M$ Needs to Step Up or Get Out. We need Competition.

The only reason the Ps3 has online is due to XBL being so popular. How's home treating you? Oh yeah, it's a joke. You should be thankful for Microsoft, otherwise your online, as bad as it is, would be more like the Wii's.

SkyRaid

Then again, it's an Eddie thread. Where Eddie has persistence he lacks in critical thinking.

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Not really, you need competition, but they don't. MS is doing really well and not releasing new IP's because they don't have to. Kinect has caught storm and is moving lots of consoles on store shelves (same deal with casual games). Who is honestly going to sell their Xbox 360 along with all of their games this long into the life cycle? Most would keep the system and continue buying exclusive games and multiplats for it. Those who own a 360 are already satisfied with multiplats and probably don't want to make the jump to PS3, it's unnecessary. Why would Microsoft waste money on exclusive games when they don't need to? Only spend money that's worth spending, and if it isn't worth spending then save it!

XVision84

"Why would Microsoft waste money on exclusive games when they don't need to?"

That have to be the stupidest question I've ever seen in a while. Of course they need exclusives because the Xbox 360 is seriously lacking them, and did you notice how many Xbox 360 users have complained about the lack of exclusives?

The number of disgruntled 360 users should be enough to send Microsoft a message, and yet they are not doing anything.

I really dislike Microsoft.

You say this, and yet the 360 is selling more units than the PS3. As stupid as you may think that question is, it's the truth. The gamers can complain all they want, they're still going to buy multiplats, they're still going to buy Halo 4, and they're still going to pay for DLC such as Dawnguard. Microsoft makes their share out of those who already have 360's, and like I said, they're not going to sell their 360's anytime soon. Doing so would render a large portion of their gaming library useless.

You can dislike them all you want, but they're making money and that's all they care about.

So by competition what you really mean is perfect substitutes, or at least very close substitutes.

And by good for the industry you really mean divide the same one pie into halves leading to both companies going out of business.

Yep, that is good for us.

[QUOTE="SkyRaid"]

The only reason the Ps3 has online is due to XBL being so popular. How's home treating you? Oh yeah, it's a joke. You should be thankful for Microsoft, otherwise your online, as bad as it is, would be more like the Wii's.

Slashless

Then again, it's an Eddie thread. Where Eddie has persistence he lacks in critical thinking.

Competition where it matters, games. Nobody cares if they sell a ton of kinects and make a billion $ off Live fee's. If anything that is BAD competition, it gets other companies to keep their eye open on gimmicky marketable casual trash so they can make money rather then make some real games.

If anything M$ is more likely to get a company like Sony to SLOW DOWN on making games cause it's obviously fine money wise with multiplats and other sources of revenue. Plus it's not like Sony needs to even try to beat M$ in games, I could beat M$ in games and I don't have the first idea on how to make a game.

Think about it for a second, what is M$ bringing in terms of healthy competition to the industry that is a benefit to us gamers? Paid DLC? Live Fee's? Overpriced Proprietary Accessories? No Games? Overpriced overmarketed casual Kinect trash?

We need some fresh blood in the industry, someone who will actually scare Sony and turn that game making competition to 11.

Eddie-Vedder

So by competition what you really mean is perfect substitutes, or at least very close substitutes.

And by good for the industry you really mean divide the same one pie into halves leading to both companies going out of business.

Yep, that is good for us.

SUD123456

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Not really, you need competition, but they don't. MS is doing really well and not releasing new IP's because they don't have to. Kinect has caught storm and is moving lots of consoles on store shelves (same deal with casual games). Who is honestly going to sell their Xbox 360 along with all of their games this long into the life cycle? Most would keep the system and continue buying exclusive games and multiplats for it. Those who own a 360 are already satisfied with multiplats and probably don't want to make the jump to PS3, it's unnecessary. Why would Microsoft waste money on exclusive games when they don't need to? Only spend money that's worth spending, and if it isn't worth spending then save it!

XVision84

"Why would Microsoft waste money on exclusive games when they don't need to?"

That have to be the stupidest question I've ever seen in a while. Of course they need exclusives because the Xbox 360 is seriously lacking them, and did you notice how many Xbox 360 users have complained about the lack of exclusives?

The number of disgruntled 360 users should be enough to send Microsoft a message, and yet they are not doing anything.

I really dislike Microsoft.

You say this, and yet the 360 is selling more units than the PS3. As stupid as you may think that question is, it's the truth. The gamers can complain all they want, they're still going to buy multiplats, they're still going to buy Halo 4, and they're still going to pay for DLC such as Dawnguard. Microsoft makes their share out of those who already have 360's, and like I said, they're not going to sell their 360's anytime soon. Doing so would render a large portion of their gaming library useless.

