List all the "True HD" games you can think of...

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Any game that's 720p and up natively is true HD. That would be any 360 or PS3 game available today. Anything else is just extra.heretrix

Nope, because video is only half the HD experience. Audio is the other half.

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

do 360 games not count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Medjai

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Any game that's 720p and up natively is true HD. That would be any 360 or PS3 game available today. Anything else is just extra.Wii1080p

Nope, because video is only half the HD experience. Audio is the other half.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Any game that's 720p and up natively is true HD. That would be any 360 or PS3 game available today. Anything else is just extra.heretrix

Nope, because video is only half the HD experience. Audio is the other half.

Nah, there's a huge difference (if you have good quality speakers and a decent amp) between Dolby Digital 5.1 and LPCM 5.1/Dolby TrueHD 5.1.

I can't say about DTS-HD MA yet since I havent heard it but it should be pretty similar to LPCM 5.1

Any PC game from the last 10 years.foxhound_fox

Nope, no PC game uses lossless audio.

I found 2...

1) Warhawk

2) Resistance

Who gives a crap about the audio? Even the developers themselves dont, which is why its rarely focused on.

I play games for the interactivity, not the audio.

I found 2...

1) Warhawk

2) Resistance

Wii1080p

so you found one Resistance because Warhawk doesn't exsist yet in non demo form

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

PC games. Audio can be upmixed and we also have the advantage of EAX.

/thread

Who gives a crap about the audio? Even the developers themselves dont, which is why its rarely focused on.

I play games for the interactivity, not the audio.

XaosII

only a small amount of audiophiles can even tell the difference...I own a Denon reciever and KEF speakers(from a few years back) and DD 5.1 sounds great thru them...yeah maybe "True HD audio" would sound better but my set up sounds amazing...I am at college and I live in an apartment, so I left my setup at my parents house because I can't even turn myTV (it has a good built in audio w/ a subwoofer inside the TV)up that loud without pissing of the neighbors...I use 5.1 headphones with my 360 and they sound great

Dev don't care and neither do most consumers...lame thread

Who gives a crap about the audio? Even the developers themselves dont, which is why its rarely focused on.

I play games for the interactivity, not the audio.

XaosII

Uh huh... so Kojima went out and hired Harry Gregson-Williams to score Metal Gear Solid because he doesn't care about the audio?

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

The 360 Elite actually has HDMI 1.2, but it can only pass uncompressed PCM 2.0.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

BadAndy642

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

The 360 Elite actually has HDMI 1.2, but it can only pass uncompressed PCM 2.0.

HDMI 1.2 should be able to pass 7.1 channels of uncompressed PCM.

There are none. My eyes are so precious that 1080p looks like crud to me and 14 speakers surrounding my head is not good enough. I can't even stand to look at the real world anymore, the resolution is not high enough for me to be happy with it.Riverwolf007

Good

HDMI 1.2 should be able to pass 7.1 channels of uncompressed PCM.

This is taken from the avsforum. Amir is a MS/VC-1 insider:

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1). Please, please, don't say you don't like this. There is nothing you are going to say which we don't know . Our goal was to provide a digital connection for video which people wanted for some of their TVs. And of course, single cable A/V connection. So if having analog video bothered you before, you can now use digital. If you lacked component/VGA on your TV, you are in business with Xbox 360 Elite.

Keep in mind that the spring software update for HD DVD substantially improves audio fidelity. Per above, you now have a choice of no less than three output formats.

If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite.

Answering other questions, both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output ("7.5 IRE vs 0"). And as someone mentioned, using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking. So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD. The HD DVD software update is separate from this (and will be available on both Xbox Live and xbox.com).

On output video format, Xbox 360 Elite will perform a handshake and select the appropriate RGB/YUV settings over HDMI. You cannot select it yourself.

The spring HD DVD software update will fix all the lip sync issues that have been reported/we know of.

There is no support for the WMV-HD disc format but of course, you can put WMV files on discs and Xbox 360 will play them.

BadAndy642

HDMI 1.2 should be able to pass 7.1 channels of uncompressed PCM.

This is taken from the avsforum. Amir is a MS/VC-1 insider:

Xbox 360 Elite supports HDMI 1.2 profile. For audio, you can select DD, DTS (at 1.5 Mbps), and WMA-Pro (Microsoft high fidelity multi-channel codec supported in some AVRs such as Pioneer). Since it is not based on 1.3, it will not support output of DD+ or TrueHD (even if it did, mixing would have been turned off).

