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#1 acemasta21
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i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

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#2 SilverChimera
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i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

acemasta21
its because they lack first party support.
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#3 Riverwolf007
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don't fret so much whatever it is that you want will be out on the ps3 someday, look at fallout 3

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#4 Squall18
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However, look at where buying exclusives have gotten them. The 360 has definitely proven itself w/ multiplats.

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#5 CaseyWegner
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are you okay with other companies doing the same?

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#6 spliffstar12
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thats what companies are supposed to do. be mad at sony for not spending any money on exclusives (not like it matters the ps3 still has a great library)
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#7 nhh18
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MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

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#8 nhh18
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What bothers me is that they PAY for time exclusive of XBLA games. That is pathetic. No one buys a console to have castles crashers as a exclusive for a year.

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#9 acemasta21
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i have a 360 btw dont judge me by mu SIG.

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#10 johnnyblazed88
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alot of these MS publishes or pays for them to be made, isnt that what all the big companies do?

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#11 acemasta21
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What bothers me is that they PAY for time exclusive of XBLA games. That is pathetic. No one buys a console to have castles crashers as a exclusive for a year.

nhh18
exactly!
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#12 Flamestos
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MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

nhh18
Where did you see Sony paying for MGS4? And SE said FF XIV could possibly be coming to X-Box 360 in the future.
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#13 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

What bothers me is that they PAY for time exclusive of XBLA games. That is pathetic. No one buys a console to have castles crashers as a exclusive for a year.

acemasta21

exactly!

It is different though for japanese rpg, and that stuff. They want to expand there market in japan. XBLA no one is buying a console for it. It is the funniest thing to hear about a 2 week time exclusive for mvc 2. And that stuff. Anyone who disagrees is absoloutly insane.

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i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

acemasta21

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

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#15 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

Flamestos

Where did you see Sony paying for MGS4? And SE said FF XIV could possibly be coming to X-Box 360 in the future.

If they ported it to the xbox 360 it would have sold an extra 3 to 4 million. The only reason is that sony probably paid alot of money to lock up that game as an exclusive. FF14 same for a time exclusive most likely.

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i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

acemasta21
They did not pay for lost and damned, They gave them a loan which they have to repay though sales.
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#17 nhh18
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[QUOTE="acemasta21"]

i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

CaseyWegner

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 10 million dollars if the second one sells similarly (which is unlikely).

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#18 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="acemasta21"]

i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

nhh18

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 20 million dollars.

they're not done yet. people are still buying it and there's still the second expansion.

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#19 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="acemasta21"]

i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

nhh18

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 10 million dollars if the second one sells similarly (which is unlikely).

do you know what a loan is?
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#20 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

CaseyWegner

50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 20 million dollars.

they're not done yet. people are still buying it and there's still the second expansion.

It is basically done. It isn't like anyone now is going to purchase it 6 months later to buy the same 20 $ expansion pack.

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[QUOTE="Flamestos"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

Where did you see Sony paying for MGS4? And SE said FF XIV could possibly be coming to X-Box 360 in the future.

If they ported it to the xbox 360 it would have sold an extra 3 to 4 million. The only reason is that sony probably paid alot of money to lock up that game as an exclusive. FF14 same for a time exclusive most likely.

MGS4 was built for the PS3 and had alot of things that would've needed to be taken out or switched around. Kojima himself wanted it on the PS3 and insulted the 360 with his movie theather reference to the PS3. Even then with Blu-Ray Kojima was disappointed with how far he got with the PS3 so I think it's that he didn't want to downgrade his vision farther then he already did but putting it on the 360. Yes, Sony could have payed but there is no actual proof like with the GTA4 expansions. As for FF XIV, even though FF XI was later ported to the 360 (which some thought was out of place) it was originally only for PS2/PC just like XIV is now.
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#22 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 20 million dollars.

nhh18

they're not done yet. people are still buying it and there's still the second expansion.

It is basically done. It isn't like anyone now is going to purchase it 6 months later to buy the same 20 $ expansion pack.

why not? i bought it last weekend. people are still buying the main game.

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#23 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

spliffstar12

50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 10 million dollars if the second one sells similarly (which is unlikely).

do you know what a loan is?