You can dislike them all you want, but they're making money and that's all they care about.

My Xbox 360 library looks like a midget when compared with PS3. Honestly, in a plain sight, all the 360 got is Halo, Gears and Forza while the PS3 has the most variety and higher number of exclusives.

This is why it boggles my mind to think there are people who likes the Xbox 360, and even some who thinks it's better than PS3. I mean WTF man? Delusional is my answer, probably.

Microsoft had a great strategy in 2005 which is something that Sony would fear because it was all about GAMES and their core fanbase. This is the absolute reason why I got my 360 in 2007. What a mistake... Look at the 360 now... It's all about Kinect and useless apps. It just sits there collecting dust.

The real question is - to anybody who is buying a 360 right now: What the fvck is wrong with them?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

Competition where it matters, games. Nobody cares if they sell a ton of kinects and make a billion $ off Live fee's. If anything that is BAD competition, it gets other companies to keep their eye open on gimmicky marketable casual trash so they can make money rather then make some real games.

If anything M$ is more likely to get a company like Sony to SLOW DOWN on making games cause it's obviously fine money wise with multiplats and other sources of revenue. Plus it's not like Sony needs to even try to beat M$ in games, I could beat M$ in games and I don't have the first idea on how to make a game.

Think about it for a second, what is M$ bringing in terms of healthy competition to the industry that is a benefit to us gamers? Paid DLC? Live Fee's? Overpriced Proprietary Accessories? No Games? Overpriced overmarketed casual Kinect trash?

We need some fresh blood in the industry, someone who will actually scare Sony and turn that game making competition to 11.

Deevoshun

Sounds to me like MS is Sony's overlord and tell them what to do.

:lol: True s**t.

Sony fanboys like to blame Microsoft for starting the "casualization" of the gaming industry (and conveniently forget about Nintendo) but give Sony a free pass for basically doing the exact same thing. It just boggles the mind how silly these people are.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

So by competition what you really mean is perfect substitutes, or at least very close substitutes.

And by good for the industry you really mean divide the same one pie into halves leading to both companies going out of business.

Yep, that is good for us.

Eddie-Vedder

Meaningless words.

Riddle me this, if the HD twins released 50 more games this year than expected and they were all aimed at the same audience (say you) would that be good for the industry?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] People keep asking lems to do things that are impossible for them...kuraimen

Says the guy who mindlessly parades just about everything Sony related as the second coming.

And somehow, 360 fans are the "drones". Right.

I'm not actually so

And how dare people find value in Xbox Live Gold and decide to pay for it! Truly they are mindless drones indeed!

I don't care what MS does, if I don't like their product then I simply won't buy it. If other people want to waste their money on it/or find value in it then that's their business not mine.

Personally I'm trying to figure out if it's even worth buying a new 360 at this point. I'm NOT going to pay for XBL, I see no value in the service, I don't care about cross game chat or timed DLC or Twitter, none of that crap matters to me. So are Halo and Gears even worth owning without XBL?

Basically I'm trying to figure out what the 360 offers, and honestly I'm not seeing very much. The only worthwhile 360 exclusives are only good if you have XBL, if your not going to pay for it then what's the point of owning one?

360 games = garbage SP but good MP

PS3 games = Good SP and Good MP

But all this is just how I see things. I don't know what 360 offers me, multiplats I have on PS3, not paying for XBL so is there any point of buying Halo 4? Or Gears?

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

"Why would Microsoft waste money on exclusive games when they don't need to?"

That have to be the stupidest question I've ever seen in a while. Of course they need exclusives because the Xbox 360 is seriously lacking them, and did you notice how many Xbox 360 users have complained about the lack of exclusives?

The number of disgruntled 360 users should be enough to send Microsoft a message, and yet they are not doing anything.

I really dislike Microsoft.

Eddie-Vedder

You say this, and yet the 360 is selling more units than the PS3. As stupid as you may think that question is, it's the truth. The gamers can complain all they want, they're still going to buy multiplats, they're still going to buy Halo 4, and they're still going to pay for DLC such as Dawnguard. Microsoft makes their share out of those who already have 360's, and like I said, they're not going to sell their 360's anytime soon. Doing so would render a large portion of their gaming library useless.

You can dislike them all you want, but they're making money and that's all they care about.