PCM output is available but only for 2-channels (not 5.1). Please, please, don't say you don't like this. There is nothing you are going to say which we don't know . Our goal was to provide a digital connection for video which people wanted for some of their TVs. And of course, single cable A/V connection. So if having analog video bothered you before, you can now use digital. If you lacked component/VGA on your TV, you are in business with Xbox 360 Elite.

Keep in mind that the spring software update for HD DVD substantially improves audio fidelity. Per above, you now have a choice of no less than three output formats.

If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite.

Answering other questions, both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output ("7.5 IRE vs 0"). And as someone mentioned, using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking. So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD. The HD DVD software update is separate from this (and will be available on both Xbox Live and xbox.com).

On output video format, Xbox 360 Elite will perform a handshake and select the appropriate RGB/YUV settings over HDMI. You cannot select it yourself.

The spring HD DVD software update will fix all the lip sync issues that have been reported/we know of.

There is no support for the WMV-HD disc format but of course, you can put WMV files on discs and Xbox 360 will play them.

Wow, the X360 sucks. :D

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Medjai

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

TC's probably pissed because the wii can only do 480p and 2 ch. stereo.

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

latinrage69

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

TC's probably pissed because the wii can only do 480p and 2 ch. stereo.

Nah, using the STR-DA5200ES, I can do this.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa276/Windurst/IMGP0634.jpg

many PC games.Hewkii

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

TC's probably pissed because the wii can only do 480p and 2 ch. stereo.

Nah, using the STR-DA5200ES, I can do this.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa276/Windurst/IMGP0634.jpg

you do realize that the tv is upscaling a 480p image to 1080p and not that the wii is outputting a 1080p signal. the wii is essentially a gamecube with a new control and a dvd drive (which still can't play dvd movies).

while what you see on the tv may look "good", it's practically the difference between an upscaled dvd and hd dvd/blu-ray. the upscaled dvd may look good, but it is not high def.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

that's because at this time, HD audio is unnecessary in games.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

latinrage69

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

TC's probably pissed because the wii can only do 480p and 2 ch. stereo.

Nah, using the STR-DA5200ES, I can do this.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa276/Windurst/IMGP0634.jpg

you do realize that the tv is upscaling a 480p image to 1080p and not that the wii is outputting a 1080p signal. the wii is essentially a gamecube with a new control and a dvd drive (which still can't play dvd movies).

while what you see on the tv may look "good", it's practically the difference between an upscaled dvd and hd dvd/blu-ray. the upscaled dvd may look good, but it is not high def.

Actually, it's the receiver that is upscaling the 480p image to 1080p. And yes, I know it can't match my PS3 and the 1080p blu-ray movies I have for it.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.latinrage69

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

that's because at this time, HD audio is unnecessary in games.

I heard Crysis might be using lossless audio. Alot of things are "unnecessary", but it's still nice to have.

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

TC's probably pissed because the wii can only do 480p and 2 ch. stereo.

Nah, using the STR-DA5200ES, I can do this.

you do realize that the tv is upscaling a 480p image to 1080p and not that the wii is outputting a 1080p signal. the wii is essentially a gamecube with a new control and a dvd drive (which still can't play dvd movies).

while what you see on the tv may look "good", it's practically the difference between an upscaled dvd and hd dvd/blu-ray. the upscaled dvd may look good, but it is not high def.

Actually, it's the receiver that is upscaling the 480p image to 1080p. And yes, I know it can't match my PS3 and the 1080p blu-ray movies I have for it.

i can only see the tv in that pic (by the way, nice tv.) unless if that's the AVR in the lower right corner of the pic. i have an older (almost 4 years old) Sony STR-DE597 with HD component pass through (no upscaling). the beautiful thing is if you set the AVR to Dolby Pro Logic II, and set the wii to the same, the AVR will simulate surround sound rather than giving you 2 ch. audio. if you leave the AVR set to A.F.D and the wii set to stereo, you'll only get 2ch. audio.

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Wii1080p

every PC game, since I have an 8800GTX and X-fi platinum

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

that's because at this time, HD audio is unnecessary in games.

I heard Crysis might be using lossless audio. Alot of things are "unnecessary", but it's still nice to have.

i never heard about that but in order to utilize the HD audio, you'll need a sound card that is able to decode those codecs, uless if the devs decide to use LPCM in which you can use any dolby digital compliant sound card; but the game will require more space because of the audio.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

latinrage69

do 360 games count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

360 Elite has HDMI 1.1. It can pass LPCM

I still don't see the point here

TC's probably pissed because the wii can only do 480p and 2 ch. stereo.

