LOL consoles still can't run Crysis 2. Even after being dumbed down.

LOL PCs still can't run Halo Reach, Killzone 3, Uncharteted, Super Mario Galaxy, etc :P

SpideR_CentS

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I think the amount of... delusion amongst the console crowed has diminished over the years, the Sony hype in 2005 is a distant memory.

I don't think I'm aware of anyone who claims consoles are just as capable as gaming PCs, the "optimizations" in Crysis 2 make that obvious. Even when at what are supposedly the same settings, people have point out that the draw and post processing distance is larger on PC.

haberman13

Agreed. And can I say finally!

That debate was so silly, coming from someone who knows hardware, it was incredibly frustrating. (and semi-depressing that I engaged in that debate with 13 yr olds for as long as I did)

Whatever breaks up the monotony of work.

Well wait wait... that was only the 360 vesion, of course it has to be dumbed down...

wheres the ps3 vesion??

and comps suck

FYI, the leaked beta was less than a month old when it was released. It was certainly gimped; but not old :D

[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]

LOL PCs still can't run Halo Reach, Killzone 3, Uncharteted, Super Mario Galaxy, etc :P

MFDOOM1983

Agreed. And can I say finally!

That debate was so silly, coming from someone who knows hardware, it was incredibly frustrating. (and semi-depressing that I engaged in that debate with 13 yr olds for as long as I did)

haberman13

The console crowed for the most part don't want to understand hardware, they want something that just works. So when it comes to discussing what consoles can and cannot do, it's more about hype than technical knowledge, and Sony had ridiculous hype.

A home super computer with dual HDMI ports so that you can hook up two high definition televisions to play games on, and still have enough performance left over to video chat with your friends during play with a webcam. It sounds ridiculous now, but that's what they promised in the conference back in 2005. Enough years have passed for the "yet to be fully utilized" arguments to cease for the most part, people realize the CGI graphics Sony tried to pass off as real time in engine isn't going to happen.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Agreed. And can I say finally!

That debate was so silly, coming from someone who knows hardware, it was incredibly frustrating. (and semi-depressing that I engaged in that debate with 13 yr olds for as long as I did)

AnnoyedDragon

The console crowed for the most part don't want to understand hardware, they want something that just works. So when it comes to discussing what consoles can and cannot do, it's more about hype than technical knowledge, and Sony had ridiculous hype.

A home super computer with dual HDMI ports so that you can hook up two high definition televisions to play games on, and still have enough performance left over to video chat with your friends during play with a webcam. It sounds ridiculous now, but that's what they promised in the conference back in 2005. Enough years have passed for the "yet to be fully utilized" arguments to cease for the most part, people realize the CGI graphics Sony tried to pass off as real time in engine isn't going to happen.

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

I really don't care what your expensive PC rigs are capable of. Playing Games Like Uncharted and Gears of War in 1080p on a 42" is good enough for me.

Tetrarch9

Crysis 2 looks very good on the xbox from what we have seen so far and to say otherwise is just damage control at its best or stupidity. I have a Q6600, 8GB Ram, with an ATI 3850 and it wont run any current game at high settings on 1920x1080 the native res of my tv, so yes PC's do have to be upgraded every few years if you want to play at highest quality settings. While their is certainly a lot of people who have big power systems I would bet that most spouting the PC graphics debate do not have the power to "Max the Crysis 1 or 2" or good luck running Arma 2 in 1920x1080 at a sustained 60fps.

ccagracing

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]

I really don't care what your expensive PC rigs are capable of. Playing Games Like Uncharted and Gears of War in 1080p on a 42" is good enough for me.

harry_james_pot

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"][QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]

I really don't care what your expensive PC rigs are capable of. Playing Games Like Uncharted and Gears of War in 1080p on a 42" is good enough for me.

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

[QUOTE="SpideR_CentS"]

LOL PCs still can't run Halo Reach, Killzone 3, Uncharteted, Super Mario Galaxy, etc :P

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Agreed. And can I say finally!

That debate was so silly, coming from someone who knows hardware, it was incredibly frustrating. (and semi-depressing that I engaged in that debate with 13 yr olds for as long as I did)

mejiseike

The console crowed for the most part don't want to understand hardware, they want something that just works. So when it comes to discussing what consoles can and cannot do, it's more about hype than technical knowledge, and Sony had ridiculous hype.