I'm answering the problem this TC brings. People are angry at Microsoft for what they're doing, and I'm telling them straight up WHY they're doing it. They can complain all they like, those exclusives won't come until next gen when Microsoft HAS to invest money on games. It's a clear business strategy. I clearly do not work for Microsoft, although you can believe it if it makes you feel better, and I don't even own an Xbox 360. You can hate all you like, MS will keep making money because of their current business strategy. It works. I don't like it, and I don't like Microsoft, but I see why they're doing it. Clear? And please, next time you reply to a person on System Wars or attempt to strike up an argument, at least show some decency and maturity and refrain from calling them a moron. You never know, they just might be right.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

So by competition what you really mean is perfect substitutes, or at least very close substitutes.

And by good for the industry you really mean divide the same one pie into halves leading to both companies going out of business.

Yep, that is good for us.

SUD123456

Meaningless words.

Riddle me this, if the HD twins released 50 more games this year than expected and they were all aimed at the same audience (say you) would that be good for the industry?

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

"Why would Microsoft waste money on exclusive games when they don't need to?"

That have to be the stupidest question I've ever seen in a while. Of course they need exclusives because the Xbox 360 is seriously lacking them, and did you notice how many Xbox 360 users have complained about the lack of exclusives?

The number of disgruntled 360 users should be enough to send Microsoft a message, and yet they are not doing anything.

I really dislike Microsoft.

GamerwillzPS

You say this, and yet the 360 is selling more units than the PS3. As stupid as you may think that question is, it's the truth. The gamers can complain all they want, they're still going to buy multiplats, they're still going to buy Halo 4, and they're still going to pay for DLC such as Dawnguard. Microsoft makes their share out of those who already have 360's, and like I said, they're not going to sell their 360's anytime soon. Doing so would render a large portion of their gaming library useless.

You can dislike them all you want, but they're making money and that's all they care about.

My Xbox 360 library looks like a midget when compared with PS3. Honestly, in a plain sight, all the 360 got is Halo, Gears and Forza while the PS3 has the most variety and higher number of exclusives.

This is why it boggles my mind to think there are people who likes the Xbox 360, and even some who thinks it's better than PS3. I mean WTF man? Delusional is my answer, probably.

Microsoft had a great strategy in 2005 which is something that Sony would fear because it was all about GAMES and their core fanbase. This is the absolute reason why I got my 360 in 2007. What a mistake... Look at the 360 now... It's all about Kinect and useless apps. It just sits there collecting dust.

The real question is - to anybody who is buying a 360 right now: What the fvck is wrong with them?

Yeah, if Microsoft had continued their 2005 strategy it would've been better for us, heck I would've bought a 360 instead of a PS3 is they had kept it up. Well they didn't, and it's true it perplexes me how people can rightfully support Microsoft after being shafted like that. Lemmings just love to troll I guess :P.

Even though it's a harsh business strategy and it's bad for core gamers, it's still a rather smart one. It works really well, and Microsoft isn't going to change it anytime soon. I don't expect any meaningful E3 conferences or exclusives coming out of MS until the next xbox is released. I don't see why any informed core gamer would buy a 360 at this point, but I guess Microsoft just assumes that enough already have an xbox that moving on to the casual audience would substantially broaden their sales numbers and interest for the system.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

You say this, and yet the 360 is selling more units than the PS3. As stupid as you may think that question is, it's the truth. The gamers can complain all they want, they're still going to buy multiplats, they're still going to buy Halo 4, and they're still going to pay for DLC such as Dawnguard. Microsoft makes their share out of those who already have 360's, and like I said, they're not going to sell their 360's anytime soon. Doing so would render a large portion of their gaming library useless.

You can dislike them all you want, but they're making money and that's all they care about.

XVision84

I'm answering the problem this TC brings. People are angry at Microsoft for what they're doing, and I'm telling them straight up WHY they're doing it. They can complain all they like, those exclusives won't come until next gen when Microsoft HAS to invest money on games. It's a clear business strategy. I clearly do not work for Microsoft, although you can believe it if it makes you feel better, and I don't even own an Xbox 360. You can hate all you like, MS will keep making money because of their current business strategy. It works. I don't like it, and I don't like Microsoft, but I see why they're doing it. Clear? And please, next time you reply to a person on System Wars or attempt to strike up an argument, at least show some decency and maturity and refrain from calling them a moron. You never know, they just might be right.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] You're either a moron or a moron. Not exactly sure which. Everyone knows billion dollar corps want money. Everyone knows consumers want good products and services for good prices. Why are you using billion dollar corporations getting rich as a counter to consumers wanting good products and services for good prices. Possible answers, you actually work for these billion dollar corps and you're getting rich off these morons. Or. You're a moron.Eddie-Vedder

I'm answering the problem this TC brings. People are angry at Microsoft for what they're doing, and I'm telling them straight up WHY they're doing it. They can complain all they like, those exclusives won't come until next gen when Microsoft HAS to invest money on games. It's a clear business strategy. I clearly do not work for Microsoft, although you can believe it if it makes you feel better, and I don't even own an Xbox 360. You can hate all you like, MS will keep making money because of their current business strategy. It works. I don't like it, and I don't like Microsoft, but I see why they're doing it. Clear? And please, next time you reply to a person on System Wars or attempt to strike up an argument, at least show some decency and maturity and refrain from calling them a moron. You never know, they just might be right.

