LISTEN!!! Enough it's a FACT Forza >>>>>> GT PERIOD!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Why isn't he? Its a driving sim, if hes driven before then he is qualified; especially when GT5 isn't just full of exotic cars like some other games. Adrian_Cloud

However, he has driven a car, therefore according to you he is an all knowing source of information about driving. I should ask him some tips.

Forza = arcade racer.

Id rather play ridge racer 6 or 7.

lucky_star

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3866345

Zanoh

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] My friend has been in 10 wrecks, caused all of them himself. He has totalled 4 cars. He has lost his driver's license.

However, he has driven a car, therefore according to you he is an all knowing source of information about driving. I should ask him some tips.

Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Why isn't he? Its a driving sim, if hes driven before then he is qualified; especially when GT5 isn't just full of exotic cars like some other games. Adrian_Cloud

Yes, and everyone who has driven before is as qualified as anyone else to comment on how realistic a driving game is. So, my cousin who just started driving less than a year ago is just as qualified as Michael Schumacher in judging how realistic a racing sim is according to your logic. :|

Yes, you do have to do them to advance to some of the higher race classes in GT4 and earlier and that has virtually nothing to do with determining a game's realism. That detrmines the skill of the person behind the wheel or in most cases the controller. Driving skill with a controller does not automatically transmit to skill behind the wheel of an actual car. I am good at racing games with both wheels and with controllers but I do not think I would be as good driving a Z06 in real life because there are more factors to worry about than just the wheel or the controller such as inertia and g-forces that you do not and cannot feel in a game.

I compared my cousin to Michael Schumacher to show you how broken your logic is. You are essentially saying that everyone who has driven before at some point in their lives, no matter how long, is just as qualified as anyone else in judging a game's realism and that's not even remotely true. This Doolz person is not as qualified as an actual race car driver who has years of real-world experience driving real race cars in judging how realistic Forza 3 is. Pure and simple.

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy. Adrian_Cloud

sure since Rewind Button = Simulation. HAHAHAHAHAH. this response will spur alot of "bu-bu-but it's an option!" and "oh, i'ver never used it. like never." yeah right. :roll:

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Yes, and everyone who has driven before is as qualified as anyone else to comment on how realistic a driving game is. So, my cousin who just started driving less than a year ago is just as qualified as Michael Schumacher in judging how realistic a racing sim is according to your logic. :|

The_Game21x

Yes, you do have to do them to advance to some of the higher race classes in GT4 and earlier and that has virtually nothing to do with determining a game's realism. That detrmines the skill of the person behind the wheel or in most cases the controller. Driving skill with a controller does not automatically transmit to skill behind the wheel of an actual car. I am good at racing games with both wheels and with controllers but I do not think I would be as good driving a Z06 in real life because there are more factors to worry about than just the wheel or the controller such as inertia and g-forces that you do not and cannot feel in a game.

I compared my cousin to Michael Schumacher to show you how broken your logic is. You are essentially saying that everyone who has driven before at some point in their lives, no matter how long, is just as qualified as anyone else in judging a game's realism and that's not even remotely true. This Doolz person is not as qualified as an actual race car driver who has years of real-world experience driving real race cars in judging how realistic Forza 3 is. Pure and simple.

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy.

Adrian_Cloud

Oh my... :lol:

There is so much wrong in this statement alone that I don't even know how to properly respond to it. There are no words in the English language that can properly convey how logically broken this statement is.

So I'll just post this.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Richymisiak"] but to judge how realistic a racing sim is, you HAVE to be a racing driver *facepalm*Richymisiak

what bout jezza off top gear, i mean top gear even went to a great length to show sims arent all that realistic using GT4 (wasa fairly old ep) heck they even said both Forza's feel slightly like driving on ice.Im sure any of the staff at top gear would be just as competant.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy. Skittles_McGee

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy.

Adrian_Cloud

See that face? He's not buying your argument. Try again.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy.

The_Game21x

Oh my... :lol:

There is so much wrong in this statement alone that I don't even know how to properly respond to it. There are no words in the English language that can properly convey how logically broken this statement is.

So I'll just post this.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] GT games have a mode where you do license tests, i think you might actually have to do with them to progress to higher race classes. People who drive poorly in real life, or haven't driven at all do very bad in those tests. I don't see the point comparing your cousin to one of the greatest F1 racers of all time. Hes more qualified than a lot of F1 engineers, your not proving anything. Adrian_Cloud

Yes, you do have to do them to advance to some of the higher race classes in GT4 and earlier and that has virtually nothing to do with determining a game's realism. That detrmines the skill of the person behind the wheel or in most cases the controller. Driving skill with a controller does not automatically transmit to skill behind the wheel of an actual car. I am good at racing games with both wheels and with controllers but I do not think I would be as good driving a Z06 in real life because there are more factors to worry about than just the wheel or the controller such as inertia and g-forces that you do not and cannot feel in a game.

