Lost Odyssey vs Final Fantasy, or: why is Square doing that?

About the "Don't fix it if it ain't broken speech".

Final Fantasy, while in name and general theme has been a different game every time. FF7 plays differently from FFX which plays differently from FFXII.

The game rewrites how the mechanics of leveling up, combat (Real time vs turn based vs... whatever you call FFXII) each game while although telling the same general tale, told through a different filter so to say.

That isn't to say an old school turn based fare isn't in order from time to time.

You shouldnt base your opinion solely on Gamespot review scores, especially for JRPGs. Most people know Final Fantasy games are going to be rated highly whether they deserve it or not.

TerroRizing

okay, (gamerankings/metacritic)

final fantasy 12- (91% / 92)

final fantasy 12 DS- (80.3% / 82)

final fantasy 11( ps2)-(85.3% / 85)

final fantasy x- (91.4% / 92)

final fantasy 7-(92.4% / 92)

final fantasy 8 -(89.8% / 90)

final fantasy 9-(93% / 94)

lost odyseey-(78.0% / 76) (ff devs)

eternal sonata-(79.4% / 79)

blue dragon -(77% / 79) (ff devs)

enchanted arms-(71.5% / 69)

as you can see now, it's not just gamespot that thinks final fantasy is a phenomenal series, and that 360 rpg's suck in general.

FINAL FANTASY XIII

• New setting.
• New battle system
• Kazushige Nojima writing the story.

Ding, ding, ding, FFXIII wins by default.

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]You shouldnt base your opinion solely on Gamespot review scores, especially for JRPGs. Most people know Final Fantasy games are going to be rated highly whether they deserve it or not. xH4VOK

Everyone has an excuse for when games get rated high.

Why is it when a game is rated poorly, almost everyone can agree that its because it was a poorly made game but when its rated good everyone throws excuses around.

Did any of you ever stop to think that maybe, the game is just great and that maybe you just don't happen to like it? Its always how they were rated high because of the series name, brand recognition, the devs have always produced great games so even with the "bad" ones they are given the benefit of the doubt.

FF gets rated high because it's a great series. If the ratings went off of series name FFIX would've gotten AAA and FFXI would've gotten AAA, but they didn't. I won't even bother arguing this though, because the cool kids always love to hate on whats great at the time so it'll never get through.

Just like Super Mario Sunshine is AAA, right... Or even better, Perfect Dark Zero... deny it all you want, its obviously true.

Final Fantasy, there just no competition between them. FF has been consistently AAA for years, LO debuted with a 7.5.....:lol:

FFXIII is giong to dominate Lost Flopyssey.

Also, is FFVII the earliest FF game you've played?

Final Fantasy, there just no competition between them. FF has been consistently AAA for years, LO debuted with a 7.5.....:lol:

Rhys555

Yet LO is actually better than recent FF games... Or should I bring up that Perfect Dark Zero > Killzone. haha

FFXIII is giong to dominate Lost Flopyssey.

Also, is FFVII the earliest FF game you've played?

randar23rhenn

Considering FFXIII doesnt even have to be that great to get AAA, Im sure it will review wise.

[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

FFXIII is giong to dominate Lost Flopyssey.

Also, is FFVII the earliest FF game you've played?

TerroRizing

Considering FFXIII doesnt even have to be that great to get AAA, Im sure it will review wise.

I agree, i'm only interested in FFXIII for its art-style and graphics, and the little shades of FFVIII that are present in some of the recent screenshots. Lost Odyssey on the other hand has me interested because of its story, characters and classical approach - and in the end, those are the most important things for me in a JRPG. Here's hoping FFXIII manages to restore some of the series' legendary storytelling.

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

FFXIII is giong to dominate Lost Flopyssey.

Also, is FFVII the earliest FF game you've played?

randar23rhenn

Considering FFXIII doesnt even have to be that great to get AAA, Im sure it will review wise.

The same way mario Sunshine got AAA and the same way Perfect Dark Zero got AAA, start paying attention to reviews. They are getting as bad as music reviews.

[QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

FFXIII is giong to dominate Lost Flopyssey.

Also, is FFVII the earliest FF game you've played?