Why do you have to be condescending. I know what a loan is. This isn't one (I think), they aren't paying any interest or any of that stuff. It is basically more of a settlement that 50 million $ for both gta 4 expansion packs exclusive and we get the profit 100% for the first 50 million dollars (probably 90% or 95%). There is no renagging for the money (I think). And it isn't going to make 50 million dollars. Flat out.

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#24 -Oath
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They need to make up for poor first party. Its a buisness, get over it.

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#25 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

they're not done yet. people are still buying it and there's still the second expansion.

CaseyWegner

It is basically done. It isn't like anyone now is going to purchase it 6 months later to buy the same 20 $ expansion pack.

why not? i bought it last weekend. people are still buying the main game.

It won't be able to break another 100,000 to 200,000 though for months possibly years. It is incredibly shift towards launch. Which is what I'm saying.

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#26 zacroxs
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how do you know the lost and damned sold a million?

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#27 nhh18
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how do you know the lost and damned sold a million?

zacroxs

take 2 announced it in their fiscal quarter report.

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#28 hayato_
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you mean the $50 million LOAN to rockstar to make the expansions?

spliffstar12

50 million dollar loan for an expansion that sold only 1 million. They basically gave away 10 million dollars if the second one sells similarly (which is unlikely).

do you know what a loan is?

You know. I wonder if interests occurs or stacks up on that 50 million so called "loan"?

Can anyone anwser that?

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MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

nhh18

You gotta link for that MGS4 claim? And FF14 isn't exclusive to the PS3 to begin with - it is releasing alongside a PC version as well, and the devs have stated they would like to bring it to the 360, but have a current impasse in negotiations with MS.

I'm not gonna bash MS on their strategy, because it has worked well for them, and with a dearth of first party developers, they really don't have a lot of options. It's a business, and if any of the three want to pay up, well that's business. But let's not just make up stuff.

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#30 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

santoron

You gotta link for that MGS4 claim? And FF14 isn't exclusive to the PS3 to begin with - it is releasing alongside a PC version as well, and the devs have stated they would like to bring it to the 360, but have a current impasse in negotiations with MS.

I'm not gonna bash MS on their strategy, because it has worked well for them, and with a dearth of first party developers, they really don't have a lot of options. It's a business, and if any of the three want to pay up, well that's business. But let's not just make up stuff.

I don't need a link. There would be no reason other than fanboyism to believe that there wasn't a deal between sony and konami to release mgs4 exclusive to ps3. They could have easily ported it (and even if there were graphical downgrades which would be probably at a bare minimum) it would have still made a ton of money. I mean was there a deal for gta san andreas to be exclusive to ps2 even if there wasn't an announcement. I know sony lopcked that exclusive up.

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I like how $ony paysmillions to make things exclusive just so the 360 would not have it. Wow $ony seriously.

40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

acemasta21

The 40 million was a loan.

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#32 acemasta21
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I like how $ony paysmillions to make things exclusive just so the 360 would not have it. Wow $ony seriously.

[QUOTE="acemasta21"]

40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

Chaos_HL21

The 40 million was a loan.

loan????care to explain that guy?!
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It's business, that's the way competition works, Sony does the same thing with Arkham Asylum Joker content and other things to, they want to invoke competition.
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[QUOTE="acemasta21"]

i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

SilverChimera

its because they lack first party support.

This^^ and not to mention its called a B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S for god sakes, u think they are just gonna sit there and wait till some one gives them something exclusive? :roll:

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#35 acemasta21
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="acemasta21"]

i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

killa4lyfe
its because they lack first party support.

This^^ and not to mention its called a B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S for god sakes, u think they are just gonna sit there and wait till some one gives them something exclusive? :rolls:

i thought buisness was about making money not losing it
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Cause Sony doesn't pay for exclusivity...
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#37 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

I like how $ony paysmillions to make things exclusive just so the 360 would not have it. Wow $ony seriously.

