Little hope for cows in Heavenly Sword or Lair

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#1 Palax
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It's time to break these two games down into what they truly are. Whenever you show a cow a list of exclusive Xbox360 games they always say those games don't interest me. Then cows turn-around and rave about PS3 games like Lair and Heavenly Sword....

So this is my question for cows : WTF is so special about these two games???? Here's a little history for you. The game "Lair" is being made by a development team called Factor 5. Here's a link that will show you there track record.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/company/index.php?company=10614&om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;developer

With the exception of the GC version of Rogue Squadron this team hasn't done anything worth raving about.
Not only that, but, outside of the Star Wars universe....they have no experience.

Moving on to "Heavenly Sword". You cows have been smoking crack if you think this game will be AAA. The development team is called Ninja Theory. This AWESOME development team is responsible for bringing us "Kung Fu Chaos". What did that garbage score again? Need a history lesson?

http://www.gamespot.com/search.html?type=11&stype=all&om_act=convert&om_clk=gssearch&qs=kung+fu+chaos&x=0&y=0

BAM!!! 6.5 WTG NINJA THEORY!!!!!!!! Wait.....there's more....that's the only game they ever made!!!!

So to summarize.....games like Too Human (Silicon Knights) let's hype that. Mass Effect (BIOWARE) the development team says it all. Final Fantasy 13 (Square-Enix) they know how to make an RPG that's for sure. These are games that you want to hype, but the two I listed above are merely games that your HOPING will be good. So stop looking at the purdy pics of these games and claiming pwnage....pictures won't make a game, but Kung Fu Chaos gameplay will break a game.

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#2 RickGotti
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If those were the games that I wwere waiting for, I'd give up gaming

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#3 AHUGECAT
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Just because developers made bad games before, does not mean they will suck later. What was RARE known for before Donkey Kong Country? Bioware before Baldur's Gate? Enough said.
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#4 JPOBS
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Lair will killzone, heavenly sword might motorstorm.
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#5 nhh12345
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lock this.
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#6 Nike_Air
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I like the looks of both. Every game doesn't have to be AAA to be awesome.

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#7 aliasfreak
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I'm no cow, but I do think Heavenly Sword looks like it could be a lot of fun. I'm on the fence about Lair. I see your point of view though.
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#8 Eddie-Vedder
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I´m a cow and I´ll be honest Lair, a dragon game I don´t know, simply because it´s a dragon game, but I have high hopes for heavenly sword, I think it could be a great game.
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#9 WINDWAKER1
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Heavenly Sword looks fun, probably not AAA but still fun, I never did like the look of lair though...

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#10 Yagami-Iori
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With the bashing I heard of Lair's controls & camera angles (from legit sites, not SW fanboys), I'm less excited over the game. And Heavenly will just be GoW with a chick. Not that that's so much bad, just uninspired
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#11 osirisomeomi
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Heavenly Swrod and Lair look cool and fun. I don't see what the dev history of these games has to do with anything. If these games end up sucking, I won't buy them. Too human doesn't look that great to me (like a diablo clone, kinda), and I couldn't care less that it's made by silicon knights. the only company that really matters to me is square enix, because i know that i'll like just about anything that they make because i've liked just about everything that they HAVE made. That's a long list. Even so, I wouldn't get a SE game unless it was said by common opinion to be good.
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#12 Palax
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Just because developers made bad games before, does not mean they will suck later. What was RARE known for before Donkey Kong Country? Bioware before Baldur's Gate? Enough said.AHUGECAT

This poor guy is living in denial.

You go ahead and hype games that are made by the "kung fu chaos" dev team while i sit back and laugh

I did this about a month before Motorstorm came out. I listed all the games that company made and their scores. Used that as my reasoning why Motorstorm shouldnt be hyped. I even predicted the score at 7.9 which was exactly right.

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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/oni/index.html?tag=result;title;0

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#14 Jibil
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I own a 360, you xbox fans overate that system. Xbox360 can't touch the game play of ps3, even comparing games from smaller developers. How about a most improved studio award.
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#15 flashattackfina
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TC that's like saying Hironobu Sakaguchi Sucks because Blue Dragon will never be like FF
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#16 aliasfreak
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I own a 360, you xbox fans overate that system. Xbox360 can't touchthegameplayof ps3, even comparing games from smaller developers. How about a most improved studio award.Jibil

I disagree. Aren't opinions fun?

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Just because developers made bad games before, does not mean they will suck later. What was RARE known for before Donkey Kong Country? Bioware before Baldur's Gate? Enough said.Palax

This poor guy is living in denial.

You go ahead and hype games that are made by the "kung fu chaos" dev team while i sit back and laugh

I did this about a month before Motorstorm came out. I listed all the games that company made and their scores. Used that as my reasoning why Motorstorm shouldnt be hyped. I even predicted the score at 7.9 which was exactly right.

Have you played kung fu chaos. The game was fun, and was made for children. They really couldn't do alolt with what they had. It is like stating the developer treyarch is bad because they made spiderman series. Even though they made the cod seriesright after :(.
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#18 FragginFreak
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Heavenly sword looks like it could be a lot of fun but lair. i mean cmon i cant believe people are hypingthis thing.have you guys even seen the gameplay vids

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#19 Darthmatt
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both look great, but my main concern with this gen is length of the games. Are games getting so huge, so expensive, so time consuming to make that developers can only afford to put together 10 hours of game-play? I hope both games are lenghty.
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#20 MGS9150
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These are the games i'm waiting for:

MGS 4

Tekken 6

Gran Turismo 5

Warhawk

Socom confrontation

Ratchet and Clank

Lair

Heavenly Sword

Uncharted drakes fortune

L.A Noire

God of War 3

Little Big Planet

8 days

Resistance fall of man 2

The Getaway 3

The Agency

Ninja Gaiden Sigma

and a bunch of non exclusives. And these are the games that were announced, i'm sure there are a ton of unannounced games.

