M$ gives me chocies!!! lol sad to be you...

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

shungokustasu

Wait... suddenly it confuses the people to buy "Home" "Premium" and "Professional" SKUs of an OS? I think there's five btw or do you mean the 360s?

Anyways... they're letting me have a free game this wed... :P err... btw I'm not an MS fanboy, just saying...

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

shungokustasu

OSX is great, Apple is definitely the choice of pro audio and video production, but I use my PC to play games, and Mac just doesn't deliver. Believe me, I'd like to avoid Vista at all costs, but I doubt it will be easy to run all the sweet upcoming games on Linux. I'll end up buying Vista :( Choice my hairy arse. 

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

shungokustasu

have fun playin halo 2 on mac 10, not a pc, oops! :o 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

htekemerald

Are consumer stupid? Well... 

So... are you going to game on that computer?foxhound_fox

So... are you going to game on that computer?foxhound_fox

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US? 

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

shungokustasu

Great but dont expect to play crisis, or any other games like that. If your a gamer a PC with windows is the way to go, well or linux lol.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?Verge_6

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

I don't know if I agree or disagree with the point you didn't make. whoisryanmack

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?Verge_6

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners. 

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

shungokustasu

Are consumer stupid? Well...

Or how does this effect the CONSUMER.  Think before you speak.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?... 

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

*blinks* I agree with the Vista part, but right now, there is hardly anything worth playing on the PS3. I'd think it is more sad to only have a PS3 for gaming at this point in time.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]I don't know if I agree or disagree with the point you didn't make. shungokustasu

The point was too many choices is a bad thing. Sorry, I should've said it in Barney style in my OP. I'll keep that in mind for people like you next time. 

So next time you want to buy a Snickers, you'll be fine with buying the entire case.  Why should they give you the option to buy only one anyhow? you're right, choice sucks, keep it simple I say.

Because a company that overcharges every product they make, and has pretty much come out with it's one idiotic brand of marketing "Simplicity" is so much better.

I'm sure Macs ads are REALLY getting to the public, after all, I hear Mac marketshare went from 3%.....

to 4.

MS IS DOOMED.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?D0013ER

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

I love the commercial of the Mac vs. PC "Choose A Vista". Just goes to show how their strategy of "choices" never works at all for the consumer. 3 SKUs that will only confuse the fanbase. Not only that, all your choices are risking a nice gift called the "Red ring of death". If you haven't seen the commercial the link is here http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/. I hope that Apple comes to the console business. It would be so much better.

 

PS: I'll be getting a Mac next paycheck, and finally never have to worry about M$ again. Not because Vista is bad (I actually like it), but OSX is just better.

shungokustasu

So you wont be gaming on a pc anymore LOL 

[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

A mistake that has currently given them domination in the OS and console market

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?Verge_6

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

*blinks* I agree with the Vista part, but right now, there is hardly anything worth playing on the PS3. I'd think it is more sad to only have a PS3 for gaming at this point in time.

I totally disagree. PS3 has good games on it now. I can say this because I have one. Your point is invalid because you don't even have a PS3 to make such claim. 

The point was too many choices is a bad thing. Sorry, I should've said it in Barney style in my OP. I'll keep that in mind for people like you next time.

shungokustasu

Here's the problem with this: even if Microsoft kept their offerings simple, you'd still hate the hell out of them.  I've gotten the point by now, you hate Microsoft.  All of it.  Every last part. Anything they've ever touched or had a hand in.  Any sentence with the word, "Microsoft" in it.  You hate the individual letters that spell MICROSOFT.  And that's okay, except for when you act like everyone else should feel the same way.

[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

Most communist don't think choices are good. We see how that worked out. Don't give me that China crap bla bla bla... still barely above a third world country for most off there people. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]I don't know if I agree or disagree with the point you didn't make. whoisryanmack

The point was too many choices is a bad thing. Sorry, I should've said it in Barney style in my OP. I'll keep that in mind for people like you next time.

So next time you want to buy a Snickers, you'll be fine with buying the entire case. Why should they give you the option to buy only one anyhow? you're right, choice sucks, keep it simple I say.

Too general with your analogy. Let's say the same pair of preferred snickers are in blue, red, and white.   

