LOL @ Blu-RAY!

Right let's grind this into peoples heads.

Crysis = less than 6GB, understand?

AnnoyedDragon

if you wanted to include both in a package you they could fit into 1 bluray disc (but not DVD9).

hakanakumono

Both Crysis and Warhead combined add up to 12.4GB.

Are people honestly adding games together now to rationalize the need for Blu-ray? The most graphically advanced shooter to date fits on a dual layer DVD and goes nowhere near filling it, deal with it.

for anyone interested, crysis takes up 6.19GB with 1 language installed. thats less space than a DVD9. i have it on my rig. it says 13GB on the box but im guessing thats just for extra languages. just out of curiosity...does anyoen have the PC version of mass effect installed? a quick poke on dinternet shows that the 360 version is about 6.8GB in size but i cant get much info on ME PC install size. i know the box says 12GB but as crysis has shown..sometimes it can be exaggerated. it would be interesting to see if theres a big discrepency between console games and PC games in terms of the games overall size in terms of GB.osan0

Mass Effect - 10.2GB

Gears - 12GB

Fallout 3 - 5.2GB

Stranglehold - 12GB

BIA Hells Highway - 6.6GB

GTA 4 - 15GB

These are the size of the install folders, i can tell you more if you want.

Regarding additional content this is my thoughts on it, Blu-ray is an enabler of additional content; not the cause.

People talk about Blu-ray having the space to allow additional content but don't consider the costs to make that content. If you made enough content for a Blu-ray disk to become a requirement the game would be too expensive to stay platform exclusive, after all content development costs are what is causing so many games to go cross platform these days.

If you made a game with enough content to require Blu-ray you would only have the PS3 audience to sell to, so why make such a game in the first place? Of the three console audiences PS3 is the smallest, a game of that development cost would need a very large audience to make their money back.

In the end utilizing Blu-ray for serious amounts of additional content is self defeating, which is probably why so many PS3 games only use it for lossless audio and high quality video.

Funny that some lemmings think that DD will be happening sometime soon :lol:. Maybe once half the world is running on fibre optic internet. MS would be stupid not to move onto Blu-ray for next gen.Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Funny that some lemmings think that DD will be happening sometime soon :lol:. Maybe once half the world is running on fibre optic internet. MS would be stupid not to move onto Blu-ray for next gen.Lance_Kalzas

Except if something new came out, Blu ray would be cheaper...which is what MS wants. Grasping at straws is fun.

[QUOTE="osan0"]for anyone interested, crysis takes up 6.19GB with 1 language installed. thats less space than a DVD9. i have it on my rig. it says 13GB on the box but im guessing thats just for extra languages. just out of curiosity...does anyoen have the PC version of mass effect installed? a quick poke on dinternet shows that the 360 version is about 6.8GB in size but i cant get much info on ME PC install size. i know the box says 12GB but as crysis has shown..sometimes it can be exaggerated. it would be interesting to see if theres a big discrepency between console games and PC games in terms of the games overall size in terms of GB.Snagal123

Mass Effect - 10.2GB

Gears - 12GB

Fallout 3 - 5.2GB

Stranglehold - 12GB

BIA Hells Highway - 6.6GB

GTA 4 - 15GB

These are the size of the install folders, i can tell you more if you want.

oo brilliant thank you

I should probably point out that im comparing 360 and PC versions of games since the 360 install system installs everything on the disc to the HDD as far as i know. just for the record. also my sourse for the 360 install size is : http://kotaku.com/5097252/so-how-much-space-do-your-360-games-installs-take-up

well thats interesting now. the PC version of ME is 3.4GB bigger than the 360 version. as far as i know though the PC version also gets the extra content on the 360 as standard....but is that included? anywho i doubt its 3.4GB. ME was 6.8 on the 360.

6.5 for gears on the 360. however did the PC version get extra maps on the disc? there was also some extra content there. its hard to say how much bigger the PC version is if both versions were to match content. i dont have any extra gears content for my 360 so i cant really measure anything but if anyone does....it would be interesting to see.