What you meant to say is MS are more greedy.

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] You're either a moron or a moron. Not exactly sure which. Everyone knows billion dollar corps want money. Everyone knows consumers want good products and services for good prices. Why are you using billion dollar corporations getting rich as a counter to consumers wanting good products and services for good prices. Possible answers, you actually work for these billion dollar corps and you're getting rich off these morons. Or. You're a moron.Eddie-Vedder

I'm answering the problem this TC brings. People are angry at Microsoft for what they're doing, and I'm telling them straight up WHY they're doing it. They can complain all they like, those exclusives won't come until next gen when Microsoft HAS to invest money on games. It's a clear business strategy. I clearly do not work for Microsoft, although you can believe it if it makes you feel better, and I don't even own an Xbox 360. You can hate all you like, MS will keep making money because of their current business strategy. It works. I don't like it, and I don't like Microsoft, but I see why they're doing it. Clear? And please, next time you reply to a person on System Wars or attempt to strike up an argument, at least show some decency and maturity and refrain from calling them a moron. You never know, they just might be right.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'd definitely trust Sony and Nintendo more than MS, especially with Hirai in charge now. The future looks bright for them, so hopefully they can make a financial turn around.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="XVision84"]

I'm answering the problem this TC brings. People are angry at Microsoft for what they're doing, and I'm telling them straight up WHY they're doing it. They can complain all they like, those exclusives won't come until next gen when Microsoft HAS to invest money on games. It's a clear business strategy. I clearly do not work for Microsoft, although you can believe it if it makes you feel better, and I don't even own an Xbox 360. You can hate all you like, MS will keep making money because of their current business strategy. It works. I don't like it, and I don't like Microsoft, but I see why they're doing it. Clear? And please, next time you reply to a person on System Wars or attempt to strike up an argument, at least show some decency and maturity and refrain from calling them a moron. You never know, they just might be right.

dream431ca

What you meant to say is MS are more greedy.

Yeah, especially those exclusive DLC deals, really annoying >.>

I hope this drought of new core games from them means they're planning big stuff for the next Xbox and maybe a strong launch lineup.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

So by competition what you really mean is perfect substitutes, or at least very close substitutes.

And by good for the industry you really mean divide the same one pie into halves leading to both companies going out of business.

Yep, that is good for us.

Eddie-Vedder

"WE Need Competition?" :lol:

"WE Need Competition?" :lol:

chilly-chill

I'm sorry but I have a hard time replying to what you said any other way. Everyone knows why M$ does what they do, that's the whole point of this thread. We know they are just suits in gaming looking to make money, that's the criticism. And yes Sony is looking ti make money as is Nintendo but it isn't the same, they actually have a vision and gaming purpose, they are gaming companies looking to make money, M$ comes off as just a company looking to make money. Eddie-Vedder

I agree with this completely, Microsoft just strike me as a company that don't care about gaming at all but are just using its popularity to get rich. Nintendo and Sony seem to want to push gaming forward and keep advancing while Microsoft just want to milk it for as much as its worth. Anyone who doesn't see this from Microsoft is not looking at it hard enough, there isn't a damn thing they won't charge you for which shows nothing but complete greed.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if for whatever reason gaming becomeconsiderably less popular than it is now that Microsoft would drop it like a bad habit and just move on.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

So by competition what you really mean is perfect substitutes, or at least very close substitutes.

And by good for the industry you really mean divide the same one pie into halves leading to both companies going out of business.

Yep, that is good for us.

a55a55inx

Exactly.

It's amazing how Microsoft and Sony can both go down the casual gaming road and yet Microsoft is the only one constantly crucified for it.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Healthy competition = competition that brings benefits to the gamer, games, features, services for good prices. Unhealthy competition = gimmicks, overpriced accessories and fees. What lems want = Their poor little Billion $ corp to make a few more billion so their CEO can buy a few more small islands. What cows want = Games. Eddie-Vedder

Meaningless words.

Riddle me this, if the HD twins released 50 more games this year than expected and they were all aimed at the same audience (say you) would that be good for the industry?

Console war. LMAO. As if that matters.

