look what GI says about the epic failure X360

TC MUST READ THIS.

True fact, a system with 54% failure rate would not be allowed in europe, and EU would never let such a device get trough quality testing. A Game informer poll of 5000 people isn't reliable.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

cause the sales will kill now

simslifer

lol you gotta be kidding me right now the PS3 and X360 are almost even in worldwide sales with PS3 being $200 more expensive and you come to tell me a $100 price cut won't do anything.

what won't be effective is if X360 price cuts it won't do nothing to stop the PS3 locomotive.

This same topic has already been posted about 10 times yesterday. Why do these threads keep growing?

MizFitAwesome

The mods have been very active this afternoon... the best we can hope for is that they decide to do a little "consolidation" about this topic as well. :?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

cause the sales will kill now

lol you gotta be kidding me right now the PS3 and X360 are almost even in worldwide sales with PS3 being $200 more expensive and you come to tell me a $100 price cut won't do anything.

what won't be effective is if X360 price cuts it won't do nothing to stop the PS3 locomotive.

[QUOTE="aero250"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

cause the sales will kill now

yea they are very delicious

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] And if it doesn't? You know when MS lowers it's price the PS3 will still be the most expesive console on the market. Right now consumers won't be going for the more expensive console when they have a cheaper alternative that's just as good. Communistsheep

lol you gotta be kidding me right now the PS3 and X360 are almost even in worldwide sales with PS3 being $200 more expensive and you come to tell me a $100 price cut won't do anything.

what won't be effective is if X360 price cuts it won't do nothing to stop the PS3 locomotive.

isn't it 7 million or 6 now the PS3 is at 24 millionand if PS3 sells really well they can get the lead they won't be #1 but #2 is up for grabs.

dude that means the ps3 has more users.... ROFL. the ps3 has more users than 360.... that's awesome. today just gets better and better, the MAG beta, a 299 dollar ps3 so all my lemming friends just converted, and now the ps3 has more players.... too fun.

dude that means the ps3 has more users.... ROFL. the ps3 has more users than 360.... that's awesome. today just gets better and better, the MAG beta, a 299 dollar ps3 so all my lemming friends just converted, and now the ps3 has more players.... too fun.

12345678ew

I see the death of originality.....and TC is the killer.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="aero250"]You own a PS3 why would you be excited?kingtito

cause the sales will kill now

isn't it 7 million or 6 now the PS3 is at 24 millionand if PS3 sells really well they can get the lead they won't be #1 but #2 is up for grabs.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

cause the sales will kill now

lol you gotta be kidding me right now the PS3 and X360 are almost even in worldwide sales with PS3 being $200 more expensive and you come to tell me a $100 price cut won't do anything.

what won't be effective is if X360 price cuts it won't do nothing to stop the PS3 locomotive.

The unreliable Xbox 369 isn't stopping it's fans from buying new ones. The percentage of owners of failed 360s who've bought more than one: 36.4% This is compared to Sony's 13.4% and Nintendo's 8.4%. Makes you wonder how legit the 360's sales numbers are.

WOW 36.4%

also 41.2% suffered a second hardware failure after the original repair.

talk about unreliable.......

simslifer

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] And if it doesn't? You know when MS lowers it's price the PS3 will still be the most expesive console on the market. Right now consumers won't be going for the more expensive console when they have a cheaper alternative that's just as good. h575309

lol you gotta be kidding me right now the PS3 and X360 are almost even in worldwide sales with PS3 being $200 more expensive and you come to tell me a $100 price cut won't do anything.

what won't be effective is if X360 price cuts it won't do nothing to stop the PS3 locomotive.

SMACK! :lol:

[QUOTE="aero250"]

The TC sounds very desprate in his posts :roll:

I am not desperate i'm happy PS3 is at $299 a reason to rejoyce :D

I was just quoting what I read when I got my latest issue of GI.

not even the pope has words for the amount of fail

Wow, it's amazing how much a survey of 5,000 people REALLY gets out on the internet. Gaming journalism really IS down. 54% out of 5,000 people may seem like a high ratio, but how much is that out of 30 owners. I know RROD may have doubled those sales, but really, the same could be said about the PS2's hardware failure(even though it wasn't as bad, but a similar scenario; I had to buy a total of 3 PS2's during that gen to play the games I loved). The only thing that was different was the vast library of games on the PS2, which Sony tried really hard to secure last gen(and they still are trying hard to a degree). Though the 360s do get fixed for free now, so no excuses in terms of sales for 360 from here on!;)NYrockinlegend

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.It makes the Cows happy for now,but Im sure Sony's shaking with their fingers crossed.

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.

xgraderx

lol they will kill the X360.

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.

lol they will kill the X360.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.

dsmccracken

lol they will kill the X360.

payback for all the PS3 is the next gamecube and will die threads which you all gleed over.