A home super computer with dual HDMI ports so that you can hook up two high definition televisions to play games on, and still have enough performance left over to video chat with your friends during play with a webcam. It sounds ridiculous now, but that's what they promised in the conference back in 2005. Enough years have passed for the "yet to be fully utilized" arguments to cease for the most part, people realize the CGI graphics Sony tried to pass off as real time in engine isn't going to happen.

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

They're still out there!!! Nostalgia FTW.

"i don't care about hardware, but PS3 has the best hardware" lulewlz, love it.

"A gaming PC costs $2k"

Get a PC. Why? Because its a 360 + PS3 + Wii + PC

Motion controls, games from any system (emulated, legally), best graphics, best controls... too bad its minimum $3k for a PC that runs BF2

I think the amount of... delusion amongst the console crowed has diminished over the years, the Sony hype in 2005 is a distant memory.

I don't think I'm aware of anyone who claims consoles are just as capable as gaming PCs, the "optimizations" in Crysis 2 make that obvious. Even when at what are supposedly the same settings, people have pointed out that the draw and post processing distance is larger on PC.

AnnoyedDragon

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

mejiseike

I don't care to know why you think it would.

Because you have already demonstrated you are unreasonable with that price quote, when there are various examples of people running Crysis 2 on surprisingly low spec systems on YouTube.

So would your views on 2005 hardware beating 2011 hardware be any less biased? It's a ridiculous statement, so I imagine some sort of spinning and rational is involved, most likely subjective in nature.

That or you are just having a laugh.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Agreed. And can I say finally!

That debate was so silly, coming from someone who knows hardware, it was incredibly frustrating. (and semi-depressing that I engaged in that debate with 13 yr olds for as long as I did)

mejiseike

The console crowed for the most part don't want to understand hardware, they want something that just works. So when it comes to discussing what consoles can and cannot do, it's more about hype than technical knowledge, and Sony had ridiculous hype.

A home super computer with dual HDMI ports so that you can hook up two high definition televisions to play games on, and still have enough performance left over to video chat with your friends during play with a webcam. It sounds ridiculous now, but that's what they promised in the conference back in 2005. Enough years have passed for the "yet to be fully utilized" arguments to cease for the most part, people realize the CGI graphics Sony tried to pass off as real time in engine isn't going to happen.

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

The console crowed for the most part don't want to understand hardware, they want something that just works. So when it comes to discussing what consoles can and cannot do, it's more about hype than technical knowledge, and Sony had ridiculous hype.

A home super computer with dual HDMI ports so that you can hook up two high definition televisions to play games on, and still have enough performance left over to video chat with your friends during play with a webcam. It sounds ridiculous now, but that's what they promised in the conference back in 2005. Enough years have passed for the "yet to be fully utilized" arguments to cease for the most part, people realize the CGI graphics Sony tried to pass off as real time in engine isn't going to happen.

harry_james_pot

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

The console crowed for the most part don't want to understand hardware, they want something that just works. So when it comes to discussing what consoles can and cannot do, it's more about hype than technical knowledge, and Sony had ridiculous hype.

A home super computer with dual HDMI ports so that you can hook up two high definition televisions to play games on, and still have enough performance left over to video chat with your friends during play with a webcam. It sounds ridiculous now, but that's what they promised in the conference back in 2005. Enough years have passed for the "yet to be fully utilized" arguments to cease for the most part, people realize the CGI graphics Sony tried to pass off as real time in engine isn't going to happen.

haberman13

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

They're still out there!!! Nostalgia FTW.

"i don't care about hardware, but PS3 has the best hardware" lulewlz, love it.

"A gaming PC costs $2k"

Get a PC. Why? Because its a 360 + PS3 + Wii + PC

Motion controls, games from any system (emulated, legally), best graphics, best controls... too bad its minimum $3k for a PC that runs BF2

i could buy all 3 systems, which i have already lol, for under $1000

and i could play my PS3 on my 1080p TV comforatbly sitting on my couch with full HD surround sound... not sitting a foot away for a 20 inch screen in a chair at a desk all hunched over...

Where do people get the idea that gaming PCs costs $2000? :?harry_james_pot

Alienware, Dell, HP.muscleserge

Makes sense to me. Console users aren't going to be hanging around hardware sites, where we price up each component. They will be seeing adverts and promotions from big name retailers, who love to rip people off.