[QUOTE="acemasta21"]

40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

The 40 million was a loan.

oh so rockstar is in debt to MS?
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#38 lowe0
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It's called business. You think no other company has done it? And for the last time, MS didn't pay $50 million for GTA IV DLC. They gave R* an advance on $50 million. MS is getting paid back out of the money R* is making from the DLC.

oh so rockstar is in debt to MS?Rza_rectah

Yeah. That's usually what an "advance" means. :roll:
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]It is basically done. It isn't like anyone now is going to purchase it 6 months later to buy the same 20 $ expansion pack.

nhh18

why not? i bought it last weekend. people are still buying the main game.

It won't be able to break another 100,000 to 200,000 though for months possibly years. It is incredibly shift towards launch. Which is what I'm saying.

Halo 3 is still in the top 20 most of the time...

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#40 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

why not? i bought it last weekend. people are still buying the main game.

Threebabycows

It won't be able to break another 100,000 to 200,000 though for months possibly years. It is incredibly shift towards launch. Which is what I'm saying.

Halo 3 is still in the top 20 most of the time...

halo 3 is not an expansion pack that is easily lost in the xbl marketplace either. Do you honestly think that a casual gamer is going to go through the xbl marketplace to buy gta 4 lost and damned 6 months later. Or someone is going to buy a xbox 360 and halo 3 at a store?

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#41 santoron
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[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

nhh18

You gotta link for that MGS4 claim? And FF14 isn't exclusive to the PS3 to begin with - it is releasing alongside a PC version as well, and the devs have stated they would like to bring it to the 360, but have a current impasse in negotiations with MS.

I'm not gonna bash MS on their strategy, because it has worked well for them, and with a dearth of first party developers, they really don't have a lot of options. It's a business, and if any of the three want to pay up, well that's business. But let's not just make up stuff.

I don't need a link. There would be no reason other than fanboyism to believe that there wasn't a deal between sony and konami to release mgs4 exclusive to ps3. They could have easily ported it (and even if there were graphical downgrades which would be probably at a bare minimum) it would have still made a ton of money. I mean was there a deal for gta san andreas to be exclusive to ps2 even if there wasn't an announcement. I know sony lopcked that exclusive up.

Well, maybe you don't need a link to think that way, but without some sort of evidence to support your claim, then it is just that: Your opinion. Of course there are reasons other than a payment for why Kojima wanted to focus on one console. For example, developing on one system allows you to focus your dev team on one set of problems, and to exploit the strengths of one machine more thoroughly. Do I know that is the one reason MGS4 went exclusively to the PS3? Nope, and I don't claim it as a fact. But it has every bit as much credence as your theory.

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#42 Rza_rectah
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[QUOTE="lowe0"]

It's called business. You think no other company has done it? And for the last time, MS didn't pay $50 million for GTA IV DLC. They gave R* an advance on $50 million. MS is getting paid back out of the money R* is making from the DLC.

oh so rockstar is in debt to MS?Rza_rectah

Yeah. That's usually what an "advance" means. :roll:

i was asking him becasue maybe he didnt know what a loan was. No need to act all smirky.
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#43 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]It won't be able to break another 100,000 to 200,000 though for months possibly years. It is incredibly shift towards launch. Which is what I'm saying.

nhh18

Halo 3 is still in the top 20 most of the time...

halo 3 is not an expansion pack that is easily lost in the xbl marketplace either.

lost and damned and ballad of gay tony is coming out on a disc so it will sell a lot more
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[QUOTE="acemasta21"][QUOTE="killa4lyfe"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] its because they lack first party support.

This^^ and not to mention its called a B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S for god sakes, u think they are just gonna sit there and wait till some one gives them something exclusive? :rolls:

i thought buisness was about making money not losing it

yes in the short term u d think that ur losing way too much money but in the long term u will gain much more. It is much like an investment that later returns with friends to boot :D
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#45 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="santoron"]

You gotta link for that MGS4 claim? And FF14 isn't exclusive to the PS3 to begin with - it is releasing alongside a PC version as well, and the devs have stated they would like to bring it to the 360, but have a current impasse in negotiations with MS.

I'm not gonna bash MS on their strategy, because it has worked well for them, and with a dearth of first party developers, they really don't have a lot of options. It's a business, and if any of the three want to pay up, well that's business. But let's not just make up stuff.

santoron

I don't need a link. There would be no reason other than fanboyism to believe that there wasn't a deal between sony and konami to release mgs4 exclusive to ps3. They could have easily ported it (and even if there were graphical downgrades which would be probably at a bare minimum) it would have still made a ton of money. I mean was there a deal for gta san andreas to be exclusive to ps2 even if there wasn't an announcement. I know sony lopcked that exclusive up.