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.

simslifer

lol they will kill the X360.

payback for all the PS3 is the next gamecube and will die threads which you all gleed over.

simslifer

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.

clone01

lol they will kill the X360.

it doesn't matter how long it takes but now well see people buy PS3 more and X360 being rejected.

it doesn't matter how long it takes but now well see people buy PS3 more and X360 being rejected.

simslifer

[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]Wow, it's amazing how much a survey of 5,000 people REALLY gets out on the internet. Gaming journalism really IS down. 54% out of 5,000 people may seem like a high ratio, but how much is that out of 30 owners. I know RROD may have doubled those sales, but really, the same could be said about the PS2's hardware failure(even though it wasn't as bad, but a similar scenario; I had to buy a total of 3 PS2's during that gen to play the games I loved). The only thing that was different was the vast library of games on the PS2, which Sony tried really hard to secure last gen(and they still are trying hard to a degree). Though the 360s do get fixed for free now, so no excuses in terms of sales for 360 from here on!;)dsmccracken

[QUOTE="xgraderx"]

I see horrible financial quarters in Sony's future with this price cut.But they've been horrible for a long time now,I see this as a very desperate move.

simslifer

lol they will kill the X360.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]Wow, it's amazing how much a survey of 5,000 people REALLY gets out on the internet. Gaming journalism really IS down. 54% out of 5,000 people may seem like a high ratio, but how much is that out of 30 owners. I know RROD may have doubled those sales, but really, the same could be said about the PS2's hardware failure(even though it wasn't as bad, but a similar scenario; I had to buy a total of 3 PS2's during that gen to play the games I loved). The only thing that was different was the vast library of games on the PS2, which Sony tried really hard to secure last gen(and they still are trying hard to a degree). Though the 360s do get fixed for free now, so no excuses in terms of sales for 360 from here on!;)NYrockinlegend

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

lol they will kill the X360.

simslifer

it doesn't matter how long it takes but now well see people buy PS3 more and X360 being rejected.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

lol they will kill the X360.

payback for all the PS3 is the next gamecube and will die threads which you all gleed over.

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

or them being ripped of buying what they already had because microsoft goofed and dropped the ball.

simslifer

yea i'm sure the consumer loved having to pay another $200 or more to buy again what he already had.

It costs $99 to repair the system. :| Either way, it is still cheaper to repair or rebuy the Xbox 360 than spend $300 on a Playstation 3, and rebuy your multiplats (unless they are 360/PC only, then you are out of luck) and equivelants to Xbox 360 exclusives. Look the Playstation 3 is a great system, it honestly is, it has some great games that I would be intresting in playing but I don't think the games I would buy would be worth the entry price, especially considering I could buy $300 worth of Xbox 360 games instead of Playstation 3, which I would rather do.

You have to admit that article on a major gaming magazine GI will do damage to the xbox 360 name.

Another reason I don't like the X360 is I don't respect a company that knows it's system is unreliable and still goes out and sells it not caring...

they cared more about making money than hurting their longtime fans.simslifer

I don't have the strength to respond to a new thread about this same topic everytime they pop up. I'll just re-use my last answer:

Look people. Even the most accurate polls, the ones that carefully span demographics, endeavor for the most complete and accurate answers to the questions they pose, that have a "scientific" basis in their development and execution, have a margin of error. And this is not a scientific poll, nor does it make any claim whatsoever to be so. It is a voluntary turn in survey from the readers of GI. They didn't poll 5000 people. They asked a few questions about console failures and customer service and almost 5000 people responded. For those of you confused, that is not how professional polling is done. So all this "that's how polling works" stuff is just silly. Actually it was silly 11 threads ago. Now, it's dumb.

Now, I think it's pretty obvious to those around here not looking for "teh pwnage" that the kind of people that are most likely to respond to a magazine poll about console failures are gonna be people that have had a console fail. Also not working towards the 360's favor is that it makes sense to assume that the kind of people that subscribe to GI are gonna skew towards early adopters of new game hardware, where the reliability of the 360 (and ps3) were the worst. And yeah, I've seen it mentioned on here and we all know people like this on SW, there are gonna be people "fudging the numbers" just for some good ole fashoined adolescent fun. I don't think it would be a ton, but I'm betting it happened.

So what did we end up with? Substantially inflated failure rates for all 3 systems! Less so for the Wii, but the PS3 has almost 4x the stated failure rate that Sony has stated and the best guestimations by industry experts that have always said a little less than 3%. So is Sony hiding a massive conspiracy? Is your PS3 about to explode? Have nearly 7%, or 3.5million, Wiis already died? Of course not.

