List all the "True HD" games you can think of...

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

LPCM is the easiest way to go. DVDs are cheap now anyways. They might as well use LPCM.

Wii1080p

it may be useful for games but it will require multiple disks (no problems there) but is not really useful for HD movies due to high storage space requirements, that why Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA were created, to give bit-for-bit accuracy and compression to save disk space. the downside is that an AVR needs to have a TrueHD or DTS-MA decoder chipset.

There's plenty of room on HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray for LPCM.

but not for bandwidth. that's more important than storage space. blu-ray has a higher bandwidth and storage space than hd dvd but hd dvd is more efficient and cost effective. the fact that an LPCM track takes upto 10mbps of bandwidth while the video takes upto 20mbps leaves only 20 mbps for additional audio options (such as DD+ or additional languages), pip, and extra content. that's for blu-ray, for hd dvd, it only leaves 10 mbps for all the audio options, pip, and extra content.

here's a link to avs forum for more info.

What the hell is HD audio?-Sora

it's something that people who don't have a lot of good games to play worry about.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Yeah, 7.1 isn't the greatest thing out there. A lot of 5.1 set ups give better sound than most 7.1 setups.

This is my current speakers for my PC/PS3 area.

They don't disappoint me one bit.

heretrix

I hear ya man. I barely even go over 3 bars because it's already so loud. I especially like that sticker on the subwoofer that say "Please place 2 metres away from electronic devices". Made me rofl so hard. The electromagnetic waves can actually destroy things.

[QUOTE="-Sora"]What the hell is HD audio?Wii1080p

Lossless audio (EG. LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA)

not necessarily. i means audio mastered at higher bit rates to provide more immersing sound and a wider variety of audible nuances. lossless audio means that none of the sound was lost from the transfer of the master audio to a digital codec. the same is done for data sources. it can be done forvideo but requires massive amounts of storage and bandwidth, which at this point cannot be offered by any optical format, not even holographic disks (maybe stable ferro-electric disks, i have to check.)

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

LPCM is the easiest way to go. DVDs are cheap now anyways. They might as well use LPCM.

Wii1080p

it may be useful for games but it will require multiple disks (no problems there) but is not really useful for HD movies due to high storage space requirements, that why Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA were created, to give bit-for-bit accuracy and compression to save disk space. the downside is that an AVR needs to have a TrueHD or DTS-MA decoder chipset.

There's plenty of room on HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray for LPCM.

Maybe because a DL DVD is only 8.5GB, DL HD DVD is 30GB, DL Blu-ray is 50GB

I thought that digital audio was already HD enough... :?Funkyhamster

not true. most mp3's (around 128 kbps and 192 kbps) do not sound as good as CD audio. though they sound about the same most people, there actually is a difference.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

LPCM is the easiest way to go. DVDs are cheap now anyways. They might as well use LPCM.

BadAndy642

it may be useful for games but it will require multiple disks (no problems there) but is not really useful for HD movies due to high storage space requirements, that why Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA were created, to give bit-for-bit accuracy and compression to save disk space. the downside is that an AVR needs to have a TrueHD or DTS-MA decoder chipset.

There's plenty of room on HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray for LPCM.

Maybe because a DL DVD is only 8.5GB, DL HD DVD is 30GB, DL Blu-ray is 50GB

bandwidth limitations are a hige factor. look at one of my previous posts for more info.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="-Sora"]What the hell is HD audio?latinrage69

Lossless audio (EG. LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA)

not necessarily. i means audio mastered at higher bit rates to provide more immersing sound and a wider variety of audible nuances. lossless audio means that none of the sound was lost from the transfer of the master audio to a digital codec. the same is done for data sources. it can be done forvideo but requires massive amounts of storage and bandwidth, which at this point cannot be offered by any optical format, not even holographic disks (maybe stable ferro-electric disks, i have to check.)

Exactly. DVD-A and SACD were far more superior in audio quality than DolbyHD or DTSHD. A typical Dobly TrueHD track is 24-bit/48khz, while a typical album in DVD-A was 24-bit/96khz in 5.1 surround of 24-bit/192khz stereo.

every pc game for the PC since 1998 (1600x1200)power_rangerer

1) 1600x1200 isn't 1080p (1980x1080)

2) Those games arent natively 1600x1200. Most are either 1024x768 or 800x600 native

3) They don't have lossless audio.