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Not so long ago Lair's graphics were being hyped by alot of cows as Gears Killa. There has been so much backtracking in the last month its unbeliveable (since the last screenscreen shots and video strangely enough). At least some of the cows are learning their lesson though, don't hype games with no track record, as AAA before you can see/know anything concrete about the finished version.

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Just because developers made bad games before, does not mean they will suck later. What was RARE known for before Donkey Kong Country? Bioware before Baldur's Gate? Enough said.Palax

This poor guy is living in denial.

You go ahead and hype games that are made by the "kung fu chaos" dev team while i sit back and laugh

I did this about a month before Motorstorm came out. I listed all the games that company made and their scores. Used that as my reasoning why Motorstorm shouldnt be hyped. I even predicted the score at 7.9 which was exactly right.

I do not like the PS3, and I'm a lemming, but what was Bioware known for before Baldur's Gate? Exactly.

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#23 snyper1982
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I own a 360, you xbox fans overate that system. Xbox360 can't touch the game play of ps3, even comparing games from smaller developers. How about a most improved studio award.Jibil

I 100% agree, the 360 can't stoop down low enough to be even compared to the likes of the sorry PS3. I own a PS3 btw, along with VF5, MS, and R:FOM. Still hate the system so far. It's only saving grace in my eyes are MGS and FF.

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#24 OXIIIIXO
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Stuff.Palax

Hey if they like what they see, then let them hype those games. It's not like 360 or Wii fans haven't hyped supposedly great games that turned out to be mediocre.

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#25 ngoniko
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I like the looks of both. Every game doesn't have to be AAA to be awesome.

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#26 ultima-flare
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Not so long ago Lair's graphics were being hyped by alot of cows as Gears Killa. There has been so much backtracking in the last month its unbeliveable (since the last screenscreen shots and video strangely enough). At least some of the cows are learning their lesson though, don't hype games with no track record, as AAA before you can see/know anything concrete about the finished version.

blue_hazy_basic

Depends on you definition of graphics. If you think graphics are just textures/lighting, then GeoW obviously lis graphically superior Lair(and pretty much all upcoming games, besides Crysis). According to Gamespot though, graphics are a combination of textures, lighting, scale, animation, framerate, and resolution(?). Lair has immense scale(hundred of enemies on screen at once, levels 32km in size), 1080p, and runs at a solid 30fps whilst still having textures that are at least comparable to Gears. In this respect, Lair is arguably graphically superior to Gears. Any ways, it all boils down to ones definition of graphics.

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#27 osirisomeomi
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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/oni/index.html?tag=result;title;0

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I actually really enjoyed Oni. It was a really fun game, and it was really fun to beat people up. HARD though by the end.

As for Heavenly Sword, this is why people ar eexcited about it:

List of E3 Awards Gotten By Heavenly Sword...

Next-Gen's Top 20 Playable Games of E3 - Number 1!!! - Linky

GamePro's Top 20 games - Number 1!!! - Linky

Gamespot's People's Choice Awards - Linky

IGN E3 Award for Technological Excellence - Winner - Linky

IGN E3 Best Artistic Design - Winner -Linky

Meristation E3 Best PS3 Game - Winner - Linky

GameDaily E3 Nod Award - Linky

GameZone - BEST OF SHOW (Overall) - Linky

Game Critics Awards - Best Fighting Game -Linky

IGN E3 Best Action Game - Runner up -Linky

IGN E3 Best Graphics - Runner up - Linky

IGN E3 Game of the Show - Runner up - Linky

GameSpy Best of E3 2006 - Top 10 Console Game - Linky

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#28 Magical_Guy
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Lair will play like Rogue Squadron, instead of X-Wings you fly dragons.
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#29 fuman3
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Heres another person saying how bad a game will be before even playing it. Before its even out. Man so many psychics on the gamespot forums. Yes i know cows blow these games up and say stuff about how great these games are when they havent even played yet. If everyone shut up and wait for the game to come out and actually play them. Then you can talk your little smack.
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#30 immortality20
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Well I'm a proud launch 360 owner, and yesterday I boughta PS3 pretty much for Heavenly Sword. Screw Lair though, it looks horrible. Oh, I also wanted to play Resistance really bad :)
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[QUOTE="Palax"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]Just because developers made bad games before, does not mean they will suck later. What was RARE known for before Donkey Kong Country? Bioware before Baldur's Gate? Enough said.nhh12345

This poor guy is living in denial.

You go ahead and hype games that are made by the "kung fu chaos" dev team while i sit back and laugh

I did this about a month before Motorstorm came out. I listed all the games that company made and their scores. Used that as my reasoning why Motorstorm shouldnt be hyped. I even predicted the score at 7.9 which was exactly right.

Have you played kung fu chaos. The game was fun, and was made for children. They really couldn't do alolt with what they had. It is like stating the developer treyarch is bad because they made spiderman series. Even though they made the cod seriesright after :(.

I was under the impression that the only COD games worth playing (COD, and CODII) were from Infinity Ward, and that only COD3, a game that scored considerably less, was made by Treyarch. I could be wrong though.