Let's say Battlefield 3 get's consolized, what then?

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

but people play and its actually fun

Harisemo

it does make it better though because 32 players is a mess and not fun at all.

Funny to see how hermits turned on Crytek and are now clinging to DICE, a dev that went the consolized route back on the original Xbox and continued with BC on the HD twins.

Judging by recent BF3 PC footage, I think modded C2 with DX11 will beat down BF3.

Keep on believing, though. It's the audacity of hope that makes life worth living.

Funny to see how hermits turned on Crytek and are now clinging to DICE, a dev that went the consolized route back on the original Xbox and continued with BC on the HD twins.

Judging by recent BF3 PC footage, I think modded C2 with DX11 will beat down BF3.

Keep on believing, though. It's the audacity of hope that makes life worth living.

gamecubepad

Let's break down this post gentlemen!

First sentence makes no sense since dice released 3 exclusive battlefield games since the original xbox, and the console port of BF2 didn't affect the main version, how is that consolization? BC isn't consolization either.. the first game was only on consoles, how is that consolization?

Second sentence makes no sense, you allow one game to be modded and the other not :lol: . Stock C2 looks worse than stock crysis 1, yet you want to setup special parameters for it to look better than BF3? Oh and if you don't believe me take a look here....

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis-2/video/6307650

Third sentence is just flamebail, so I'll ignore this.

The point ISN'T that DICE "consolized" (a stupid made up term to be the big bad boogie man for PC gamers), it's that DICE isn't a PC only developer anymore.AncientDozer

The term consolized isn't really stupid, it's just a term used when an originally PC focused game has it's design changed to either be able to run on consoles or for the console audience. Also I'm not sure what DICE being a multiplatform developer has to do with anything, I mean valve is as well.

If Battlefield 3 gets consolized then hermits get pissed off at Dice and won't consider them a reliable PC developer anymore. Simple. Naturally consolites will not understand why PC gamers don't like playing games which are poorly designed for their platform of choice and will continue to insult their maturity and accuse them of committing illegal activities for no reason at all, because they don't have any actual arguments showing why PC gamers should be content with getting underutilized trash. TC continues to make hate threads, SW goes on as usual.

Let's break down this post gentlemen!

Espada12

Oh sure...:roll:

DICE showed what direction they were heading with BF2 Modern Combat. BC sealed the deal, man. Maybe console-focused would be the better term? Look at their work with BC. There's almost no discernable difference between the the PC version and the console versions.

So now we have BF3, the last bastion of PC elitism. The last hope...

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DICE1: "Hey, let's turn up SSAO on character models and say we designed it for PC so we get more sales."

DICE2: "Nice. Let's do it."

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Why put your hearts on the line like this, hermits? "It might look better"...that's straight from the horse's mouth.

The only way console gamers would understand is if it started happening to them, imagine if all consoles games were made within the limitations of the wii wouldn't you guys be mad?

Oh sure...:roll:

DICE showed what direction they were heading with BF2 Modern Combat. BC sealed the deal, man. Maybe console-focused would be the better term? Look at their work with BC. There's almost no discernable difference between the the PC version and the console versions.

So now we have BF3, the last bastion of PC elitism. The last hope...

gamecubepad

Again, how? BF2 modern combat wasn't even close to BF2, and BC 2 has DX11 features, more players and tweaked gameplay for the PC version. How is that no discenable difference?

"I think modded C2 with DX11 will beat down BF3."

And modded BF3 in DX11 will beat C2.=p

Again, how? BF2 modern combat wasn't even close to BF2, and BC 2 has DX11 features, more players and tweaked gameplay for the PC version. How is that no discenable difference?

Espada12

BC2 comparison

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The vids I pulled those screens of BF3 from are what the game is gonna look like. Consoles should have no problem matching that, but at 720p. So would it appease you if I said that the difference between the versions of *BF3* will roughly be the same difference between the versions of BC2?

What will the console versions lack, then? "The higher resolution, the higher framerate, the anti-aliasing, the motion blur, stuff like that. We can't have it to the same quality on the console," says Bach.

