looks like Lair is the first casualty in the cows holiday overhype campaign.....

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

Thought your Heavenly Sword demo thread would tell you not to do more of these threads.

And it is GamePro... I never trusted them since the days predating EGM.

Who cares if its not AAA? Its hyped AA :?

If you average the 2 reviews of Lair out right now, its at 82.5/100. Looks like it met its hype right now.

Thought your Heavenly Sword demo thread would tell you not to do more of these threads.

And it is GamePro... I never trusted them since the days predating EGM.

NobuoMusicMaker

all my heavanly sword thread did was teach me that you guys can't answer a simple streightforward question... It's really the problem with a "tough question" thread... you all dance. Maybe 5 of the 25 people who comented in that thread answered the question... everyone else was asking for links? what link? you want me to link my own question? You still haven't answered wether after playing the demo if Heavanly Sword is still AAA meterial...? wanna try again?

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Thought your Heavenly Sword demo thread would tell you not to do more of these threads.

And it is GamePro... I never trusted them since the days predating EGM.

colmusterd28

all my heavanly sword thread did was teach me that you guys can't answer a simple streightforward question... It's really the problem with a "tough question" thread... you all dance. Maybe 5 of the 25 people who comented in that thread answered the question... everyone else was asking for links? what link? you want me to link my own question? You still haven't answered wether after playing the demo if Heavanly Sword is still AAA meterial...? wanna try again?

All your thread showed was you were a blind fanboy following other fanboys bashing a game yall prolly never even played, and then you called it ownage. The funny thing was you were getting owned at every corner in that thread. About Lair, it wasn't hyped AAA it was hyped AA. So if it gets an 8 then it is right on it.

So what exactly is it your wanting to see, "oh sob sob, I can't beleive I bought a PS3 when I'm not even sure Lair will be AAA. Boo hoo whaaaa. I knew I should have gone with a system that creates mostly shooters and breaks down."

I didn't see anything from MS that interested me this holiday as I don't like shooters, and you know what? The world will keep turning after 2007 is over, what then?

If you can't create a thread with the intent of some kind of intelligent debate, really just leave it one of your smarter fellow Lemmings.

This is weird, Col. I go to GamePro.com. (that is the site you said, right?) I search for Lair. It pulls up Lair (PS3), so, of course, I click it. It then takes me to the Lair page, like it should. But the odd thing is.......... THERE"S NO REVIEW LINK!! The review link is dead. Why is it dead? Because there's no review.

You see, I KNOW HOW TO ADD A LINK TO WHAT I'M SAYING!

Did I miss the meeting where anyone cares about reviews that don't come from gamespot on this board?

If every thread I see that bashes a 360/wii game with a link to another review site gets shot down because it dosn't come from GS... then its only fair that you can't use other review sites to claim ownage on PS3 titles either.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Thought your Heavenly Sword demo thread would tell you not to do more of these threads.

And it is GamePro... I never trusted them since the days predating EGM.

Ragnarok1051

all my heavanly sword thread did was teach me that you guys can't answer a simple streightforward question... It's really the problem with a "tough question" thread... you all dance. Maybe 5 of the 25 people who comented in that thread answered the question... everyone else was asking for links? what link? you want me to link my own question? You still haven't answered wether after playing the demo if Heavanly Sword is still AAA meterial...? wanna try again?

All your thread showed was you were a blind fanboy following other fanboys bashing a game yall prolly never even played, and then you called it ownage. The funny thing was you were getting owned at every corner in that thread. About Lair, it wasn't hyped AAA it was hyped AA. So if it gets an 8 then it is right on it.

wrong.... no one owned me and you know it. I asked a question and you still can't answer it. Your burning inside because you were so dissapointed with that demo... you want to scream out AA!!!! don't be blinded by your fanboyism, let it go...

...as for Lair, If I had a nickle for every cow thread I read over the past 4 months hyping this game AAA and mentioning it in such company as Mass Effect, I could retire. Just because you all backpeddled right before it released dosent mean your old threads are thrown out... Backpeddling shows a lack of confidence and Lair, given the overhype, is a dissapointment...