[QUOTE="power_rangerer"]every pc game for the PC since 1998 (1600x1200)Wii1080p

1) 1600x1200 isn't 1080p (1980x1080)

2) Those games arent natively 1600x1200. Most are either 1024x768 or 800x600 native

3) They don't have lossless audio.

they can be easily made 1980 x 1080 by setting a custom resolution. you dont have to buy a $5000 tv just to play a crap ps3 game in 1080p. if you use surround with a decent sound chipyou can hardly tell the difference in sound.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="power_rangerer"]every pc game for the PC since 1998 (1600x1200)power_rangerer

1) 1600x1200 isn't 1080p (1980x1080)

2) Those games arent natively 1600x1200. Most are either 1024x768 or 800x600 native

3) They don't have lossless audio.

they can be easily made 1980 x 1080 by setting a custom resolution. you dont have to buy a $5000 tv just to play a crap ps3 game in 1080p. if you use surround with a decent sound chipyou can hardly tell the difference in sound.

It wouldn't be native though. It would be upscaled... like this.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa276/Windurst/IMGP0634.jpg

It's very nice, but it's still 480p upscaled to 1080p.

Also, it's not the sound chip as much as the quality of speakers. I can tell the difference on my setup between Dolby TrueHD/LPCM and Dolby Digital. One is clearer and sounds more crisp than the other.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Bebi_vegeta

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

[QUOTE="power_rangerer"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="power_rangerer"]every pc game for the PC since 1998 (1600x1200)Wii1080p

1) 1600x1200 isn't 1080p (1980x1080)

2) Those games arent natively 1600x1200. Most are either 1024x768 or 800x600 native

3) They don't have lossless audio.

they can be easily made 1980 x 1080 by setting a custom resolution. you dont have to buy a $5000 tv just to play a crap ps3 game in 1080p. if you use surround with a decent sound chipyou can hardly tell the difference in sound.

It wouldn't be native though. It would be upscaled... like this.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa276/Windurst/IMGP0634.jpg

It's very nice, but it's still 480p upscaled to 1080p.

Also, it's not the sound chip as much as the quality of speakers. I can tell the difference on my setup between Dolby TrueHD/LPCM and Dolby Digital. One is clearer and sounds more crisp than the other.

? that was a pic of zelda. here is a pic of unfinished crysis for pc

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Bebi_vegeta

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Any game that's 720p and up natively is true HD. That would be any 360 or PS3 game available today. Anything else is just extra.Xbxg32000

Nope, because video is only half the HD experience. Audio is the other half.

Correct, the 6.1 and 7.1 systems are for income, they do not create any extra dramatic difference...unless you like sound screeching in your ears from 7 different places.

-gl hf
~Xbx

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

So this is not HD audio?

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Bebi_vegeta

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

So this is not HD audio?

It is, but which piece of software uses it? I never said PCs can't do HD Audio. I said there weren't any games that I am aware of that used HD Audio yet.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

So this is not HD audio?

It is, but which piece of software uses it? I never said PCs can't do HD Audio. I said there weren't any games that I am aware of that used HD Audio yet.

Have you neved played a PC game?

here's an example BF2

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Bebi_vegeta

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

So this is not HD audio?

It is, but which piece of software uses it? I never said PCs can't do HD Audio. I said there weren't any games that I am aware of that used HD Audio yet.

Have you neved played a PC game?

here's an example BF2

Um... that just asks you what sound card you have. The sounds used in BF2 isn't lossless audio. It's lossy.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

So this is not HD audio?

It is, but which piece of software uses it? I never said PCs can't do HD Audio. I said there weren't any games that I am aware of that used HD Audio yet.

Have you neved played a PC game?

here's an example BF2

Um... that just asks you what sound card you have. The sounds used in BF2 isn't lossless audio. It's lossy.

You can chose what audio output you want, from software to hardware.

Unless you can prove me otherwise with a link.

Wow there are alot of misinformed people on this thread who dont know what they are talking aboutMafia17

then why don't you enlighten us, oh mighty genius.