Would have been nice if they said, "Higher precision lighting, 4x the poly-count, and ultra-high-res textures."

At least you'll be able to say there's more players and big maps. Then I'll say MAG has more players. That's how these things work.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Again, how? BF2 modern combat wasn't even close to BF2, and BC 2 has DX11 features, more players and tweaked gameplay for the PC version. How is that no discenable difference?

gamecubepad

At least you'll be able to say there's more players and big maps. Then I'll say MAG has more players. That's how these things work.

Do a comparison of BC 2 MP :) consoles are a jagged mess, with no recoil and a lower player count and I know this is true because I have it on PS3 as well as PC.

Secondly what does this have to do with anything? If I am understanding you correctly you are leaving out the higher player count and bigger maps in BF 3 on PC because MAG has more players?............

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Do a comparison of BC 2 MP :) consoles are a jagged mess, with no recoil and a lower player count and I know this is true because I have it on PS3 as well as PC.

Secondly what does this have to do with anything? If I am understanding you correctly you are leaving out the higher player count and bigger maps in BF 3 on PC because MAG has more players?............

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Espada12

No, what I'm saying is if you look at the game instead of believing dev PR talk, you'd see the inevitable outcome of the situation. C1 or C2 will be king. Crytek, the great betrayer of PC gamers, will still be the GFX King. BF3 won't even be queen. 3rd best looking game incoming.

"I think modded C2 with DX11 will beat down BF3."

And modded BF3 in DX11 will beat C2.=p

mitu123

There won't be substantial mods for BF3. PC gamers like WOW and Minecraft these days. They'll mod C2 because of their familiarity with CE2/3. Sorry guys, just softening the blow for you later on.

C2 already looks better than BF3. Not as photoreal, perhaps, but better looking nonetheless.

All your hopes rest on overdone AO on character models, and crawling on the ground. Not gonna be enough to take down the masters...Crytek, king of PC.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Again, how? BF2 modern combat wasn't even close to BF2, and BC 2 has DX11 features, more players and tweaked gameplay for the PC version. How is that no discenable difference?

gamecubepad

BC2 comparison

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The vids I pulled those screens of BF3 from are what the game is gonna look like. Consoles should have no problem matching that, but at 720p. So would it appease you if I said that the difference between the versions of *BF3* will roughly be the same difference between the versions of BC2?

What will the console versions lack, then? "The higher resolution, the higher framerate, the anti-aliasing, the motion blur, stuff like that. We can't have it to the same quality on the console," says Bach.

Would have been nice if they said, "Higher precision lighting, 4x the poly-count, and ultra-high-res textures."

At least you'll be able to say there's more players and big maps. Then I'll say MAG has more players. That's how these things work.

"No Deeplinking please" If you are plop a giant picture on the forum, at least make sure it works.

And then whats up with you claiming that BF3 on PC will look like a sub-hd heavily compressed video?

Lastly if you are going to choose some weird BC2 comparison, why choose one that isn't even in the same spot? WHy not choose one that, you know, is in remotely the same place? Because BC2 on PC does not look the same as the console versions, even from your own comparision link, you the console versions don't even look close.

No, what I'm saying is if you look at the game instead of believing dev PR talk, you'd see the inevitable outcome of the situation. C1 or C2 will be king. Crytek, the great betrayer of PC gamers, will still be the GFX King. BF3 won't even be queen. 3rd best looking game incoming.

gamecubepad

Ok this is just getting laughable now, I'm done haha.

Funny to see how hermits turned on Crytek and are now clinging to DICE, a dev that went the consolized route back on the original Xbox and continued with BC on the HD twins.

gamecubepad

Crytek developed Crysis 2 on consoles in mind, and that's why hermits hate them, while BF3 starts on PC 1st.

They'll mod C2 because of their familiarity with CE2/3. Sorry guys, just softening the blow for you later on.

C2 already looks better than BF3. Not as photoreal, perhaps, but better looking nonetheless.

gamecubepad

Right off the bat Crysis looked consolized.