TerroRizing

Considering FFXIII doesnt even have to be that great to get AAA, Im sure it will review wise.

The same way mario Sunshine got AAA and the same way Perfect Dark Zero got AAA, start paying attention to reviews. They are getting as bad as music reviews.

Sunshine didn't get AAA.

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="randar23rhenn"]

FFXIII is giong to dominate Lost Flopyssey.

Also, is FFVII the earliest FF game you've played?

Giant_Panda

Considering FFXIII doesnt even have to be that great to get AAA, Im sure it will review wise.

The same way mario Sunshine got AAA and the same way Perfect Dark Zero got AAA, start paying attention to reviews. They are getting as bad as music reviews.

Sunshine didn't get AAA.

It did most places.

It did most places.

TerroRizing

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]

It did most places.

Sony-ismy-Homey

I dont make the topics, I just discuss them. People complain x game is underated, Im just telling them not to worry about it and the reason why people shouldnt worry about review scores.

If you think LO is even going to hold a candle to FF13, I would assume you just starting JRPGin.HoldThePhone

We dont know this, Im definately going to buy FFXIII. Im just saying it could be mediocre, and get a higher score than 7.5. By the way, Lost Odyssey is an awesome game, which if nothing else holds a candle to any of the recent FF games.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]If you think LO is even going to hold a candle to FF13, I would assume you just starting JRPGin.TerroRizing

We dont know this, Im definately going to buy FFXIII. Im just saying it could be mediocre, and get a higher score than 7.5.

I know theres always a chance of a hyped game blowing it completly.

But every single main installment of Final Fantasy is AAA on gamerankings (excluding FF11:online).

To think that some traditional JRPG with a nice story and graphics will overcome the Final Fantasy franchise is pure fanboyism.

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

final fantasy 12 controlled very nicely

i am really stoked for 13, and already know it will be better than any rpg on the 360.

exiledsnake

How can you know this? Fanboy?

Because teh Final Fantasy beats all.:P

QUOTE FOAR TEH EPIC TRUTH!!

ignorant quote by both....just because the name is Final Fantasy dosnt mean all the games are goin to be epic. Half the team left,square is now squareenix....thoughs days of greatness are over,sure FF13 may look good but its not going to be the same,any true FF fan knows that.....im not going to blow my money out on a ps3....i'm happy with L.O. on 360,which kept all the JRPG elements, and has the original mastermind under its belt =)

If you think LO is even going to hold a candle to FF13, I would assume you just starting JRPGin.HoldThePhone

Strange... I was thinking the same thing.

lol FF13 will be the better game and yet not a one of you people have played it yet.

FACT: FF13=LO but because of the final fantasy name will outscore it.
Final fantasy hasn't been good or innovative for a long long time but it scores so high because of the name.

Yes more people are going to buy FF XII because its going to be the better game. You can quote me on that.Cedmln

uhhh that game is allready out. sure you don't want to revise your statement before i quote it?

Sorry but the game is not that great. It shouldnt be in the same sentence as Final Fantasy. The graphics started great, but man did the graphics shoot down hill. Sometimes the game doesnt look any better than FFX. Im still on Cd1 where you have to be careful not to be caught by those weird cameras, but i really dont see myself finishing this game. Its dull.RazMaTaz-1

Im on disc 4 and I have NO idea what you are talking about.

Funny Final Fantasy XIII isn't even out yet.

You should wait till you pass judgement and know how the battle system and story is gonna be like. They could change stuff and etc.

LO to me just didn't bring enough, although it is a decent game.

Why can I pass judgement? Its out already and I am currently borrowing my roommates 360 to play it. ( that and Bioshock :D)

your right make FF a stealth game LOL Norg

:lol:

I will not pass judgement over Final Fantasy XIII; despite the ridiculously high production values and the inevitable graphics wow, too little is known about the game(s) to say anything. However, I do not expect to like it, simply because Lost Odyssey is the most awesome thing ever: It is the spiritual successor of Final Fantasy VII and VIII. It offers everything that drove me into loving JRPGs; whereas FF X and every Squeenix game thereafer gradually derived from the formula in terms of innovation and appealing to the new market.