I don't think any games have ever used lossless audio and even if they did barely anyone would have the soundsystem to appreciate it. Any game that runs at least 720P natively counts as HD IMO. This includes most recent PC games.meggido

Currently, no PC game has ever used lossless audio. That will probably change in the next year or two though as LPCM takes over.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]many PC games.Wii1080p

There aren't any PC games that use HD Audio.

get yourself a sound card http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=1&

Stop saying crap...

Learn about HD Audio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPCM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Theater_System#DTS_variants

Stop saying crap...

Yeah real crap, http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=15854

Yup, crap. You pointed to a sound card. Where's the software which uses LPCM, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA or any other form of Lossless Audio?

You might as well have a link to any HDMI receiver that is capable of processing LPCM

So this is not HD audio?

It is, but which piece of software uses it? I never said PCs can't do HD Audio. I said there weren't any games that I am aware of that used HD Audio yet.

Have you neved played a PC game?

here's an example BF2

Um... that just asks you what sound card you have. The sounds used in BF2 isn't lossless audio. It's lossy.

You can chose what audio output you want, from software to hardware.

Unless you can prove me otherwise with a link.

That's not relevant. The sound bytes included in the game arent coded as lossless audio. So it doesn't matter if you are choosing software emulation or using the hardware, it's still lossy audio.

Unless you see LPCM 5.1-7.1, or the Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA logos, it's lossy audio. (Dolby Digtital, DTS, or in the case of PCs, EAX).

http://www.creative.com/press/releases/welcome.asp?pid=12047

[QUOTE="meggido"]I don't think any games have ever used lossless audio and even if they did barely anyone would have the soundsystem to appreciate it. Any game that runs at least 720P natively counts as HD IMO. This includes most recent PC games.Wii1080p

Currently, no PC game has ever used lossless audio. That will probably change in the next year or two though as LPCM takes over.

Until games come on next generation formats (Edit: I guess on Blu Ray it is feasible), I don't see why lossless audio is so important. Not only does it take up a large amount of space but as I already pointed at very few people will be able to hear the difference.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="meggido"]I don't think any games have ever used lossless audio and even if they did barely anyone would have the soundsystem to appreciate it. Any game that runs at least 720P natively counts as HD IMO. This includes most recent PC games.meggido

Currently, no PC game has ever used lossless audio. That will probably change in the next year or two though as LPCM takes over.

Until games come on next generation formats (Edit: I guess on Blu Ray it is feasible), I don't see why lossless audio is so important. Not only does it take up a large amount of space but as I already pointed at very few people will be able to hear the difference.

I can hear the difference...

Anyways, I'm still skeptical on EAX HD. I'm not really sure if it's lossless audio or not.

[QUOTE="Mafia17"]Wow there are alot of misinformed people on this thread who dont know what they are talking aboutlatinrage69

then why don't you enlighten us, oh mighty genius.

too many misinformed people i dont know where to start. lol Plus they will just argue that they are right so i dont even bother.

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="meggido"]I don't think any games have ever used lossless audio and even if they did barely anyone would have the soundsystem to appreciate it. Any game that runs at least 720P natively counts as HD IMO. This includes most recent PC games.meggido

Currently, no PC game has ever used lossless audio. That will probably change in the next year or two though as LPCM takes over.

Until games come on next generation formats (Edit: I guess on Blu Ray it is feasible), I don't see why lossless audio is so important. Not only does it take up a large amount of space but as I already pointed at very few people will be able to hear the difference.

actually very few people have the equipment to handle it. that's why SACD's and DVD-A's died out, along with the fact that most people listen to music in the car, in portable music players, or when they are on the go. most people don't listen to them at home anymore.

[QUOTE="latinrage69"]

[QUOTE="Mafia17"]Wow there are alot of misinformed people on this thread who dont know what they are talking aboutMafia17

then why don't you enlighten us, oh mighty genius.

too many misinformed people i dont know where to start. lol Plus they will just argue that they are right so i dont even bother.

why don't you give it a try.

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="latinrage69"]

[QUOTE="Mafia17"]Wow there are alot of misinformed people on this thread who dont know what they are talking aboutlatinrage69

then why don't you enlighten us, oh mighty genius.

too many misinformed people i dont know where to start. lol Plus they will just argue that they are right so i dont even bother.

why don't you give it a try.

No im good

HD visuals >>>>>> HD audio

this thread has become too technical. A war with numbers and decimals.
And yet none of them know the tender beauty of a Mozart aria. What good did your numbers do, mortal, when you closed yourself off to real heavenly sounds?