The sort that adds a $100 spray paint job and $50 in glowing cables to your gaming PC order.

That or it is more of matter of what they want to be true, rather than what's the case.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

i dont care about hardware, im not spending $2000 bucks to play games on it

just get a PS3 and it will look better then a pc, you know why?

mejiseike

They're still out there!!! Nostalgia FTW.

"i don't care about hardware, but PS3 has the best hardware" lulewlz, love it.

"A gaming PC costs $2k"

Get a PC. Why? Because its a 360 + PS3 + Wii + PC

Motion controls, games from any system (emulated, legally), best graphics, best controls... too bad its minimum $3k for a PC that runs BF2

i could buy all 3 systems, which i have already lol, for under $1000

and i could play my PS3 on my 1080p TV comforatbly sitting on my couch with full HD surround sound... not sitting a foot away for a 20 inch screen in a chair at a desk all hunched over...

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

They're still out there!!! Nostalgia FTW.

"i don't care about hardware, but PS3 has the best hardware" lulewlz, love it.

"A gaming PC costs $2k"

Get a PC. Why? Because its a 360 + PS3 + Wii + PC

Motion controls, games from any system (emulated, legally), best graphics, best controls... too bad its minimum $3k for a PC that runs BF2

harry_james_pot

i could buy all 3 systems, which i have already lol, for under $1000

and i could play my PS3 on my 1080p TV comforatbly sitting on my couch with full HD surround sound... not sitting a foot away for a 20 inch screen in a chair at a desk all hunched over...

Surround sound too, but you need to snake around a bunch of wires since most pc games don't support dolby digital.

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

They're still out there!!! Nostalgia FTW.

"i don't care about hardware, but PS3 has the best hardware" lulewlz, love it.

"A gaming PC costs $2k"

Get a PC. Why? Because its a 360 + PS3 + Wii + PC

Motion controls, games from any system (emulated, legally), best graphics, best controls... too bad its minimum $3k for a PC that runs BF2

harry_james_pot

i could buy all 3 systems, which i have already lol, for under $1000

and i could play my PS3 on my 1080p TV comforatbly sitting on my couch with full HD surround sound... not sitting a foot away for a 20 inch screen in a chair at a desk all hunched over...

yea... i do that with my laptop sometimes with starcraft 2

but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...

i could buy all 3 systems, which i have already lol, for under $1000

and i could play my PS3 on my 1080p TV comforatbly sitting on my couch with full HD surround sound... not sitting a foot away for a 20 inch screen in a chair at a desk all hunched over...

mejiseike

And here comes the preferential arguments.

I'm sure PC gamers are going to be really impressed with the fact that you have a 1080p TV. Never mind that the majority of your games don't even use it, it's having it that counts.

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"][QUOTE="mejiseike"]

i could buy all 3 systems, which i have already lol, for under $1000

and i could play my PS3 on my 1080p TV comforatbly sitting on my couch with full HD surround sound... not sitting a foot away for a 20 inch screen in a chair at a desk all hunched over...

mejiseike

yea... i do that with my laptop sometimes with starcraft 2

but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...

More people game on computers than all 3 consoles combined.

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"] And also you can connect a PC to your TV, play in actual 1080p resolution and superior graphics, with a controller, and sitting on your couch..topgunmv

yea... i do that with my laptop sometimes with starcraft 2

but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...

More people game on computers than all 3 consoles combined.

He judges superiority based on profits. He's a ferengi really.

Personally, superiority is based on merits.

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"] And also you can connect a PC to your TV, play in actual 1080p resolution and superior graphics, with a controller, and sitting on your couch..topgunmv

yea... i do that with my laptop sometimes with starcraft 2

but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...

More people game on computers than all 3 consoles combined.

indeed... considering the console was out before the PC, has been more popular then pc, still is more popular... but i guess gaming pcs sell more?

He judges superiority based on profits. He's a ferengi really.

Personally, superiority is based on merits.

haberman13

He suggests popularity is a indication of quality, because fast food is wide spread because of it's high quality meals.

If install base is a indication of quality, family cars must be better than sport cars, after all; look at how many choose the family car over the sports Car. Proof right there.

indeed... considering the console was out before the PC, has been more popular then pc, still is more popular... but i guess gaming pcs sell more?

mejiseike

He must be a big Wii fan. It sold more than 360 and PS3, so clearly it must be the best system.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

He judges superiority based on profits. He's a ferengi really.