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

*blinks* I agree with the Vista part, but right now, there is hardly anything worth playing on the PS3. I'd think it is more sad to only have a PS3 for gaming at this point in time.

I totally disagree. PS3 has good games on it now. I can say this because I have one. Your point is invalid because you don't even have a PS3 to make such claim.

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact. 

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]I don't know if I agree or disagree with the point you didn't make. shungokustasu

The point was too many choices is a bad thing. Sorry, I should've said it in Barney style in my OP. I'll keep that in mind for people like you next time.

So next time you want to buy a Snickers, you'll be fine with buying the entire case. Why should they give you the option to buy only one anyhow? you're right, choice sucks, keep it simple I say.

Too general with your analogy. Let's say the same pair of preferred snickers are in blue, red, and white.

Oh no, no no no no no no no.  No more analogies.  You all suck at them...

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

*blinks* I agree with the Vista part, but right now, there is hardly anything worth playing on the PS3. I'd think it is more sad to only have a PS3 for gaming at this point in time.

I totally disagree. PS3 has good games on it now. I can say this because I have one. Your point is invalid because you don't even have a PS3 to make such claim.

I have a PS3, it sits there lonely in it's corner...holding a stack of papers down...from the wind of my xbox 360's fans playing C&C3. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?Verge_6

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

A mistake that has currently given them domination in the OS and console market

Domination in the console market? I know you have to be joking about that. Hope you know M$ doesn't have a stranglehold on the OS anymore. Linux and Apple is slowly chipping away from them. 

Choices are good when they're offered at the right time and for the right things.  There's no easy answer to it.

It's more an art then a science because there's a sweet spot that you have to hit depending on many many factors that evolve over time, forcing adjustments and sometimes drastic changes if the time calls for it.

Is MS doing the right thing?  For Vista?  Jury's still out on that one.

For Xbox 360?  Not sure, but I can see their logic behind it.

For Xbox Live?  I believe they've hit a sweet spot with online gaming. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]I don't know if I agree or disagree with the point you didn't make. D0013ER

The point was too many choices is a bad thing. Sorry, I should've said it in Barney style in my OP. I'll keep that in mind for people like you next time.

So next time you want to buy a Snickers, you'll be fine with buying the entire case. Why should they give you the option to buy only one anyhow? you're right, choice sucks, keep it simple I say.

Too general with your analogy. Let's say the same pair of preferred snickers are in blue, red, and white.

Oh no, no no no no no no no.  No more analogies.  You all suck at them...

When someone uses italics, you know they mean business.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

A mistake that has currently given them domination in the OS and console market

Domination in the console market? I know you have to be joking about that. Hope you know M$ doesn't have a stranglehold on the OS anymore. Linux and Apple is slowly chipping away from them.

I meant this-gen. And as for Apple and Linux 'slowly chipping away at them'...yeah, i've been hearing that for the last 6 years, and I'm STILL waiting to see these results. Tell me which OS 95% of computers come with?

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

The point was too many choices is a bad thing. Sorry, I should've said it in Barney style in my OP. I'll keep that in mind for people like you next time.

D0013ER

Here's the problem with this: even if Microsoft kept their offerings simple, you'd still hate the hell out of them. I've gotten the point by now, you hate Microsoft. All of it. Every last part. Anything they've ever touched or had a hand in. Any sentence with the word, "Microsoft" in it. You hate the individual letters that spell MICROSOFT. And that's okay, except for when you act like everyone else should feel the same way.

I made it clear. I hate Microsoft as a gaming company. I love Windows. I even have Vista. No, I don't want you to agree with me, just giving you something to think about. 

Oh no, no no no no no no no. No more analogies. You all suck at them...

whoisryanmack

When someone uses italics, you know they mean business.

Heh, sorry but I've been privy to entirely too many awkward analogies and extended metaphors here in system wars. 

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact.

Verge_6

D0013ER, did you here that? It's a fact that 360 has better games. lol, and you say I want people to agree with me?

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?Verge_6

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

A mistake that has currently given them domination in the OS and console market

Domination in the console market? I know you have to be joking about that. Hope you know M$ doesn't have a stranglehold on the OS anymore. Linux and Apple is slowly chipping away from them.