Nah, using the STR-DA5200ES, I can do this.

you do realize that the tv is upscaling a 480p image to 1080p and not that the wii is outputting a 1080p signal. the wii is essentially a gamecube with a new control and a dvd drive (which still can't play dvd movies).

while what you see on the tv may look "good", it's practically the difference between an upscaled dvd and hd dvd/blu-ray. the upscaled dvd may look good, but it is not high def.

Actually, it's the receiver that is upscaling the 480p image to 1080p. And yes, I know it can't match my PS3 and the 1080p blu-ray movies I have for it.

i can only see the tv in that pic (by the way, nice tv.) unless if that's the AVR in the lower right corner of the pic. i have an older (almost 4 years old) Sony STR-DE597 with HD component pass through (no upscaling). the beautiful thing is if you set the AVR to Dolby Pro Logic II, and set the wii to the same, the AVR will simulate surround sound rather than giving you 2 ch. audio. if you leave the AVR set to A.F.D and the wii set to stereo, you'll only get 2ch. audio.

It's in the shelf under the PS3. Its outside of the picture so you can't see it. You can tell it's hooked up though because if you look at the display, the TV says it is displaying a "1080p" picture. If the Wii were hooked directlyto the TV, it would say "480p." Also, Video 7 on the XBR2 is an HDMI port, which the receiver is hooked up to. Obviously, the Wii doesn't have HDMI output.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.latinrage69

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

that's because at this time, HD audio is unnecessary in games.

I heard Crysis might be using lossless audio. Alot of things are "unnecessary", but it's still nice to have.

i never heard about that but in order to utilize the HD audio, you'll need a sound card that is able to decode those codecs, uless if the devs decide to use LPCM in which you can use any dolby digital compliant sound card; but the game will require more space because of the audio.

LPCM is the easiest way to go. DVDs are cheap now anyways. They might as well use LPCM.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Any game that's 720p and up natively is true HD. That would be any 360 or PS3 game available today. Anything else is just extra.heretrix

Nope, because video is only half the HD experience. Audio is the other half.

Correct, the 6.1 and 7.1 systems are for income, they do not create any extra dramatic difference...unless you like sound screeching in your ears from 7 different places.

-gl hf
~Xbx

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]Wii1080p

It's in the shelf under the PS3. Its outside of the picture so you can't see it. You can tell it's hooked up though because if you look at the display, the TV says it is displaying a "1080p" picture. If the Wii were hooked directlyto the TV, it would say "480p." Also, Video 7 on the XBR2 is an HDMI port, which the receiver is hooked up to. Obviously, the Wii doesn't have HDMI output.

hey noobsauce edit your quotes down

LPCM is the easiest way to go. DVDs are cheap now anyways. They might as well use LPCM.

Wii1080p

it may be useful for games but it will require multiple disks (no problems there) but is not really useful for HD movies due to high storage space requirements, that why Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA were created, to give bit-for-bit accuracy and compression to save disk space. the downside is that an AVR needs to have a TrueHD or DTS-MA decoder chipset.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]Medjai

It's in the shelf under the PS3. Its outside of the picture so you can't see it. You can tell it's hooked up though because if you look at the display, the TV says it is displaying a "1080p" picture. If the Wii were hooked directlyto the TV, it would say "480p." Also, Video 7 on the XBR2 is an HDMI port, which the receiver is hooked up to. Obviously, the Wii doesn't have HDMI output.

hey noobsauce edit your quotes down

don't insult other users. that's cause for suspension. trust me, i know from experience. a lot of experience.

Yeah, 7.1 isn't the greatest thing out there. A lot of 5.1 set ups give better sound than most 7.1 setups.

This is my current speakers for my PC/PS3 area.

They don't disappoint me one bit.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

LPCM is the easiest way to go. DVDs are cheap now anyways. They might as well use LPCM.

latinrage69

it may be useful for games but it will require multiple disks (no problems there) but is not really useful for HD movies due to high storage space requirements, that why Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA were created, to give bit-for-bit accuracy and compression to save disk space. the downside is that an AVR needs to have a TrueHD or DTS-MA decoder chipset.

There's plenty of room on HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray for LPCM.

What the hell is HD audio?-Sora

Lossless audio (EG. LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA)

Yeah, 7.1 isn't the greatest thing out there. A lot of 5.1 set ups give better sound than most 7.1 setups.

This is my current speakers for my PC/PS3 area.

They don't disappoint me one bit.

NobuoMusicMaker