expect every PS3 owner to have every exclusive. Lets face it, how many exclusives were there? (decent) Heavenly Sword (which everyone im sure has rented because of its lack of gameplay time).. that really leaves Drakes and Ratchet, and Resistance as the only decent exclusives. So IMO a ps3 owner averaging around one-two games is not bad.

Plus, I dont see where peple get the information that PS3 is being used soley on Bluray.. do you know where I can find the sales statistics?

It's based soley off the prospect that the software isn't selling... The PS3 sold 770k units during Dec in the US. I think it had maybe 1 game in the top ten.. 1 game... And the sales of said games were in the few 100k's... So what are the rest of the people doing with their systems?

Youre absolutely right.. but (and this is my theory) is how many of those exclusives are replayable?

None really.. and thats Sony's fault. Theyre amazing games like Drake and all. But after beating Drake, you really have no incentive to beat it again. Then thats where people start to lend other PS3 owners their games. I never bought Heavenly Sword.. I never bought Lair.. i borrowed it from a friend.

However.. look at Xbox, they got Halo 3 and Mass Effect... Halo is online and Mass Effect is replayable with the choose your path type of deal.

Now look at 2008: MGS (linear but you get to choose your path and lets face it, im sure its going to be a blow out game) will have moderate-high replay, LBP high replay, MGS online high replay, GT high replay, Killzone 2 high replay, Tekken high replay, Resistance 2 high replay.

With all these high replay games.. im sure people will begin to buy games rather then lending it or borrow games.

Whats PS3's highest selling game? CoD which has high replay value. Its none of the exclusives.. just wait til the exclusives start to come out.. youll see a better sale in software

Isn't the best-selling game on Playstation 3MotorStorm?

u8muhrice

Youre absolutely right.. but (and this is my theory) is how many of those exclusives are replayable?

None really.. and thats Sony's fault. Theyre amazing games like Drake and all. But after beating Drake, you really have no incentive to beat it again. Then thats where people start to lend other PS3 owners their games. I never bought Heavenly Sword.. I never bought Lair.. i borrowed it from a friend.

However.. look at Xbox, they got Halo 3 and Mass Effect... Halo is online and Mass Effect is replayable with the choose your path type of deal.

Now look at 2008: MGS (linear but you get to choose your path and lets face it, im sure its going to be a blow out game) will have moderate-high replay, LBP high replay, MGS online high replay, GT high replay, Killzone 2 high replay, Tekken high replay, Resistance 2 high replay.

With all these high replay games.. im sure people will begin to buy games rather then lending it or borrow games.

Whats PS3's highest selling game? CoD which has high replay value. Its none of the exclusives.. just wait til the exclusives start to come out.. youll see a better sale in software

Isn't the best-selling game on Playstation 3MotorStorm?

I dunno about Motorstorm being the best selling game.. cause last time i checked it was CoD

However, if it is, im not surprised.. it comes in the 80GB bundle so thats probably why. However, MotorStorm stil has high replay value alongside with any other racing game..

You catching my drift? :D

I personally think this whole thread is nearly pointless. Quoting numbers, twisting numbers, doing whatever needs to be done to the numbers to put them in favor of x system.

First off, before this thread gets any further, something here needs to be defined: success. In the sense of consoles, are we defining "success" and "being the best" to mean the sales are better or there are more exclusive AAA titles? We need to decide that this or that is going to be a said standard definition of "being the best", otherwise this argument could well go on forever.

Secondly, would everyone please stop making stupid comments? For example, whoever said Lost Odyssey is better than Final Fantasy XIII is retarded. I'm not a PS3 fanboy by any stretch, mind you, but I do happen to have a few things working for me here. For starters, I have looked at a calendar today and noticed that Final Fantasy XIII hasn't been released yet. Not even in Japan. Unless you got a copy you imported from 2009, you're statement automatically fails. Secondly, beyond that, you're simply a 360 fanboy refusing to look at the fact that Lost Odyssey was plagued with technical issues that I can almost assure you (I'll resist assuring you most certainly due to my own previous statement) Final Fantasy XIII won't suffer from. 360 fanboys need to stop making fools of themselves.

Thirdly, I don't think that Metal Gear Solid 4 will make PS3 sales skyrocket. Metal Gear Solid 2 sold between 7 and 8 million copies. Metal Gear Solid 3 sold a mere 3.6 million copies. Should I remind you that there were 120 million PS2s sold as of November 2007? Theorhetically, if we assume that every one of the 3.6 million copes of MGS3 were purchased by someone who DIDN'T buy MGS2 (and that's only to do a favor to PS3 fanboys) AND every copy of MGS 2 or 3 that sold was sold with a system (in other words, the PS2 was purchased JUST to play MGS 2 or 3), than MGS only accounted for 9% of all PS2 sales. If 10 million PS3s have sold so far, and MGS4 continued the trend of MGS2 and MGS3, than MGS4 will only sell 90,000 PS3s. Not even 100,000 PS3s will be sold because of MGS4 if trends continue. Shall I break down every other "killer app" for you as well?

...I didn't think so.