This is business. They need to make a profit. Your delusion is that you think that only customers wants count in a marketplace or in competition.

I asked you a very straightforward question and you have clearly demonstrated that you don't know jack about business, competition, the marketplace etc. If the HD twins dumped 50 more games on the market this year it would be a total financial disaster for them.

More games doesn't mean magically more sales to the same audience. That audience only has so much money and will only invest so much in gaming. Most people would still buy the same 5 or 10 or 15 games a year, only they would have more to choose from. The result is the same amount of money spent on games in the industry divided among a larger number of games, with higher amounts of costs. Meaning everyone loses money, or they have to charge us more $ per game. No matter how you cut it 50 more of the same games aimed at the samne audience this year is actually bad for the industry. And ultimately bad for consumers.

You simply do not get it. Healthy competition is not that nonsense that you posted. Healthy competition is when an industry keeps advancing because the market keeps growing, innovation occurs, and because the participants continue to make an adequate return. You can't grow the industry by offering more of the same games in general to the same audience in general.

More is not automatically better in competition, for either the producer or the consumer. Just ask GM pre bankruptcy. Plenty of cars to choose from. Pretty much none of them any good.

Bad topic is bad.

MS is competition, $ony would be otherwise second.

And nothing of value is lost.

What Eddie-Vedder said in the Microsoft looks to be banned thread

Somebody needs to bring up that chart showing M$ has more quality exclusives.

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Somebody needs to bring up that chart showing M$ has more quality exclusives.

soapman72

They need new IPs and stop milking Halo and Gears.

I dont know if anyone knows this, but just having Microsoft in the race this time around has made Sony honest. Had MS not been as strong as they have been this generation Sony could have just sat back and did nothing. Would we have seen the high powered system that Sony touted had MS not come around? No of course not, why should they? I mean hell their only competition would have been the Wii, so Sony could have just did what the Nintendo did and gone the underpowered route. A lot of you sound foolish and need to understand what competition really is.

Well it does have the crappiest exclusives, hey M$... TAKE A RISK!!!!needweed

[QUOTE="chilly-chill"]

"WE Need Competition?" :lol:

Eddie-Vedder

we--as in gamers, meaning all of us?

I dont know if anyone knows this, but just having Microsoft in the race this time around has made Sony honest. Had MS not been as strong as they have been this generation Sony could have just sat back and did nothing. Would we have seen the high powered system that Sony touted had MS not come around? No of course not, why should they? I mean hell their only competition would have been the Wii, so Sony could have just did what the Nintendo did and gone the underpowered route. A lot of you sound foolish and need to understand what competition really is.

xscrapzx

What you are saying makes 0 sense. You must have just thought Sony started making consoles this gen? Or you must have not known that sony completely dominated the past 2 generations and what you are suggesting couldn't have been any further from the truth. Going by the history of the company when Sony had leadership in the game industry what you are saying is complete BS.

I love how he dodges my question.

Where's your 360 eddie?

Instead of putting money to a new ip or using it to improve current ip's they buy exlusive timed dlc.

Cranler

I dont really see Lemmings complaining about exclusive timed DLC.

Also core games are still being made for the console from third party devs.

Cows keep ignoring this and think only exclusives (Or Sony's exclusives) matter.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] People keep asking lems to do things that are impossible for them...kuraimen

Says the guy who mindlessly parades just about everything Sony related as the second coming.

And somehow, 360 fans are the "drones". Right.

I love how he dodges my question.

Where's your 360 eddie?

sonic1564

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="chilly-chill"]

"WE Need Competition?" :lol:

casharmy

we--as in gamers, meaning all of us?

2 pages? Really Eddie? I could do a anti MS thread and get more posts than that.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

I dont know if anyone knows this, but just having Microsoft in the race this time around has made Sony honest. Had MS not been as strong as they have been this generation Sony could have just sat back and did nothing. Would we have seen the high powered system that Sony touted had MS not come around? No of course not, why should they? I mean hell their only competition would have been the Wii, so Sony could have just did what the Nintendo did and gone the underpowered route. A lot of you sound foolish and need to understand what competition really is.

What you are saying makes 0 sense. You must have just thought Sony started making consoles this gen? Or you must have not known that sony completely dominated the past 2 generations and what you are suggesting couldn't have been any further from the truth. Going by the history of the company when Sony had leadership in the game industry what you are saying is complete BS.

Somebody needs to bring up that chart showing M$ has more quality exclusives.

TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="sonic1564"]

I love how he dodges my question.

Where's your 360 eddie?

Eddie-Vedder

TC sucks.charizard1605

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="sonic1564"]

I love how he dodges my question.

Where's your 360 eddie?

clone01