Fallout3 on the 360-5.9. thats interesting now. in terms of content there identical and the PC version looks better. A quick check on my PC shows an install of 5.62GB but that could be saves taking up space. in terms of size there very close though...with the 360 version possibly being slightly bigger. It just goes to show the importance and effect on shader based rendering this gen. doesent eat up alot of space but makes a world of difference.

Strangle hold on the 360 is 6.7GB. wow now thats a big difference there. I dont suppose u have any mods installed by any chance? very big difference indeed. perhaps very shader intensive games just dont eat up HDD space as much. i havent played stranglehold mindso i cant really comment on its technology at all.

BIA on the 360 is 5.2GB. so just a bit more space on the PC but not massive. im guessing the PC version has more texture data installed to deal with different graphics settings.

GTA4 on the 360 is 6.7GB which is a massive difference to the PC version. however i can see why. the PC version has 3 different sets of textures as well as some extra apps n stuff.

Thanks for the info Snagal123. its an interesting looks at the differences allright. the one thing it does show us though is that looking at PC game install sizes is not a very accurate indication of how big a game will be on a console. in most cases the PC version is bigger...sometimes much bigger.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="osan0"]for anyone interested, crysis takes up 6.19GB with 1 language installed. thats less space than a DVD9. i have it on my rig. it says 13GB on the box but im guessing thats just for extra languages. just out of curiosity...does anyoen have the PC version of mass effect installed? a quick poke on dinternet shows that the 360 version is about 6.8GB in size but i cant get much info on ME PC install size. i know the box says 12GB but as crysis has shown..sometimes it can be exaggerated. it would be interesting to see if theres a big discrepency between console games and PC games in terms of the games overall size in terms of GB.osan0

Mass Effect - 10.2GB

Gears - 12GB

Fallout 3 - 5.2GB

Stranglehold - 12GB

BIA Hells Highway - 6.6GB

GTA 4 - 15GB

These are the size of the install folders, i can tell you more if you want.

oo brilliant thank you

I should probably point out that im comparing 360 and PC versions of games since the 360 install system installs everything on the disc to the HDD as far as i know. just for the record. also my sourse for the 360 install size is : http://kotaku.com/5097252/so-how-much-space-do-your-360-games-installs-take-up

well thats interesting now. the PC version of ME is 3.4GB bigger than the 360 version. as far as i know though the PC version also gets the extra content on the 360 as standard....but is that included? anywho i doubt its 3.4GB. ME was 6.8 on the 360.

6.5 for gears on the 360. however did the PC version get extra maps on the disc? there was also some extra content there. its hard to say how much bigger the PC version is if both versions were to match content. i dont have any extra gears content for my 360 so i cant really measure anything but if anyone does....it would be interesting to see.

Fallout3 on the 360-5.9. thats interesting now. in terms of content there identical and the PC version looks better. A quick check on my PC shows an install of 5.62GB but that could be saves taking up space. in terms of size there very close though...with the 360 version possibly being slightly bigger. It just goes to show the importance and effect on shader based rendering this gen. doesent eat up alot of space but makes a world of difference.

Strangle hold on the 360 is 6.7GB. wow now thats a big difference there. I dont suppose u have any mods installed by any chance? very big difference indeed. perhaps very shader intensive games just dont eat up HDD space as much. i havent played stranglehold mindso i cant really comment on its technology at all.

BIA on the 360 is 5.2GB. so just a bit more space on the PC but not massive. im guessing the PC version has more texture data installed to deal with different graphics settings.

GTA4 on the 360 is 6.7GB which is a massive difference to the PC version. however i can see why. the PC version has 3 different sets of textures as well as some extra apps n stuff.

Thanks for the info Snagal123. its an interesting looks at the differences allright. the one thing it does show us though is that looking at PC game install sizes is not a very accurate indication of how big a game will be on a console. in most cases the PC version is bigger...sometimes much bigger.

The thing that explains this phenomenon is that most of these games have higher quality textures and multiple languages on the pc.dgsag

BluRay will have an impact next gen. Most games this gen has all been made for the X360 first, then they have ported the game engine to the PS3. Take a look at Uncharted, or listen to it. You can go in to the menu and change the sound format, from Dolby Digital, DTS, too PCM 5.1 and 7.1. Sound takes up a lot of space. The X360 compresses everything. Crysis is still bigger than most games out there, though it is'nt using amazing high resolution textures, it uses shaders and lighting to make it look good. And if you add to it that the sound is'nt spectacular either, you get the idea. I think that the exclusive games for the PS3 will prove more and more why BD is needed.