[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

[QUOTE="darkmagician06"]and the 360 or wii will stay the same price forever right?darkmagician06

The 360 is already cheaper than the PS3, WITH more games. How is that working out for it? Not very well, it would seem since its lead is only 5,000,000 ahead of the PS3. Apparently, price isn't the issue for the 360 not selling like crazy.

has nothing to do with anything dont see my mom buying a PS3 just to watch movies... darkmagician06

Fail.

1) A large part of PS2's success is commonly attributed to the emergence of DVD. It sold 120,000,000 and is STILL selling.

2) Just because your mom doesn't buy HD, it doesn't mean everyone else won't.

3) Mothers aren't the target audience for Blu-Ray. My mother didn't buy DVD by herself, she has zero to no interest in Blu-ray.

4) All of a sudden 360 fanboys are saying it 'doesn't matter'. Can't make up their minds, one minute its 'PS3 is selling only because of Blu-Ray". Now it doesn't matter. Heh.

devs want cash plain and simple so 360 will always get gamesdarkmagician06

And Devs get cash by making games people want. Duh. People constantly want games to improve, improve, improve. Lingering around DVD9 won't achieve this. Sorry - but the games industry won't stay with DVD9 just because the 360 uses it. The games industry moves on, it takes no prisoners. Square abandoned the N64 to develop Final Fantasy 7 on the PS1 because of carts/CD's.

see abovedarkmagician06

No. "See above" is not a rebuttal. I made two entirely different points.

lol keep believing that. its been proven one game doesnt significally affect sales to the degree you are talking about. there might be a slight increase but thats it. halo 3 for example sales didnt "explode" and if halo cant do it nothing candarkmagician06

1) I'm not talking about '1 game'. I'm talking MGS4 as a culminative factor in 'sales exploding'. For example, the casual fan may desperately want MGS4 - needing to buy a PS3. As bad as he wants MGS4, he won't buy a PS3 for it alone. Then he see's Blu-Ray, Killzone, Resistance, Home - and he can't resist.

2) Sales didn't explode on the 360 for Halo 3 because:

a) 33% death rate. The internet may have buried this, but the casual gamer is painfully aware of it.

b) Halo 3 is overated in the first place.

See abovedarkmagician06

See abovedarkmagician06

See abovedarkmagician06

See abovedarkmagician06

Wait wait wait, you're saying 'see above' to a point which says '1 game with high sales isn't enough', yet you've quoted it four times for FOUR MORE GAMES. That clearly makes up 5 games. Can you tell the difference between 5 and 1? How can the argument that '1 game isn't enough' be a rebuttal when I've presented five?

Self. Own.

Not when they see the 360 logo on all the commercials...and you are giving casuals too much credit.darkmagician06

Like Assasins Creed? Where the only logo was the Playstation 3 logo? Where is your proof that the 360 logo will be the only logo to appear on GTA IV's TV spot?

What? good games will continue to come out unlike the PS3darkmagician06

Oh really? So it didn't peak at Halo 3, the biggest game it will ever see? Ok, name ten huge exlusive games coming out for the 360. Gears of War 2 and...?

Fads dont last years and yearsdarkmagician06

LOL thats my point. Thanks for bolstering it, it has to END sometime.

Most of those users already have either a Wii or 360 and im one of thosedarkmagician06

Most PS2 users already have a Wii or 360? Ok, lets try some basic maths. Majority = more than 50%.

50% of 120,000,000 = 60,000,000.

Wii sales TOTAL: 20,000,000

360 sales TOTAL: 17,000,000

Thats 37,000,000 combined. Nowhere near 'most'.

Fail. Again.

lol nodarkmagician06

Umm, lol no? Lol no Final Fantasy won't make PS3 sales explode? LOL NO? LOL DENIAL!

yeah...not gonna try to stick quotes in your quotes so... ill number my reply's

1. Blu-ray never mattered...blu-ray =/= DVD

2. The lead is actually closer to 8 million and that is no small number my good friend.

3. once again blu-ray will not cause devs to not make games for the 360 plain and simple. they will put it on 2 disks just to get it on the platform to make some cash

4. see above does apply because you used the exact same argument over and over. (x game will make sales explode, y games will make sales explode, z game will make sales explode)

5. LOL wow. 33% death rate? try 16% and even then the general public doesnt know about that. also saying halo 3 is overrated is exactly my point NO game had as much hype as halo 3. it had so many pre-orders alone. so if halo couldnt do it those 5 games combine dont equal the total hype for halo 3.

6. also gears is all the xbox needs because it will sell more than the top 10 PS3 games coming out combined. even then there are other games besides gears

7. final fantasy hasnt sold systems since FF7 get over it. FF isnt as good as it used to be. lost odyssey > FF13

hahaha @ point 7!!! u've been sigged, Enjoy ur 7.5 flop. what did ff12 get here? 9.0? owned. that 16% is from only a thousand 360s. There are 17 million 360s so until we have a bigger group i say that number is more in the mid twenties. U have some flawed thinking if u think that R2, MGS4, GT5, and FF13 arent going to spur hardware and software sales...

the latter 3 some of the biggest franchises critically, commercially, and with are some of the biggest selling franchises in video game history.