I meant this-gen. And as for Apple and Linux 'slowly chipping away at them'...yeah, i've been hearing that for the last 6 years, and I'm STILL waiting to see these results. Tell me which OS 95% of computers come with?

Correction! it's 85% 

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact.

shungokustasu

D0013ER, did you here that? It's a fact that 360 has better games. lol, and you say I want people to agree with me?

Just look at the scores and see for yourself. The 360 currently has a greater amount of high-scoring games than the PS3. 

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]

Oh no, no no no no no no no. No more analogies. You all suck at them...

D0013ER

When someone uses italics, you know they mean business.

Heh, sorry but I've been privy to entirely too many awkward analogies and extended metaphors here in system wars. 

It's cool. I don't even know what the thread is about really.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]So... are you going to game on that computer?shungokustasu

No, that's why I have a PS3. I gave up PC gaming a long time ago. I use my computer mostly for youtube, myspace, forums mostly.

And you're saying it's sad to be US?

Yes, for the 360 and Vista owners.

So you're segwaying this into an "eff 360" thread?...

No, Just touching on the "choices are good" debate. I think it's a stupid argument to say I have choices, so my system is better. The Mac commercial points out that choices is not always a good thing. M$ strategy is a big mistake.

A mistake that has currently given them domination in the OS and console market

Domination in the console market? I know you have to be joking about that. Hope you know M$ doesn't have a stranglehold on the OS anymore. Linux and Apple is slowly chipping away from them.

I meant this-gen. And as for Apple and Linux 'slowly chipping away at them'...yeah, i've been hearing that for the last 6 years, and I'm STILL waiting to see these results. Tell me which OS 95% of computers come with?

Correction! it's 85%

...*sigh* You do realize that is STILL more than a significant percentage that is in MS's favor? 

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact.

shungokustasu

D0013ER, did you here that? It's a fact that 360 has better games. lol, and you say I want people to agree with me?

Although this guy isn't doing much to help the image of non-fanboy 360 fans, what I mean is you have a tendency to come down extremely hard on anyone for not sharing your degree of contempt for Microsoft.  People who love Halo and are going to buy Halo 3 despite the flak are anything but ignorant.  360 owners aren't all chumps in the hands of MS, and you certainly shouldn't be feeling sorry for us (the normal fans, not lemmings).  That's the kind of remarks that echo with, "I hate Microsoft and you should too."

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact.

Verge_6

D0013ER, did you here that? It's a fact that 360 has better games. lol, and you say I want people to agree with me?

Just look at the scores and see for yourself. The 360 currently has a greater amount of high-scoring games than the PS3.

I have no problem with you thinking 360 is better than PS3. Just stop saying its a fact. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact.

D0013ER

D0013ER, did you here that? It's a fact that 360 has better games. lol, and you say I want people to agree with me?

Although this guy isn't doing much to help the image of non-fanboy 360 fans, what I mean is you have a tendency to come down extremely hard on anyone for not sharing your degree of contempt for Microsoft. People who love Halo and are going to buy Halo 3 despite the flak are anything but ignorant. 360 owners aren't all chumps in the hands of MS, and you certainly shouldn't be feeling sorry for us (the normal fans, not lemmings). That's the kind of remarks that echo with, "I hate Microsoft and you should too."

I'm hardly a fanboy. I have about two PS2's and a PSP sitting ten feet from me. If you look at the GS scores, the 360 currently has significantly more high scoring  games than the PS3. don't shoot the messenger.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Why would I want one when all the games I want to play currently are on the 360 and/or run better on it? And FYI, I'm getting one the day before MGS4 comes out. And you can say the PS3 has tons of great games now, but it does not have near as many as the 360, and that is a fact.

shungokustasu

D0013ER, did you here that? It's a fact that 360 has better games. lol, and you say I want people to agree with me?

Just look at the scores and see for yourself. The 360 currently has a greater amount of high-scoring games than the PS3.

I have no problem with you thinking 360 is better than PS3. Just stop saying its a fact.

I didn't say it was better. I said it had more worthwhile games than the PS3 does at this current point in time.