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Thought your Heavenly Sword demo thread would tell you not to do more of these threads.

And it is GamePro... I never trusted them since the days predating EGM.

colmusterd28

all my heavanly sword thread did was teach me that you guys can't answer a simple streightforward question... It's really the problem with a "tough question" thread... you all dance. Maybe 5 of the 25 people who comented in that thread answered the question... everyone else was asking for links? what link? you want me to link my own question? You still haven't answered wether after playing the demo if Heavanly Sword is still AAA meterial...? wanna try again?

All your thread showed was you were a blind fanboy following other fanboys bashing a game yall prolly never even played, and then you called it ownage. The funny thing was you were getting owned at every corner in that thread. About Lair, it wasn't hyped AAA it was hyped AA. So if it gets an 8 then it is right on it.

wrong.... no one owned me and you know it. I asked a question and you still can't answer it. Your burning inside because you were so dissapointed with that demo... you want to scream out AA!!!! don't be blinded by your fanboyism, let it go...

...as for Lair, If I had a nickle for every cow thread I read over the past 4 months hyping this game AAA and mentioning it in such company as Mass Effect, I could retire. Just because you all backpeddled right before it released dosent mean your old threads are thrown out... Backpeddling shows a lack of confidence and Lair, given the overhype, is a dissapointment...

Repetition in a debate is the sign of desperation.

I did love the Heavenly Sword demo, it will be AAA, for me.

Attention: Lair was hyped AA!!

I repeat: Lair was hyped AA!!

It is not being hyped AAA. There are just a lot of thread on how good it looks as far as visuals. I'm still trying to figure out if it would be a fun game. I think there might be something they haven't showed us yet with the attacks.

This is weird, Col. I go to GamePro.com. (that is the site you said, right?) I search for Lair. It pulls up Lair (PS3), so, of course, I click it. It then takes me to the Lair page, like it should. But the odd thing is.......... THERE"S NO REVIEW LINK!! The review link is dead. Why is it dead? Because there's no review.

You see, I KNOW HOW TO ADD A LINK TO WHAT I'M SAYING!

dubvisions

Its in the Mag or something like that I think.. Not sure.

RIP lair.....so much hype for such a mediocre game....cows, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

folklore, heavenly sword, and uncharted are NEXT....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then all cows will understand why

Col. Fail wheres the link for gamepro review?

So what exactly is it your wanting to see, "oh sob sob, I can't beleive I bought a PS3 when I'm not even sure Lair will be AAA. Boo hoo whaaaa. I knew I should have gone with a system that creates mostly shooters and breaks down."

I didn't see anything from MS that interested me this holiday as I don't like shooters, and you know what? The world will keep turning after 2007 is over, what then?

If you can't create a thread with the intent of some kind of intelligent debate, really just leave it one of your smarter fellow Lemmings.

vegetattack15

Ms has a much more diverse library of games than PS3, matter of fact, isn't PS3 the console that is agressivly producing shooters?? its living and breathing on Killzone overhype.... I'm gonna be too busy playing Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssy, Mass Effect over the next year...

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

colmusterd28

3.75 is still a very good score. Do you not buy games that don't get AAA scores or something?

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

colmusterd28

Itz a Lie There is No Lair review on Gamepro the lemming made it up!!!, so far the only review Lair got is 9.0!! meaning a AAA buddy!

1: I won't take in consideration any reviews that are out more than 2 weeks before the game release date.
2 : We a re on gamespot and the only review we'll use on that site is gamespot's.
3 :there I only 2 sites Ipersonally trust and read and those are gamespot and IGN.
4 :Heavenly Sword is still hyped AAA and Lair is still hyped AA. That won't change.

If there's something that'll probably flop, you should take a better look atmass effect and bioshock, I'm not sure about those one....

Is GamePro GameSpot? Is Play magazine GameSpot? Answer to both is no, so they both mean squat on GameSpot's forums.SpruceCaboose

please read the rest of the original post before making yourself seem less intelligent.....