This doesn't.

"Consolization" is such a stupid phrase. It doesn't even mean anything other than "They made changes I don't like, and I'm blaming the consoles for it." Bad game design and being on consoles are not intertwined.Timstuff

"Consolization" is such a stupid phrase. It doesn't even mean anything other than "They made changes I don't like, and I'm blaming the consoles for it." Bad game design and being on consoles are not intertwined.Timstuff

DICE wont consolize BF3. They know better, they know the PC gamers made DICE so popular.

VensInferno

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]

The point ISN'T that DICE "consolized" (a stupid made up term to be the big bad boogie man for PC gamers), it's that DICE isn't a PC only developer anymore.Espada12

The term consolized isn't really stupid, it's just a term used when an originally PC focused game has it's design changed to either be able to run on consoles or for the console audience. Also I'm not sure what DICE being a multiplatform developer has to do with anything, I mean valve is as well.

PC haters are at full bloom this season.lawlessx

"Consolization" is such a stupid phrase. It doesn't even mean anything other than "They made changes I don't like, and I'm blaming the consoles for it." Bad game design and being on consoles are not intertwined.Timstuff

"Consolization" is such a stupid phrase. It doesn't even mean anything other than "They made changes I don't like, and I'm blaming the consoles for it." Bad game design and being on consoles are not intertwined.Timstuff

I bet DICE will consolize Battlefield 3 and PC-ers will cry as they did when Crysis 2 came out. :D

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]"Consolization" is such a stupid phrase. It doesn't even mean anything other than "They made changes I don't like, and I'm blaming the consoles for it." Bad game design and being on consoles are not intertwined.AdrianWerner

It just means its an inferior game to what it was before.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]"Consolization" is such a stupid phrase. It doesn't even mean anything other than "They made changes I don't like, and I'm blaming the consoles for it." Bad game design and being on consoles are not intertwined.04dcarraher

It just means its an inferior game to what it was before.

Of course there are cases when dumbing down/consolization results in simply inferior game, like with Thief 3 or Deus Ex. I'm just saying it's not always the case.

I bet DICE will consolize Battlefield 3 and PC-ers will cry as they did when Crysis 2 came out. :D

Zensword

PC haters are at full bloom this season.lawlessx

Not necessary. It just means different. It can even mean changing genres sometimes. I mean. sure...I've prefered RavenShield over Vegas, but Vegas was excellent arcade shooter on it's own.

Of course there are cases when dumbing down/consolization results in simply inferior game, like with Thief 3 or Deus Ex. I'm just saying it's not always the case.

AdrianWerner

I agree, good example using R6 vegas, I too prefer ravenshield, but what can you do.. at least vegas came out good for what it was.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]PC haters are at full bloom this season.mitu123

Is it really hate to be cautiously optimistic? Crytek "betrayed" the PC faithful, so now hermits are clinging to BF3, not because it's guaranteed to be different, but rather because it has to be different or the age of PC shooter domination is over. It's the last hope.

What about the footage they've shown looks so drastically different in design from BFBC or C2, both console-oriented games? You're in a big city that you can't explore, you run from waypoint to waypoint, the gfx are about the same, the SP isn't a shoe-in to be better quality given the history of BF games. Is it strictly DX11 that makes the difference? Make me believe.;):P

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]PC haters are at full bloom this season.gamecubepad

Is it really hate to be cautiously optimistic? Crytek "betrayed" the PC faithful, so now hermits are clinging to BF3, not because it's guaranteed to be different, but rather because it has to be different or the age of PC shooter domination is over. It's the last hope.

What about the footage they've shown looks so drastically different in design from BFBC or C2, both console-oriented games? You're in a big city that you can't explore, you run from waypoint to waypoint, the gfx are about the same, the SP isn't a shoe-in to be better quality given the history of BF games. Is it strictly DX11 that makes the difference? Make me believe.;):P

I love PC hate threads. There are never any worth wile debates that go on in them, because console fanboys never put up a solid argument :lol:. millerlight89

I'm not a console fanboy, but I feel I've made some decent points. Nobody has bothered to answer though. They just put emoticons and hope they aren't wrong, once again.

