lets simplify this

and look at it from a casual PoV

This christmas

$400 for

GTA4

Halo 3

Gears of War

$600 for

GTA4

MGS4

$250 for

SSBB

these are the bright shiny stars that are System Sellers, I dont wanna hear &(#&% about "Bu bu bu Lair, bu bu bu Mass Effect, Bu Bu Mario Galaxy"

when it comes down to it, System sellers are all that count really, and these games are the ones that will sell millions of copies and millions of consoles, the others are just support

I am talking about people that dont have a console either, GoW is still a huge selling game, oh and speaking of which, anyone think Gears 2 will have a trailer at E3? the game could be 50% done...

There are so many games that can sell systems aside from those. It isn't that simple.

Do you honestly think SMG wont sell systems? SMS sold systems and it was sub-par for a mario game. Mass effect might sell a few systems too if it catches on. and I could see Heavenly sword being a casual hit.

I dont think MGS is a system seller really and I dont think GeoW being released until next christmas because they would be competing with themselves with halo3

Well we know Wii will sell at top more than anybody no matter what games it has....PS3 will probably sell even if it has a high price becuase parents or casuals will think there buying a machine which has alot of potential (which it does.) and 360 will prolly tie with PS3 becuase its decent amount of holiday games and Halo 3..

$250 for

SSBB

supermechakirby

I stopped reading right there. SSBB is probably going to begreat, but since you didn't add Mario Galaxy, you fail hard.

edit: I just decided to read the rest of the post. Wow, you failed harder than I thought. Mario is probably the character that sells the most not only for Nintendo, but throughout the whole videogame industry.

Do you honestly think SMG wont sell systems? SMS sold systems and it was sub-par for a mario game. Mass effect might sell a few systems too if it catches on. and I could see Heavenly sword being a casual hit.

I dont think MGS is a system seller really and I dont think GeoW being released until next christmas because they would be competing with themselves with halo3

laughingman42

SMS didnt sell crap in comparison to SSBM, becides the GC didnt sell very well at all

There are so many games that can sell systems aside from those. It isn't that simple.

strudel420

you fail to understand the system seller attribute, its a game that will make a person buy a whole console, other games are just support

let me hear some of those games your talking about

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

Do you honestly think SMG wont sell systems? SMS sold systems and it was sub-par for a mario game. Mass effect might sell a few systems too if it catches on. and I could see Heavenly sword being a casual hit.

I dont think MGS is a system seller really and I dont think GeoW being released until next christmas because they would be competing with themselves with halo3

supermechakirby

SMS didnt sell crap in comparison to SSBM, becides the GC didnt sell very well at all

SMG and Metroid Prime are both Mulit Platinum selling franchises. SMS sold more than any of the MGS games. Plus if you are looking from purely sales appeal where is Pokemon Battle Revoltion, Wii Health Pack, Wii Play, Mario Party etc ?cakeorrdeath

SMG and Metroid Prime are both Mulit Platinum selling franchises. SMS sold more than any of the MGS games. Plus if you are looking from purely sales appeal where is Pokemon Battle Revoltion, Wii Health Pack, Wii Play, Mario Party etc ?cakeorrdeath

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]SMG and Metroid Prime are both Mulit Platinum selling franchises. SMS sold more than any of the MGS games. Plus if you are looking from purely sales appeal where is Pokemon Battle Revoltion, Wii Health Pack, Wii Play, Mario Party etc ?Ibacai

I agree on all parts. I would aslo add in Lair (though it depends what kind of advertising dollars Sony put behind it.)

Mass Effect also, between Biowares fantaical following and 360 owners tendancy to buy a million of whatever big game hits that month.

Oh and Splinter Cell of course.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"]SMG and Metroid Prime are both Mulit Platinum selling franchises. SMS sold more than any of the MGS games. Plus if you are looking from purely sales appeal where is Pokemon Battle Revoltion, Wii Health Pack, Wii Play, Mario Party etc ?cakeorrdeath

I agree on all parts. I would aslo add in Lair (though it depends what kind of advertising dollars Sony put behind it.)

Mass Effect also, between Biowares fantaical following and 360 owners tendancy to buy a million of whatever big game hits that month.

Oh and Splinter Cell of course.

I'm going to downplay the importance of GTAIV. I love the game, and think it will do well, but it probably won't be the killer app we think it will be. My reasoning is that killer apps really don't keep their appeal for longer than a generation. Just look at the killer apps for the PS1: Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy VII, Tekken 3, Tomb Raider, and now compair that to the PS2: Grand Theft Auto III, Devil May Cry, God of War.

Their are some exception to this SMB, and grand turismo (yes I know I left it off the list) that have made 2 generations of killer apps, but it's rare.