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Thought your Heavenly Sword demo thread would tell you not to do more of these threads.

And it is GamePro... I never trusted them since the days predating EGM.

colmusterd28

all my heavanly sword thread did was teach me that you guys can't answer a simple streightforward question... It's really the problem with a "tough question" thread... you all dance. Maybe 5 of the 25 people who comented in that thread answered the question... everyone else was asking for links? what link? you want me to link my own question? You still haven't answered wether after playing the demo if Heavanly Sword is still AAA meterial...? wanna try again?

All your thread showed was you were a blind fanboy following other fanboys bashing a game yall prolly never even played, and then you called it ownage. The funny thing was you were getting owned at every corner in that thread. About Lair, it wasn't hyped AAA it was hyped AA. So if it gets an 8 then it is right on it.

wrong.... no one owned me and you know it. I asked a question and you still can't answer it. Your burning inside because you were so dissapointed with that demo... you want to scream out AA!!!! don't be blinded by your fanboyism, let it go...

...as for Lair, If I had a nickle for every cow thread I read over the past 4 months hyping this game AAA and mentioning it in such company as Mass Effect, I could retire. Just because you all backpeddled right before it released dosent mean your old threads are thrown out... Backpeddling shows a lack of confidence and Lair, given the overhype, is a dissapointment...

exactly

we've had to endure cows boasting about lair for a full year and a half now

and now when the reviews come in, cows want to backpedal....not a good look

all that talk for a game that might not even get AA? its motorstorm all over again.

RIP lair.....so much hype for such a mediocre game....cows, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

folklore, heavenly sword, and uncharted are NEXT....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then all cows will understand why

JB730

RIP Halo 3, so much hype for such a mediocre game....lemmings, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

Mass Effect, Bioshock, and uuuuhhhh...what else do you have. Well whatever, ....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then alllemmings will understand why.

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

This is weird, Col. I go to GamePro.com. (that is the site you said, right?) I search for Lair. It pulls up Lair (PS3), so, of course, I click it. It then takes me to the Lair page, like it should. But the odd thing is.......... THERE"S NO REVIEW LINK!! The review link is dead. Why is it dead? Because there's no review.

You see, I KNOW HOW TO ADD A LINK TO WHAT I'M SAYING!

Hockey_Slayer

Its in the Mag or something like that I think.. Not sure.

Yeah. That's like the dork that comes back from spring break talking about this hot chick he met. We all new that dude didn't meet any chick. Nor one that could fit into the category of "hot."

If it was Gamepro's full review, they would have it online. Pretty simple.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

RIP lair.....so much hype for such a mediocre game....cows, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

folklore, heavenly sword, and uncharted are NEXT....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then all cows will understand why

vegetattack15

RIP Halo 3, so much hype for such a mediocre game....lemmings, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

Mass Effect, Bioshock, and uuuuhhhh...what else do you have. Well whatever, ....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then alllemmings will understand why.

halo 3, bioshock, and most likely mass effect will get AAA....deny that and you will be owned

while lair, HS, uncharted, and folklore are all going to flop

thats the difference here, cows are hyping mediocre games - while lemmings are hyping sure-fire AAA hits.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

CyanX73

3.75 is still a very good score. Do you not buy games that don't get AAA scores or something?

Not at 60 dollars a pop... I may pick one up in the bargain bin in a few years... 3.75=75 at GS...

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

CyanX73

3.75 is still a very good score. Do you not buy games that don't get AAA scores or something?

IMO, it's FAR to late to start trying to make the official hype AA for this game. Same thing happened with Motorstorm: When the early material came out, all the ps3 fans hyped it as a sure AAA, and than a few weeks before they get nervous and start trying to make AA statements in enormous fonts and bold lettering.

It's pretty sad actually.

Heavenly Sword, Uncharted,and most likely Lair will get AAA....deny that and you will be owned

while Halo 3, bioshock, and mass effect are all going to flop

thats the difference here,lems are hyping mediocre games - while cowss are hyping sure-fire AAA hits.

JB730

Attention: Lair was hyped AA!!