Well, maybe you don't need a link to think that way, but without some sort of evidence to support your claim, then it is just that: Your opinion. Of course there are reasons other than a payment for why Kojima wanted to focus on one console. For example, developing on one system allows you to focus your dev team on one set of problems, and to exploit the strengths of one machine more thoroughly. Do I know that is the one reason MGS4 went exclusively to the PS3? Nope, and I don't claim it as a fact. But it has every bit as much credence as your theory.

No. Sony probably paid for the television advertisements, some the development costs, among other things.

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#46 nhh18
Member since 2009 • 6538 Posts

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[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

Halo 3 is still in the top 20 most of the time...

spliffstar12

halo 3 is not an expansion pack that is easily lost in the xbl marketplace either.

lost and damned and ballad of gay tony is coming out on a disc so it will sell a lot more

lost and damned is already off shelves and it needs gta 4 to be compatible. Halo 3 doesn't. I mean honestly this debate is silly. He mentioned halo 3 as gta 4 lost and damned similar. I mean lost and damned is an expansion pack that sold 7 million less than halo 3 too.

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#47 spliffstar12
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[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="nhh18"]halo 3 is not an expansion pack that is easily lost in the xbl marketplace either.

nhh18

lost and damned and ballad of gay tony is coming out on a disc so it will sell a lot more

lost and damned is already off shelves.

lost and damned is gonna be sold with ballad of gay tony....
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#48 navyguy21
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i like how M$ pays millions to make things exclusive just so ps3 wont have it. by doing this they make no money 40 million for lost and damned wow M$ seriously........

acemasta21
Sony did the same thing last gen, how do you think they got those 20+ studios?? GTA?? all those other games that were never on Gamecube or Xbox?? So its just wrong when anybody but sony does it??
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#49 Birdy09
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[QUOTE="Flamestos"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

MGS4 was paid by sony. Same with ff14 most liekly.

nhh18

Where did you see Sony paying for MGS4? And SE said FF XIV could possibly be coming to X-Box 360 in the future.

If they ported it to the xbox 360 it would have sold an extra 3 to 4 million. The only reason is that sony probably paid alot of money to lock up that game as an exclusive. FF14 same for a time exclusive most likely.

Final Fantasy 14 is not an exclusive or a system seller though... this will be penetrating the PC market more than anything, but i guess if the Console version supports mouse and keyboard you will have a fighting chance of a "decent" experiance with it. I loved seeing this message back in the day using the FF11 translater: (Looking For Players) (Dungeon Name Here) (Xbox 360) (Playstation 2 User) (No Thanks) haha classic.
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#50 nhh18
Member since 2009 • 6538 Posts

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"] lost and damned and ballad of gay tony is coming out on a disc so it will sell a lot morespliffstar12

lost and damned is already off shelves.

lost and damned is gonna be sold with ballad of gay tony....

Sigh. I'm not going to bother. Microsoft made a 50 million $ investment. Gay tony, and lost and damned time exclusive for a year. Gay tony needs to sell 1.5 millionr or lost and damned needs to sell 500,000 and gay tony needs to sell 1 million. To make the 50 million dollars assuming that rockstar gets zero profit for the first 50 million dollarsr (which is unlikely and probabl not true). Expansion packs decline in sales (unless there is a sell-out rate 1:1 for gay ballad for the people who bought lost and damned which is not going to happen). So people should expect gay tony ballad to sell 800,000 k (which is probably going to be a case), and gta lost and damned at 1.2 million. Which means there is going to still be 10 million dollars left in rockstar pocekts.

I don't want to argue about this silly thing but here are some stats that you guys might like. The DLC of lost and damned sold 6:1 on dlc to shelves (which means it sold roughly 180,000-200,000 in shelves and 720,000-800,000 on dlc. There is no chance (I think) that microsoft will make any profit on this investment. And the gay tony, and lost and damned pack would be lucky to get 50,000 sold.