Sony put the Blu-Ray in the PS3 to win the HD format war. It worked cheers to them, but lets not say other gaming system need Blu-Ray. I could think of money better spent on hardware to really improve game preformance besides Blu-Ray.

You don't need DVDs. You could use floppy disks if you wanted. What is your point?SpruceCaboose

Not sure if you're referring to my comment SpruceCaboose but what I ment was Blu-Ray isn't needed to compete as a gaming system.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]You don't need DVDs. You could use floppy disks if you wanted. What is your point?VirtuaCast

Not sure if you're referring to my comment SpruceCaboose but what I ment was Blu-Ray isn't needed to compete as a gaming system.

Crysis installed is around 7gb, Warhead is around the same.

Far Cry 2 is a whole 3.17gb according to my folder, which doesn't make much sense.

So DVD9, sure it all do fine, for the life of the 360.

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]You don't need DVDs. You could use floppy disks if you wanted. What is your point?SpruceCaboose

Not sure if you're referring to my comment SpruceCaboose but what I ment was Blu-Ray isn't needed to compete as a gaming system.

I agree the technology has great potential but my only gripe is I don't want it in my gaming system if it's gonna drive the price up and have a slow drive.

I agree the technology has great potential but my only gripe is I don't want it in my gaming system if it's gonna drive the price up and have a slow drive.

VirtuaCast

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

I agree the technology has great potential but my only gripe is I don't want it in my gaming system if it's gonna drive the price up and have a slow drive.

SpruceCaboose

The drive is slow enough that Devs force installs and put restrictions on reviews to not write about HDD usage and method of install.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

I agree the technology has great potential but my only gripe is I don't want it in my gaming system if it's gonna drive the price up and have a slow drive.

VirtuaCast

The drive is slow enough that Devs force installs and put restrictions on reviews to not write about HDD usage and method of install.

[QUOTE="Solid_Max13"]Yes crysis is on dvd9 which is all data check how much space crysis really takes up once you install it. Research my friend research!z4twenny

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

I agree the technology has great potential but my only gripe is I don't want it in my gaming system if it's gonna drive the price up and have a slow drive.

VirtuaCast

The drive is slow enough that Devs force installs and put restrictions on reviews to not write about HDD usage and method of install.

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] The drive is not that slow. Its just slightly behind the DVD drive in the 360. As for the cost, new tech is often costly. But no one forced you to buy a PS3, so you always had veto power with your wallet.desyple

The drive is slow enough that Devs force installs and put restrictions on reviews to not write about HDD usage and method of install.

[QUOTE="desyple"][QUOTE="VirtuaCast"]

The drive is slow enough that Devs force installs and put restrictions on reviews to not write about HDD usage and method of install.

navyguy21

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="desyple"] lol only mgs4 did that and look how it turned out either way other 360 fans are all jumping on the install bandwagon so what do u say to them about installing especially since it most likely requires more space on the 360 for "total" installation rather than partial installation.total is not needed on the ps3 because of blurays larger amount of memory to make the game run smoother while minimizing install size as opposed to the 360 and its performance to install ratio.desyple

[QUOTE="VirtuaCast"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] The drive is not that slow. Its just slightly behind the DVD drive in the 360. As for the cost, new tech is often costly. But no one forced you to buy a PS3, so you always had veto power with your wallet.SpruceCaboose

The drive is slow enough that Devs force installs and put restrictions on reviews to not write about HDD usage and method of install.

Come on you think Sony allowed 20 install on DMC? They didn't have a choice, you said it your self the Blu-Ray in the PS3 is first generation product and is slower. I don't hate Blu-Ray tech or installs but the way it's done on the PS3 and the limited space in the ps3 HHD I do have a problem with it. It's not perfect or well thought out.

[QUOTE="desyple"][QUOTE="navyguy21"]what? lol :Pnavyguy21