I repeat: Lair was hyped AA!!

CR00K

thank god. now you don't have to feel bad for yourself....

it still sucks if the game is bad dude... i wnated this game to be the promise it was. it won't

COL Fail, I can't find the review on Gamepro. Could you possibly post a link? CyanX73

I can give you a clue... go to your local news stand...

[QUOTE="CyanX73"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

colmusterd28

3.75 is still a very good score. Do you not buy games that don't get AAA scores or something?

Not at 60 dollars a pop... I may pick one up in the bargain bin in a few years... 3.75=75 at GS...

[QUOTE="vegetattack15"]

So what exactly is it your wanting to see, "oh sob sob, I can't beleive I bought a PS3 when I'm not even sure Lair will be AAA. Boo hoo whaaaa. I knew I should have gone with a system that creates mostly shooters and breaks down."

I didn't see anything from MS that interested me this holiday as I don't like shooters, and you know what? The world will keep turning after 2007 is over, what then?

If you can't create a thread with the intent of some kind of intelligent debate, really just leave it one of your smarter fellow Lemmings.

colmusterd28

Ms has a much more diverse library of games than PS3, matter of fact, isn't PS3 the console that is agressivly producing shooters?? its living and breathing on Killzone overhype.... I'm gonna be too busy playing Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssy, Mass Effect over the next year...

Icould care less about Killzone or MGS4. I bought my PS3 over 360 for4 reasons, and none of those are Lair.

1-Diversity, back in Feb. all I saw on 360 were FPS's, and I don't like them enough to warrant $400. I saw many different types of games to come out on PS3 though, so I went that direction.

2-System failures, even then I saw people complaining, and I didn't want to pi$$ away $400.

3-Backward compatability-sure there are a bunch of x-box games I would like to try, but I wouldn't be able to, this just seems like a cheap move by MS. Why would they not include backward compatability. Sure you can download games, for an annual fee plus the price of the game.

4-Blue-Ray- Cmon, even the most blind fanboy has to see Blue-Ray is winning the format war. Sure I don't need it now, but in a few years, yeah. Cool, already bought, money already spent. No need to buy it again.

All three systems have there perks, this thread is just a taunt to PS3 owners, with no other purpose than to stir up anger. You know what? I am going to buy Lair, and it's going to be great to fly around on a dragon and fight. Will it be AAA? I don't really care. It's going to be fun.

[QUOTE="CyanX73"]COL Fail, I can't find the review on Gamepro. Could you possibly post a link? colmusterd28

I can give you a clue... go to your local news stand...

I'll give you one........ There's a reason its not on their site........

[QUOTE="Hockey_Slayer"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

This is weird, Col. I go to GamePro.com. (that is the site you said, right?) I search for Lair. It pulls up Lair (PS3), so, of course, I click it. It then takes me to the Lair page, like it should. But the odd thing is.......... THERE"S NO REVIEW LINK!! The review link is dead. Why is it dead? Because there's no review.

You see, I KNOW HOW TO ADD A LINK TO WHAT I'M SAYING!

dubvisions

Its in the Mag or something like that I think.. Not sure.

Yeah. That's like the dork that comes back from spring break talking about this hot chick he met. We all new that dude didn't meet any chick. Nor one that could fit into the category of "hot."

If it was Gamepro's full review, they would have it online. Pretty simple.

Yea it could be false. I'm not sure. Thats why i'm not saying anything tell I see the review with my own eyes.

Gamepro didn'T reviewed it, stop loosing yourtime and go on their site, it isn't reviewed yet.

http://www.gamepro.com/sony/ps3/24655/info.shtml ---> STFU

[QUOTE="vegetattack15"][QUOTE="JB730"]

RIP lair.....so much hype for such a mediocre game....cows, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

folklore, heavenly sword, and uncharted are NEXT....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then all cows will understand why

JB730

RIP Halo 3, so much hype for such a mediocre game....lemmings, why do you keep doing this to yourselves?