I think it's common knowledge even here on SW that the 360 has an unacceptably high failure rate, and that Sony and Nintendo's systems are much more in line with standards in home electronics. MS has responded to the situation in a way that we don't often see from companies without the threat of government intervention/mandatory recall: They admitted the error, put the industry's best warranty (by a long shot) out retroactively and at the cost of over 1 billion initially, and have continued to work on improving the reliability with rededsigns of the hardware. The console still probably isn't the most reliable on the market, but hey! It's Microsoft! If you didn't know you were dealing with guys more comfortable designing software rather than hardware, then you weren't paying very good attention.

The one thing everyone preying on this as an opportunity to strike should note from the poll: less than 4% of those claiming a RROD said their experience with the 360's hardware failure was a reason to keep them from buying another XBox in the future. Apparently, even those who are dealing with dead 360s don't feel like the experience was overall a bad one. I know one guy that has had a dead 360, and sadly enough, I'm the schmo that sold it to him used. It took him 11 days total from the time he reported it until he got a spankin' new console delivered to him. It's not something he is asking for again, but it also wasn't the worst thing that ever happened to him dealing with videogames. I do know that if my launch 60 gb PS3 bites the dust (as has been reported more and more often of late), I'll be looking at around a $150 dollar bill, and just as long if not longer to recover. I bet wayyyyyy more PS3 owners viewed their experience negatively than the 3.8% of 360 users this survey found.

IMHO, there are far more deserving features of the 360 to heap scorn at than the failure rate issue, if bashing it is what you are looking to do, and when I see a Cow jump all over "RROD" it shows a lack of imagination, or knowledge about the current state of gaming, than anything else. And when those same fanboys start reaching for obviously absurd numbers to back this claim, it just comes off as desperate... very obviously desperate.

Cows need to focus on better targets, and Lems need to stop responding to (and thereby bumping) this crud every time it gets posted.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

i'm glad that you found help in MGS4 if you didn't you would have been trapped wondering if today is Xbox 360 rrod day.

simslifer

congratulations you're one of the lucky ones but if it breaks on you now the warranty has expired so you will have to buy a new one may I suggest a PS3 it's at $299 now :)

just try not to play the X360 for too long and youll be fine ohh and don't move the console while it's playing a game.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] my 360 has been going 2+ years with no problems. i don't really feel trapped.WilliamRLBaker

congratulations you're one of the lucky ones but if it breaks on you now the warranty has expired so you will have to buy a new one may I suggest a PS3 it's at $299 now :)

just try not to play the X360 for too long and youll be fine ohh and don't move the console while it's playing a game.

11% is a hell of alot better than 54.2% ouccch

please no more feeding

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

congratulations you're one of the lucky ones but if it breaks on you now the warranty has expired so you will have to buy a new one may I suggest a PS3 it's at $299 now :)

just try not to play the X360 for too long and youll be fine ohh and don't move the console while it's playing a game.

simslifer

11% is a hell of alot better than 54.2 ouccch

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

You have to admit that article on a major gaming magazine GI will do damage to the xbox 360 name.

Another reason I don't like the X360 is I don't respect a company that knows it's system is unreliable and still goes out and sells it not caring...

they cared more about making money than hurting their longtime fans.clone01

1 - there are no records showing sony knew about the dre error before they shipped like m$ did.

2 - the sony ps2 failure rate can't compare to m$'s 54% failure rate.

3- the 3 year warranty don't mean nothing if they new about the RROD they should have stopped it from shipping and worked on fixing the problem then sell it.

4- I don't respect any company but what m$ did is the lowest of the low to know about rrod and not do anything about it.

thats why we call it M$ only for the money $$$$$:P

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yeah a ps3 at 299 with a what was it ? 11% failure rate?WilliamRLBaker

11% is a hell of alot better than 54.2 ouccch

I was wrong and so where you guys you guys said m$'s failure rate was like 30 something.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

You have to admit that article on a major gaming magazine GI will do damage to the xbox 360 name.

Another reason I don't like the X360 is I don't respect a company that knows it's system is unreliable and still goes out and sells it not caring...

they cared more about making money than hurting their longtime fans.simslifer

1 - there are no records showing sony knew about the dre error before they shipped like m$

2 - the sony ps2 failure rate can't compare to m$'s 54 %

3- the 3 year warranty don't mean nothingif they new about the RROD they should have stopped it from shipping and worked on fixing the problem then ship it.

4- I don't respet any company but what m$ did is the lowest of the low to know about rrod and not do anything about it.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

11% is a hell of alot better than 54.2 ouccch

simslifer

I was wrong and so where you guys you guys said m$'s failure rate was like 30 something.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

You have to admit that article on a major gaming magazine GI will do damage to the xbox 360 name.

Another reason I don't like the X360 is I don't respect a company that knows it's system is unreliable and still goes out and sells it not caring...

they cared more about making money than hurting their longtime fans.simslifer

1 - there are no records showing sony knew about the dre error before they shipped like m$ did.