I compared my cousin to Michael Schumacher to show you how broken your logic is. You are essentially saying that everyone who has driven before at some point in their lives, no matter how long, is just as qualified as anyone else in judging a game's realism and that's not even remotely true. This Doolz person is not as qualified as an actual race car driver who has years of real-world experience driving real race cars in judging how realistic Forza 3 is. Pure and simple.

What part of the words "not as qualified" are you not getting? I didn't say Doolz isn't qualified, just that he isn't as qualified as real race car drivers and the gaming press who believe that Forza 3 is realistic, so there's literally no reason to accept his opinion that Forza 3 isn't realistic and call it a day. No reason at all.

If everyone looked up and said the sky was blue and then one guy who can barely see looked up and said it was green, who do you think I'm going to believe?

Look guys its not like I have ever driven a real car with a game controler and sofa for a car seat! Enough with all this realism stuff they are games!

Its not like you have consequences like in real life if you crash. The only way that could happen is if you have your buddy throwing busted glass and dashboard parts at your face while playing!

Jessesalinas... is that you? :lol:

Doolz2024

Naw man its Pimp_Dog :lol:

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy. Adrian_Cloud

And this is not to say that GT5 will not be amazing and good it will I'm sure of it. But lets get these facts strait. PD has been shivering in there boots for years from Turn 10.

Listen FACT GT5 was done last summer/Fall. PD even said this and claimed they could release the game. And it was planned to be released for the holidays to go head to head with Forza 3. Ok NOW HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED. And don't take my word for it many many developers and mag sites said the same thing. Back at TGS last fall. Forza 3 was shown and played at a demo booth and same was GT5. And word in the crowd and the vibe was that everyone clearly thought Forza 3was the better game.

So all the sudden PD panicked and delayed once again. WHY because they keep getting owned and are scared to just release the game because they know they don't have the better game. It's already bad enough it has been 5 years at that point last fall for PD in development/ And Turn 10 can crank out AAA after AAA every few years.

With all this said YES when GT5 come out holiday 10 it will be a great game and might even be as good as Forza. But why you say because PD took 6 years and delayed and copied everything and try to one up anything Turn 10 has released because they clearly can not just release and win that way.

Now here is the thing. Forza 4 is already in development. We will most likely see some info at E3 this year on Forza 4. So this is what is going to happen GT5 will release holiday 10 I should say with a grain of salt who knows. But anyway. Then all Turn 10 is going to do is release Forza 4 and it will WIPE THE FLOOR with GT once again.

It's an inebitable FACT Turn 10 is the better race sim developer PERIORD. And if PD release and goes head to head with Turn 10 they will loose everytime and they know this. So WHO CARES at this point how great GT5 may be it's 6+ years of being scraed and copying and holding Turn 10's JOCk STRAP PERIOD!!!!!!

EliteShadowDog

This is why I know TC doesn't know the difference between facts and hearsay.

Look guys its not like I have ever driven a real car with a game controler and sofa for a car seat! Enough with all this realism stuff they are games!

Its not like you have consequences like in real life if you crash. The only way that could happen is if you have your buddy throwing busted glass and dashboard parts at your face while playing!

vaderhater

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy.

Adrian_Cloud

Oh my... :lol:

There is so much wrong in this statement alone that I don't even know how to properly respond to it. There are no words in the English language that can properly convey how logically broken this statement is.

So I'll just post this.

That has nothing to do with anything.

Fact of the matter is, someone who has years of experience in a field related to a certain subject, (IE racing in this instance) is more qualified to judge whether or not something is true to life than someone who has no experience in that field (unless Doolz secretly has a career in racing that no one knows about). That is a fact. Deny it all you like, this is reality.

Oh, and you're one to talk about growing up when all you can say in response to me is ad hominem. Very nice. :)

Hmmmmm let's check Metacritic shall we?

Forza Motorsport 1- 92

Forza Motorsport 2- 90

Forza Motorsport 3- 92

Gran Turismo- 96

Gran Turismo 2- 93

Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec- 95

Gran Turismo 4- 89

Uh maybe Forza is better than GT4 was but not a single Forza game has ever matched the critical acclaim received by the first 4, and Forza's lowest score, at a 90, is only 1 better than GT's.

I don't see the fact. If anything it's a fact Gran Turismo is better. But realistically it's opinion. I have a PS3 and a 360 and personally if I had to choose a racing game I'd choose neither and go for Mario Kart Wii or Modnation Racers. Nothing's a fact here.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Oh my... :lol:

There is so much wrong in this statement alone that I don't even know how to properly respond to it. There are no words in the English language that can properly convey how logically broken this statement is.

So I'll just post this.

The_Game21x

That has nothing to do with anything.

Fact of the matter is, someone who has years of experience in a field related to a certain subject, (IE racing in this instance) is more qualified to judge whether or not something is true to life than someone who has no experience in that field (unless Doolz secretly has a career in racing that no one knows about). That is a fact. Deny it all you like, this is reality.