It's the last hope.

gamecubepad

Says who?

the gfx are about the same

gamecubepad

No its not. Its not even close. Besides. Your coming to this conclusion after watching a compressed, sub HD Youtube video. Has there even been actual console footage released?

Make me believe.;):P

gamecubepad

Oh I will :twisted:

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]I love PC hate threads. There are never any worth wile debates that go on in them, because console fanboys never put up a solid argument :lol:. gamecubepad

I'm not a console fanboy, but I feel I've made some decent points. Nobody has bothered to answer though. They just put emoticons and hope they aren't wrong, once again.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]PC haters are at full bloom this season.gamecubepad

Is it really hate to be cautiously optimistic? Crytek "betrayed" the PC faithful, so now hermits are clinging to BF3, not because it's guaranteed to be different, but rather because it has to be different or the age of PC shooter domination is over. It's the last hope.

What about the footage they've shown looks so drastically different in design from BFBC or C2, both console-oriented games? You're in a big city that you can't explore, you run from waypoint to waypoint, the gfx are about the same, the SP isn't a shoe-in to be better quality given the history of BF games. Is it strictly DX11 that makes the difference? Make me believe.;):P

It has nothing to do with the FPS genre on the PC and console ..this is about a PC developing team being true to they're roots and not forgetting the fans that supported them for nearly a decade.

Not even sure how you even got the idea that it's the PC's "last hope"

Says who?

gmaster456

...me?:P

No its not. Its not even close. Besides. Your coming to this conclusion after watching a compressed, sub HD Youtube video. Has there even been actual console footage released?

gmaster456

Surely it's at least close, and that's just C2 dx9 vs BF3 DX11. I'm judging from VHQ 1080p vids and screens. See...

LOL, BF3 really does look better than Crysis 2 and it's only in pre alpha build meaning it's not even close to being done, hell, I see some bad spots in those Crysis 2 pics.

Well if you're not a console fanboy, then this doesn't apply to you ;). You have made some good points and there are things wrong with PC gaming. I just enjoy looking at what people say like TC. Though you say things like "BF3 is the last hope." Not sure what that really means, because it isn't. Maybe you were just taking a stab at elitist ?

millerlight89

I would say I'm a PC gamer, but not a hermit. More of a sheep tbh. I just want good discussion, and hermits will give ya the best bang for your buck. If my comments are ignored, then they might not be worthwhile. Otherwise, people are either having a good laugh, or getting angry, and that's what I come to sw for.

BF3 is the last hope. Have a look at my sig. I would love to add DICE and BF3 to the list. Is that so wrong?

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

Says who?

gamecubepad

...me?:P

No its not. Its not even close. Besides. Your coming to this conclusion after watching a compressed, sub HD Youtube video. Has there even been actual console footage released?

gmaster456

Surely it's at least close, and that's just C2 dx9 vs BF3 DX11. I'm judging from VHQ 1080p vids and screens. See...

BF3 looks much better.

LOL, BF3 really does look better than Crysis 2 and it's only in pre alpha build meaning it's not even close to being done, hell, I see some bad spots in those Crysis 2 pics.

mitu123

Nah, they're roughly the same. Buildings and weapons look better in C2.

So does that qualify as "not even close"? And that's DX9 vs DX11.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

LOL, BF3 really does look better than Crysis 2 and it's only in pre alpha build meaning it's not even close to being done, hell, I see some bad spots in those Crysis 2 pics.

gamecubepad

Nah, they're roughly the same. Buildings and weapons look better in C2.

So does that qualify as "not even close"? And that's DX9 vs DX11.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

LOL, BF3 really does look better than Crysis 2 and it's only in pre alpha build meaning it's not even close to being done, hell, I see some bad spots in those Crysis 2 pics.

gamecubepad

Nah, they're roughly the same. Buildings and weapons look better in C2.

So does that qualify as "not even close"? And that's DX9 vs DX11.