2 - the sony ps2 failure rate can't compare to m$'s 54% failure rate.

3- the 3 year warranty don't mean nothing if they new about the RROD they should have stopped it from shipping and worked on fixing the problem then sell it.

4- I don't respect any company but what m$ did is the lowest of the low to know about rrod and not do anything about it.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

You have to admit that article on a major gaming magazine GI will do damage to the xbox 360 name.

Another reason I don't like the X360 is I don't respect a company that knows it's system is unreliable and still goes out and sells it not caring...

they cared more about making money than hurting their longtime fans.simslifer

1 - there are no records showing sony knew about the dre error before they shipped like m$ did.

2 - the sony ps2 failure rate can't compare to m$'s 54% failure rate.

3- the 3 year warranty don't mean nothing if they new about the RROD they should have stopped it from shipping and worked on fixing the problem then sell it.

4- I don't respect any company but what m$ did is the lowest of the low to know about rrod and not do anything about it.

What do you mean not do anything about it? They acknowledged the problem, gave people an extended three year warrenty and even refunded people who had previously paid for a console repair because of the three red lights of death before the extended warrenty. (Something Sony didn't do for the Playstation 2) :| Sony has also done some very questionable things in the past too. (Not regarding the Playstation 2 or Playstation 3 but they have done very unproffessional and even unethnical things in the past)

Man the cows are just eating this up, This is like the 5th topic I seen of this. The poll is of 5000 readers, of that 5000, X amount said they own a 360 (I didn't see GI list the number).So unless all 5000 people they polled have a 360, they didn't poll 5000 360 owners, so a very small sample size just got smaller

Another question is how many of the readers said they had a 360, but lied because they are a fanboy and want to inflate the numbers (same with the others).

It really amused me on how many people are taking this up and acting like it is fact.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] it that why MS offered a 3 year warranty to help with consumers who got the RROD. as an aside, it took a class action suit against Sony before they even admitted the DRE error on the PS2. additionally, you do realize MS has been constantly revising their chipsets to try to alleviate the RROD. and really, why do you respect any of these companies. all they care about is your money, anyway

clone01

1 - there are no records showing sony knew about the dre error before they shipped like m$ did.

2 - the sony ps2 failure rate can't compare to m$'s 54% failure rate.

3- the 3 year warranty don't mean nothing if they new about the RROD they should have stopped it from shipping and worked on fixing the problem then sell it.

4- I don't respect any company but what m$ did is the lowest of the low to know about rrod and not do anything about it.

[QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] it that why MS offered a 3 year warranty to help with consumers who got the RROD. as an aside, it took a class action suit against Sony before they even admitted the DRE error on the PS2. additionally, you do realize MS has been constantly revising their chipsets to try to alleviate the RROD. and really, why do you respect any of these companies. all they care about is your money, anyway

DarkGamer007

1 - there are no records showing sony knew about the dre error before they shipped like m$ did.

2 - the sony ps2 failure rate can't compare to m$'s 54% failure rate.

3- the 3 year warranty don't mean nothing if they new about the RROD they should have stopped it from shipping and worked on fixing the problem then sell it.

4- I don't respect any company but what m$ did is the lowest of the low to know about rrod and not do anything about it.

What do you mean not do anything about it? They acknowledged the problem, gave people an extended three year warrenty and even refunded people who had previously paid for a console repair because of the three red lights of death before the extended warrenty. (Something Sony didn't do for the Playstation 2) :| Sony has also done some very questionable things in the past too. (Not regarding the Playstation 2 or Playstation 3 but they have done very unproffessional and even unethnical things in the past)

What I mean is they knew about it before shipping and did not act on their knowledge, because of greed.

the 3 year warranty was already too late they did not have to go through this if they just hold back the X360 and worked on a solution instead of rushing the system to stores.

http://games.venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/

Microsoft knew it had flawed machines, but it did not delay its launch because it believed the quality problems would subside over time. With each new machine, the company figured it would ride the "learning curve," or continuously improve its production. Even though Microsoft's leaders knew their quality wasn't top notch, they did not ensure that resources were in place to handle returns and quickly debug bad consoles. There were plenty of warning signs, but the company chose to ignore them. The different parts of the business weren't aligned.

Microsoft also fired a worker for talking about it.

Microsoft knew it had flawed machines, but it did not delay its launch because it believed the quality problems would subside over time. With each new machine, the company figured it would ride the "learning curve," or continuously improve its production. Even though Microsoft's leaders knew their quality wasn't top notch, they did not ensure that resources were in place to handle returns and quickly debug bad consoles. There were plenty of warning signs, but the company chose to ignore them. The different parts of the business weren't aligned.

Microsoft also fired a worker for talking about it.

simslifer

happened before with the sony DRE. if you think corporations care about you, you're kidding yourself.