I really wanted to like FF XII, and to some extend I did - But only because I gave up on expecting to ever playing a JRPG as great as Xenogears or the psx FFs again.

LO taught me otherwise.

Lothenon

FFXIII > LO.Chutebox

LO is a decent game but compared to others in the genre, its just average at best.

I know this is an old thread, but still...

Lost Odyssey is an incredible game, and while I haven't played too many JRPG's this gen, it's still one of my favourite 360 games. It really made me feel like I was playing an old Final Fantasy game. Mainly FF9. I dunno why, seeing as they are nothing alike.

I know this is an old thread, but still...

Lost Odyssey is an incredible game, and while I haven't played too many JRPG's this gen, it's still one of my favourite 360 games. It really made me feel like I was playing an old Final Fantasy game. Mainly FF9. I dunno why, seeing as they are nothing alike.

SSJ_Nega

I think you meant to say FF6.

[QUOTE="SSJ_Nega"]

I know this is an old thread, but still...

Lost Odyssey is an incredible game, and while I haven't played too many JRPG's this gen, it's still one of my favourite 360 games. It really made me feel like I was playing an old Final Fantasy game. Mainly FF9. I dunno why, seeing as they are nothing alike.

Ziek-AAT

I think you meant to say FF6.

What? You know which game Lost Odyssey made him feel like he was playing?

Oh great, it didnt post the linkys.Shell_Kracker

[QUOTE="Ziek-AAT"]

[QUOTE="SSJ_Nega"]

I know this is an old thread, but still...

Lost Odyssey is an incredible game, and while I haven't played too many JRPG's this gen, it's still one of my favourite 360 games. It really made me feel like I was playing an old Final Fantasy game. Mainly FF9. I dunno why, seeing as they are nothing alike.

-Traveller-

I think you meant to say FF6.

What? You know which game Lost Odyssey made him feel like he was playing?

[QUOTE="-Traveller-"]

[QUOTE="Ziek-AAT"]

I think you meant to say FF6.

bingbaocao

What? You know which game Lost Odyssey made him feel like he was playing?

FF 7, 8 and 9 played very similarly in terms of the turn-based combat. Something about it must have reminded to other poster about FF9.

Nostalgia is a funny thing.

FINAL FANTASY XIII

• New setting.
• New battle system
• Kazushige Nojima writing the story.

Ding, ding, ding, FFXIII wins by default.

Sony-ismy-Homey

Scenario Writer for VII & VIII = Yes!

[QUOTE="Shell_Kracker"]Oh great, it didnt post the linkys.bingbaocao

I didn't like FFXII either, but the FFXIII battle system is looking like something quite different again and actually closer to the old style than FFXII. Lost Odyssey is a good game but for some reason it didn't feel as satisfying to me as FFVII and FFX, even though the voice acting in LO was better than FFX. The story and characters just didn't seem as convincing to me, for example the [spoiler] unexpected sudden romance and marriage between Jensen and Queen Ming [/spoiler] and I didn't like the villain much. I really liked the dreams Kaim had though.

I know people are going to flame because of this. I found Lost Odyssey to be very overrated. The battle system was bland. You would except more from a team that has members that worked on the Shadow Hearts series. While the main cast of characters were great the story still falls apart after disc 1. Also Gongora is one of the worse villains in video game history. To clear the record I'm not say LO is a bad game it is just overrated. I may have not jumped on the LO bandwagon but I do think LO is what Final Fantasy X should of been.

Sorry but the game is not that great. It shouldnt be in the same sentence as Final Fantasy. The graphics started great, but man did the graphics shoot down hill. Sometimes the game doesnt look any better than FFX. Im still on Cd1 where you have to be careful not to be caught by those weird cameras, but i really dont see myself finishing this game. Its dull.RazMaTaz-1

I know people are going to flame because of this. I found Lost Odyssey to be very overrated. The battle system was bland. You would except more from a team that has members that worked on the Shadow Hearts series. While the main cast of characters were great the story still falls apart after disc 1. Also Gongora is one of the worse villains in video game history. To clear the record I'm not say LO is a bad game it is just overrated. I may have not jumped on the LO bandwagon but I do think LO is what Final Fantasy X should of been.

jasonharris48