Mass Effect, Bioshock, and uuuuhhhh...what else do you have. Well whatever, ....never once was i the least bit impressed by ANY of these games. when the gamespot scores come in, maybe then alllemmings will understand why.

halo 3, bioshock, and most likely mass effect will get AAA....deny that and you will be owned

while lair, HS, uncharted, and folklore are all going to flop

thats the difference here, cows are hyping mediocre games - while lemmings are hyping sure-fire AAA hits.

Owned is worst term I've ever heard, I will never use that term, as it would only demean myself. You know what, Mass Effect looks somewhat interesting, but the other games? FPS's have been done, done, and done again. Have fun if you like them, but I'll move on to something different.

Im not sure about Folklore yet, but Heavenly Sword and Uncharted will both be awesome. Can I say they will be AAA, no. Neither can you say all your beloved 360 games will be either, because they aren't even finished yet. Anything can happen nothing is guaranteed. Lair could be a AAA game for all we know, you'd be really embarrased then, wouldn't you?

Lair looks like fun, and that is the point of these games.

whos hyping Lair AAA???

btw Gamepro also gave the Darkness a 3.75/5.

yet it managed to score a 8.5 here.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Is GamePro GameSpot? Is Play magazine GameSpot? Answer to both is no, so they both mean squat on GameSpot's forums.colmusterd28

please read the rest of the original post before making yourself seem less intelligent.....

Your original post says that Lair is flopping because it got a 75% at GamePro (3.7/5). The other review that is up for the game is a 90% from Play magazine. I am saying, and we've gone over this in countless threads, that the only reviews that count on GameSpot's forums are the reviews from GameSpot. Until there is a GameSpot review that is less than a 7.0 (it was officially hyped AA as there was a hype thread for it), Lair is not a flop.

End of your thread.

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

colmusterd28

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

GamePro 3.75/5 That's not AAA...

And to dispell the "We'll wait to see how GS reviews it" and "we never said AAA" and "reviews are opinion" etc. etc. etc. You all overhyped this game and it will fall by the wayside, much like motorstorm and probably Killlzone in a few months. I know sony hasn't given you much to believe in over the past year but please don't fall victim to putting games like Lair in the same conversation as Mass Effect and BioShock and Halo3... It's just not smart.

Kinitari

It's in the magazine.......here are some other things that were said:

Pros: Gorgeous graphics, amazing orchestral soundtrack, dragon based action is fun.

Cons: The decision to use a SixAxis only control scheme hurts more than it helps.

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ON THE CONTROL SCHEME ISSUES:

"To be fair, the motion sensing is pretty accurate but requiring you to constantly move your hands around while fiddling with buttons over the course of a fairly long game is asking too much. It's unfortunate that the game relies so heavily on a gimmicky feature that no one has been able to get a true grasp of (pun intended)."

ON THE GOOD QUALITIES:

"At it's best, the dragon-based combat of Lair is pretty damn awesome. Soaring around majestically in the sky; raining hot fiery dragon-breath death upon your foes' heads; grappling with other dragons and clawing their eyes out; leaping onto an enemy dragon-rider's back and hacking at him with your weapon; swooping down onto the ground and rampaging around like Godzilla--there's no shortage of thrills to be had."

SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

"I should point out that we were playing an early review build and Factor 5 will probably make tweaks up to the moment the gold master goes off to the mastering lab, but the core gameply mechanics are already in place and there's no denying that it's flawed. I expect many fans will be disappointed thanks to all of the hype that's built up around the game, but the inevitable complaints about the control scheme will no doubt be warrented. Despite all this, Lair still manages to be a decent title that all PS3 owners should look into but you may want to reserve your true excitement for the day when the other hotly anticipated PS3 titles like Heavenly Sword arrive."

ON THE GROUND CONTROLS:

"The Sixaxis-only control scheme that plagues the game is noticably absent when you land your dragon on the ground as the analog sticks take over, making it easier to wreak havoc."

I'd take Lair over the whole 2007 lineup of Xbox360 games any day.NestleAquafina

That's either because you are a biased fanboy, or you have a "thing" for dragons

....both disgust me, especially the second one.