I found 2...

1) Warhawk

2) Resistance

Wii1080p

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

I found 2...

1) Warhawk

2) Resistance

johnusabeis

When you turn on Resistance, check your Receiver LED.

It's 7.1 LPCM (Uncompressed lossless audio)

[QUOTE="johnusabeis"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

I found 2...

1) Warhawk

2) Resistance

Wii1080p

When you turn on Resistance, check your Receiver LED.

It's 7.1 LPCM (Uncompressed lossless audio)

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

In order for a game to be "True HD",

1) The video must be natively at an HD resolution (720p/1080i/1080p)

2) The audio must be HD audio (Lossless audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD or LPCM 5.1-7.1.

Medjai

do 360 games not count because they don't use "HD audio" is that the point of this thread?

[QUOTE="Wii1080p"][QUOTE="johnusabeis"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

I found 2...

1) Warhawk

2) Resistance

johnusabeis

When you turn on Resistance, check your Receiver LED.

It's 7.1 LPCM (Uncompressed lossless audio)

7.1 LPCM is uncompressed HD Audio. Think of it this way.

Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA is like a zip file. When you "unzip" Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA (called decoding), you get LPCM.

[QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="latinrage69"]

[QUOTE="Mafia17"]Wow there are alot of misinformed people on this thread who dont know what they are talking aboutMafia17

then why don't you enlighten us, oh mighty genius.

too many misinformed people i dont know where to start. lol Plus they will just argue that they are right so i dont even bother.

why don't you give it a try.

No im good

I could sit here and say I can solve the Goldbach's Conjecture...then when some1 asks for the proof I say no I am good it would be a waste of my time to show you simpletons my superior knowledge

[QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="latinrage69"][QUOTE="Mafia17"][QUOTE="latinrage69"]

[QUOTE="Mafia17"]Wow there are alot of misinformed people on this thread who dont know what they are talking aboutMedjai

then why don't you enlighten us, oh mighty genius.

too many misinformed people i dont know where to start. lol Plus they will just argue that they are right so i dont even bother.

why don't you give it a try.

No im good

I could sit here and say I can solve the Goldbach's Conjecture...then when some1 asks for the proof I say no I am good it would be a waste of my time to show you simpletons my superior knowledge

don't mind him. he's just speaking out of his ass because tech. jargon made him mute.

don't mind him. he's just speaking out of his ass because tech. jargon made him mute.latinrage69

[QUOTE="latinrage69"]don't mind him. he's just speaking out of his ass because tech. jargon made him mute.Medjai

i just let him hang himself with his stupidity. there's no point in arguing with someone who has no idea what he's talking about. it's like throwing punches in the dark to see if you can hit someone.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Any game that's 720p and up natively is true HD. That would be any 360 or PS3 game available today. Anything else is just extra.Wii1080p

Nope, because video is only half the HD experience. Audio is the other half.

Nah, there's a huge difference (if you have good quality speakers and a decent amp) between Dolby Digital 5.1 and LPCM 5.1/Dolby TrueHD 5.1.

I can't say about DTS-HD MA yet since I havent heard it but it should be pretty similar to LPCM 5.1

No there isn't a "huge difference". It's very hard to notice on untrained ears, and really only apparent on really good reference monitors. DD 5.1 is absolutely fine.

Who gives a crap about the audio? Even the developers themselves dont, which is why its rarely focused on.

I play games for the interactivity, not the audio.

XaosII

There's no way you've played Call of Duty 2 on a great 5.1 system. Otherwise you wouldn't say that. Audio is the most underestimated part of the package. Audio can make or break a game. It's what immerses you.

When playing a football game, you would hear tackles and grunts going on all around you as yourun the ball down the field. In CoD2, you hear planes whizzing overhead, with the sound of tanks in the distance, bullets flying from every direction, and soldiers screaming for help. In shooters its critical for situational awareness.

Audio is always focused on. It IS the last on the development chain 9 times out of 10, and gets the smallest amount of resources for the most part, but that definitely doesn't means devs don't care about it, it's simply more of what the general consumer wants, and thats pretty visuals. You also hype your game with sreens, not audio snippets, so it makes more business sense.

Sorry for the rant, but audio to me is huge, and it saddens me when people underestimate its value.