Personally, superiority is based on merits.

AnnoyedDragon

He suggests popularity is a indication of quality, because fast food is wide spread because of it's high quality meals.

If install base is a indication of quality, family cars must be better than sport cars, after all; look at how many choose the family car over the sports Car. Proof right there.

Man, and here I thought fast-food was bad for you. Fortunately I can now agree that console is superior, units sold/popularity is a far better judgment than an analysis of function.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

He judges superiority based on profits. He's a ferengi really.

Personally, superiority is based on merits.

haberman13

He suggests popularity is a indication of quality, because fast food is wide spread because of it's high quality meals.

If install base is a indication of quality, family cars must be better than sport cars, after all; look at how many choose the family car over the sports Car. Proof right there.

Man, and here I thought fast-food was bad for you. Fortunately I can now agree that console is superior, units sold/popularity is a far better judgment than an analysis of function.

fast food is good for you... T-bone steak, on the grill for 5 minutes while you put a potato in the microwave for same time.... quicker then mcdonalds

and the wii is a great system obviously... so is the PS2... which sold the most out of any system

and would you rather spend 300 bucks and have the system for 10 years performing at peak performance? (PS3 quality not 360) or buy a 2000 dollar computer which you have to spend more money to upgrade every 2 or 3 years? and eventually the system becomes crap

but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...mejiseike

fast food is good for you... T-bone steak, on the grill for 5 minutes while you put a potato in the microwave for same time.... quicker then mcdonalds

and the wii is a great system obviously... so is the PS2... which sold the most out of any system

and would you rather spend 300 bucks and have the system for 10 years performing at peak performance? (PS3 quality not 360) or buy a 2000 dollar computer which you have to spend more money to upgrade every 2 or 3 years? and eventually the system becomes crap

mejiseike

Oh there is so much wrong with this, but he doesn't want to know better; so why try? He's even standing by the $2000 comment, regardless of how ridiculous it was the first time.

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...harry_james_pot

computer games are single player... nuff said

and PC sales dont mean anything, there could be 50 million emachine sales from walmart but they cant even run the first starcraft... (over exaggerated)

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"][QUOTE="mejiseike"]but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...mejiseike

computer games are single player... nuff said

and PC sales dont mean anything, there could be 50 million emachine sales from walmart but they cant even run the first starcraft... (over exaggerated)

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"][QUOTE="mejiseike"]but PC isnt Superior to console... FACT, otherwise the 3 consoles out now wouldnt be close to 200 million units sold...mejiseike

computer games are single player... nuff said

What was that you said?

computer games are single player... nuff said

and PC sales dont mean anything, there could be 50 million emachine sales from walmart but they cant even run the first starcraft... (over exaggerated)

mejiseike

E-mail machines just need a new PSU and graphics card in order to play games on, which would cost less than $300....

LOL PCs still can't run Halo Reach, Killzone 3, Uncharteted, Super Mario Galaxy, etc :P

SpideR_CentS

fast food is good for you... T-bone steak, on the grill for 5 minutes while you put a potato in the microwave for same time.... quicker then mcdonalds

and the wii is a great system obviously... so is the PS2... which sold the most out of any system

and would you rather spend 300 bucks and have the system for 10 years performing at peak performance? (PS3 quality not 360) or buy a 2000 dollar computer which you have to spend more money to upgrade every 2 or 3 years? and eventually the system becomes crap

mejiseike

I love these comments from console gamers about how their consoles always give "peak" performance. Mediocrity at it's best.

It's sad some people are so viciously loyal of console companies, considering their nature. The console system was just hardware, a platform for selling your games on. But it has been abused, and the relationship between game developer and console company is that of practically extortion.

Fans buy the consoles because of the games, and developers only make the games for those systems; because the fans bought the console. Console companies create a install base using hype, and then hold that install base hostage. If you want to sell to them, they want a cut of everything you make. On top of that you have to play by their rules, doing things on the console companies terms; or not at all. Console companies invest billions into keeping people on their platform, because they know they can always milk it back from the sales made by developers just wanting to access that audience.