Oh, and you're one to talk about growing up when all you can say in response to me is ad hominem. Very nice. :)

GT is for people that like driving

MizFitAwesome

[QUOTE="lafigueroa"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy.

Adrian_Cloud

See that face? He's not buying your argument. Try again.

You know what, you obviously probably don't even have a job. I work in the trades and i know a lot of my superiors that still make simple mistakes you do when your an apprentice. So once you grow up and actually start living in the real world, you'll find this to be true.Quote me i really don't care. Ignorance at best.

Forza = good.

GT = good.

THEY WILL BOTH BE GOOD!!!

My gosh people. This is the biggest console fanboy war I have ever seen. And NO its not about the games. We ALL know that this is a PS3 VS 360 thread in disguise.

1st of all your post above was stupid if you actually had a job you notice this a lot especially in professions where its not how qualified you actually are but who you know. Second of all this post again was nonsense, since i never said he was as qualified as schumacher. The whole discussion was about him being able to drive and that being good enough to tell if the game is realistic, and i say it is. Thats what its about not him vs a pro race driver, not experience in a profession vs qualification(where again your comment was ignorant). Adrian_Cloud

Yeah, you just keep the ad hominem coming. And you say I need to grow up. :lol:

Whatever, I've said all I need to say. You can continue to debate this issue all you like but it doesn't matter, no one is siding with you on this matter because they realize how wrong you are.

The fact of the matter is, there is absolutely no reason to accept Doolz's opinion on Forza 3 as fact versus an actual race car driver. If you can't understand why, then I believe you need to grow up a bit and get in touch with reality.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

Just because you have more experience in a profession doesn't make you more qualified than the next guy.

Adrian_Cloud

Oh my... :lol:

There is so much wrong in this statement alone that I don't even know how to properly respond to it. There are no words in the English language that can properly convey how logically broken this statement is.

So I'll just post this.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="lafigueroa"]

See that face? He's not buying your argument. Try again.

sam_nintendo

You know what, you obviously probably don't even have a job. I work in the trades and i know a lot of my superiors that still make simple mistakes you do when your an apprentice. So once you grow up and actually start living in the real world, you'll find this to be true.Quote me i really don't care. Ignorance at best.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="lafigueroa"]

See that face? He's not buying your argument. Try again.

sam_nintendo

You know what, you obviously probably don't even have a job. I work in the trades and i know a lot of my superiors that still make simple mistakes you do when your an apprentice. So once you grow up and actually start living in the real world, you'll find this to be true.Quote me i really don't care. Ignorance at best.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Oh my... :lol:

There is so much wrong in this statement alone that I don't even know how to properly respond to it. There are no words in the English language that can properly convey how logically broken this statement is.

So I'll just post this.

oldkingallant

When you go to school your not taught by your peers.Adrian_Cloud

And why do you think that's true?

[QUOTE="sam_nintendo"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

You know what, you obviously probably don't even have a job. I work in the trades and i know a lot of my superiors that still make simple mistakes you do when your an apprentice. So once you grow up and actually start living in the real world, you'll find this to be true.Quote me i really don't care. Ignorance at best.

Adrian_Cloud

You sound a bit cocky at your job. You seem to be saying you're as good as your superiors even though they are more experienced. Why do I doubt this...... of course you could just say they do the job better, but then you'd be a hypocrite.

[QUOTE="sam_nintendo"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

You know what, you obviously probably don't even have a job. I work in the trades and i know a lot of my superiors that still make simple mistakes you do when your an apprentice. So once you grow up and actually start living in the real world, you'll find this to be true.Quote me i really don't care. Ignorance at best.

Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] You know what, you obviously probably don't even have a job. I work in the trades and i know a lot of my superiors that still make simple mistakes you do when your an apprentice. So once you grow up and actually start living in the real world, you'll find this to be true.Quote me i really don't care. ignorance at best.

Adrian_Cloud

Is this one of those sad incidents in which TC isn't even a troll, but sadly ignorant?

House builders? Plumbers? Dog pee on rugs? LOL off topic we go!

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

GT1, 2 and 3 were by far the best racing games for their time. After that Forza have been the best series. Its a fact.

brennan7777

So, its not a fact that Forza2 or 3 are better than GT5P? You are free to have your opinion but its actually a fact that overall Forza have been a better and more complete series, especially this gen.

Hmmmmm let's check Metacritic shall we?

Forza Motorsport 1- 92

Forza Motorsport 2- 90

Forza Motorsport 3- 92

Gran Turismo- 96

Gran Turismo 2- 93

Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec- 95

Gran Turismo 4- 89

Uh maybe Forza is better than GT4 was but not a single Forza game has ever matched the critical acclaim received by the first 4, and Forza's lowest score, at a 90, is only 1 better than GT's.

I don't see the fact. If anything it's a fact Gran Turismo is better. But realistically it's opinion. I have a PS3 and a 360 and personally if I had to choose a racing game I'd choose neither and go for Mario Kart Wii or Modnation Racers. Nothing's a fact here.

oldkingallant