It's why I'm glad to see this extortion gradually come to an end. Console companies are a archaic and dying means of getting games to consumers, their approach to game development is no longer sustainable. They're past their peak, it is all down hill from here. Costs have driven developers cross platform, console companies have lost a lot of influence over them. Now console companies have to beg and bribe for scraps like exclusive DLC or timed exclusives, because the developers refuse to limit themselves to just one platform.

Eventually, the likes of Playstation and Xbox will fade out of significance; and a unified mainstream solution will come into existence to meet the markets needs. Sony and Microsoft will do everything in their power to fight this, they are doing it now by spending considerably more on in house development; to make up for the loss of exclusives. But they cannot fight back the tide forever, change will obsolete them in the end.

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]I really don't care what your overpriced PC rigs are capable of. Playing Games Like Uncharted and Gears of War in 1080p on a 42" is good enough for me. tagyhag

Wait, how's a PC overpriced? :?

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]

[QUOTE="harry_james_pot"] Just because you`re saying "fact" in all caps doesn`t make it so. The PC has: - Superior graphics and frame rates. - Better controls. You can choose between KB/M and any controller you want. - Games are cheaper on launch, and they get even cheaper with time. - Steam, and Steam sales. - Mods. - Much bigger game library with great variety. And i`m sure there are any other points that people can add.. Also, the PC sales in 2010 was equal to the 3 consoles combined. ( can anyone find that 1up chart? )topgunmv

computer games are single player... nuff said

What was that you said?

exactly... one person, thanks for backing me up :)

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]I really don't care what your overpriced PC rigs are capable of. Playing Games Like Uncharted and Gears of War in 1080p on a 42" is good enough for me. taterfrickintot

Wait, how's a PC overpriced? :?

If you mean it uses less power than a pc, sure.

[QUOTE="Tetrarch9"]I really don't care what your overpriced PC rigs are capable of. Playing Games Like Uncharted and Gears of War in 1080p on a 42" is good enough for me. Crypt_mx

You can also play games from your PC on to a tv man, plus you dont need to spend a fortune on a pc to play games on high settings.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Wait, how's a PC overpriced? :?

taterfrickintot

PC isn't expensive, consoles are just cheap.

Expensive can be a subjective thing, like how I consider physical retail shops to be over priced; because online is cheaper in the UK. Are they over priced? Or does it just seem that way because I can get it for cheaper elsewhere?

PC hardware is priced reasonably, provided you don't look at the enthusiast range. Consoles use a variety of methods like economies of scale, supply contracts, constant refinements to production of old hardware etc. to pull the price down a lot lower than if you tried to construct a single unit. Also never mind both PS3 and 360 sold at a loss at launch, because achieving a install base was more important to them than making a profit in the first few years.

There are many many factors that drive console prices lower than they should be. Making PC's look overpriced to console gamers, despite providing significantly more performance and functionality than consoles.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]

Wait, how's a PC overpriced? :?

topgunmv

If you mean it uses less power than a pc, sure.

your a smart one!

PC$$$$$$$$ < Console$$

exactly... one person, thanks for backing me up :)

mejiseike

For your own sake, I hope you are trolling...

For your own sake, I hope you are trolling...

rpgs_shall_rule

I think at this point he is intending solely to annoy people, ignoring what information people provide; and perpetuating the same old anti PC claims.

[QUOTE="rpgs_shall_rule"]

For your own sake, I hope you are trolling...

AnnoyedDragon

I think at this point he is intending solely to annoy people, ignoring what information people provide; and perpetuating the same old anti PC claims.

Which ultimately works in PC gamers favor, as we can reiterate over and over ad nauseum how much better PCs are!

Honestly without posts like his, I probably wouldn't continue the "System War".

This isn't really news to anyone. The majority (probably all) of Gamespot users know that PC games look better than Console games. I think most people don't really care either, because regardless of what platform you buy this game on it looks pretty.

Which ultimately works in PC gamers favor, as we can reiterate over and over ad nauseum how much better PCs are!

Honestly without posts like his, I probably wouldn't continue the "System War".

haberman13

Ah but remember. When people conveniently forget that PC was being criticised at some point, people start getting angry and complain about elitist PC gamers constantly going on about the obvious benefits of a PC (which apparently no one is disputing).

Ive realized at this point; that getting called elitist by a console gamer for pointing something out about PC or consoles, just means I've said something truthful and they don't like it.